Is that what GT fans wanted? And the march to 5 million is on the back of clearance prices.
It is a fabulous failure, as was Driveclub. But because Poly is Japanese, and Sony has to have at least one racing game, they wont close them down.
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Should Sony try their hand on a more arcadeish Gran Turismo, Horizon style?
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Is that what GT fans wanted? And the march to 5 million is on the back of clearance prices.
It is a fabulous failure, as was Driveclub. But because Poly is Japanese, and Sony has to have at least one racing game, they wont close them down.
Well I think forza horizon is the best racing franchise not only today, but possibly ever (disregarding kart racers), so it couldn't hurt.
However I think polyphony has done a poor job since GT4, and I currently think forza motorsports is better.
Not sure I have a lot of confidence in polyphony doing as good as a job as Playground Games when I dont even think they do as good as they can with sim racing.
However I think polyphony has done a poor job since GT4, and I currently think forza motorsports is better.
Not sure I have a lot of confidence in polyphony doing as good as a job as Playground Games when I dont even think they do as good as they can with sim racing.
I'd say Polyphony need to focus of getting GT back to a good place before making a spin-off. Forza surpasses them at FM4 and haven't looked back. It doesn't help that Turn 10 has released like 3 games since GT6.
That is really hard to believe. The original GT was so interesting to me (as someone not really interested in racers at the time) but now Turn10 is just so much more efficient than Poly and regardless of whether a GT when it releases is better than any one Forza that recently released, it's not so much different in quality to justify the development time that Poly takes.
Forza has just overtaken GT completely now. I think Sony should look at another studio other than Poly if they want an arcade racer, although PlayGround Games probably won't be beat there if Sony goes open world anyway. Maybe a closed circuit focused arcade racer.
What does that make Forza Horizon 3, which sold less than half of what Gran Turismo 6 did and a little more than half of Sport?
Turn 10 announced this week that they aren't making Forza 8, and instead are working to improve Forza 7 which had lots of launch issues. The bi-annual release schedule finally caught up with them and I never felt like releasing so many games so quickly was ever a good thing.
You're saying Horizon 3 has only sold 2-3 million copies? I find that hard to believe.
7 isn't stellar I'll admit. I'd say 6 is the best one this gen. Tbf I never expected Forza 8 next year. I'd always assumed it'd be a launch title in 2020 for Nexbox.
Honest question, isn't it better to compare Forza Horizon 3 sales to Forza Horizon 2 and 1? Grab Turismo has always been a great sellers.
(Turn 10 and Playground also share many assets and use the same engine, so both games probably have lower development cost tbh, if your looking at it from a profit POV)
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/13/14599082/forza-horizon-3-sales
Those have been the only solid Forza figures Microsoft has released this gen, I believe.
Cheers. Maybe those types of numbers for racing games are why Sony is justified in their decsion to put resources elsewhere.
Well dang. I'd always thought it had at least topped 5 million. If anything it's a testament to GT's brand power that a bad GT does better than the best Forza. Which is another reason why Polyphony have to do better
GT having their own Horizon would be great tbh, but it will only be on the Playstation tho. Horizon is on PC now. Nonetheless I want it to happen. Pretty sure if it ever happens it won't be as good as Horizon, but I'll buy it to support the idea.
I mean I'm having a blast with Sport but its no GT7 for sure. I don't really think there's a tremendous rush to secure the racing market, and Forza still has a long way to go to build up the franchise to a power seller. But they'll get there eventually.
Here are the sales for Gran Turismo:
Gran Turismo Series Sales (as of September 30, 2015):
- Gran Turismo -- 10.85 million
- Gran Turismo 2 -- 9.37 million
- Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec -- 14.89 million
- Gran Turismo Concept Series -- 1.56 million
- Gran Turismo 4 Prologue -- 1.4 million
- Gran Turismo 4 -- 11.76 million
- Gran Turismo 5 Prologue -- 5.35 million
- Gran Turismo PSP -- 4.66 million
- Gran Turismo 5 -- 11.94 million
- Gran Turismo 6 -- 4.7 million
- Total -- 76.49 million
It's crazy popular. With that being said, I think Forza is selling okay. The article about Forza Horizon 3 is from the start of 2017.
In May of this year, the series crossed 80 million, so I think we can say GT Sport has sold 4 million? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...ost-successful-racing-franchise/#6f823e5b24f7
If GT Sport was a failure, I guess FH3 was as well, and we don't need another open-world racer on PS4. Oh well.
Sony has Driveclub, Motorstorm or Wipeout. Awesome stuff.
Not sure if any Horizon game (other than Zero Dawn) ever reached the 5M mark. Regarding Driveclub, even if it had a very troubled launch it sold over 2M copies in half a year, before releasing an important post launch content they initially promised -as I remember- for launch.
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Most big budget games are gaas. It is the heavily monetized, always online "Live" gsmes that cause angst.
Open world Gran Turismo set in Japan. Touge drifting, wangan racing, so much potential. Make it next gen to take crazy advantage of the power.
These are only the sales from 27th September to 31st of December 2016. So the first 100 days. Do you think they have only sold half a million copies in the 18 months since?
Lol wut?
Don't we have more racing games than ever atm?
How can they not be popular if Microsoft has one every year for like a decade?
They're popular. Maybe they have lost some popularity compared to a time in the past but that doesn't mean they aren't still popular
Who gives a shit? Do you get a cut of the sales or something?
On topic: Driveclub would have been a good start to something like that, unfortunately that won't be happening. I agree 100% that Sony has been WAY to soft on PD over the last decade. They know people will buy it though. Hell, GT7 will probably be out half way through the Ps5 lifecycle with only 10 tracks and 150 cars and even I'll still buy it...
Sony can't make good racing games anymore. They only good at making third person cinematic games.
After joke name GT sports, I have lost all faith in PD . They need some new creative person at PD. Get rid of Yamuchi (or whatever his name) or bring some new young talent who understands modern racing genre like PG games and T10 .
After joke name GT sports, I have lost all faith in PD . They need some new creative person at PD. Get rid of Yamuchi (or whatever his name) or bring some new young talent who understands modern racing genre like PG games and T10 .
15 years ago you had more rally videogames than racing games total today.
Lol failure because it's discounted. Fortnite must be an even larger failure since it's free.
I feel its weird to say that since GT Sport's car line-up and track line-up is so much better than Forza, not to mention the handling being both more realistic and better to configure in GTS than in any Forza game. The robust online is also leagues above Forza's offering it's like the one racing game where races are treated seriously due to the attention paid to regulations.
>track line up
>better
even the biggest gt sport fans admit its seriously lacking.
As for cars... maybe more detailed, but the numbers are heavily stacked in fm's favour.
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GT Sport had pretty big price cuts very early while FH3 stayed full price for a long time.
At GameStop FH3 is $50 while GT Sport is $40 despite coming out a year later. It's sale price has been less than $20.
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What makes you think they've underperformed? The financial side of gaming has changed radically since the PS2 days.
Copies sold X average selling price is important for non-microtransaction games, afaik.
Wow, who pissed you off today? I ask because OP is saying that Forza has been wildly successful whereas GT has been underperforming. So I want to know how the sales figures stack up. Sales should matter because that's going to dictate what Sony does with the franchise moving forward.
I would love to see it. However, I think the wall Sony and Poly would have to climb in order to release a title even comparable to Horizon is quite high. You'll probably always be on the back foot given how fast Playground pumps Horizon out while innovating on the formula, including the whole shared engine with Turn 10 which means constant iterations of its technology. I'm not even sure GT is in good enough a place to spin off a new series, too. Regardless, I hope they pursue it.
Once PixelOpus finish their graffiti game they should do an arcade racer. Some quick & dirty RR style game with not-so detailed car models so they can focus on frame rate.
Also - some people ITT really need to go back to GTS as it has tons of SP content, a simplified car modding system that can still give you the usual depth of GT games...in fact the only things that aren't there is the 'CARPG' and colllevtion elements.
The actual driving - which personally is why I buy driving games - is fucking sublime in both SP and MP.
Also - some people ITT really need to go back to GTS as it has tons of SP content, a simplified car modding system that can still give you the usual depth of GT games...in fact the only things that aren't there is the 'CARPG' and colllevtion elements.
The actual driving - which personally is why I buy driving games - is fucking sublime in both SP and MP.