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Deleted member 20603

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Oct 28, 2017
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Walter had plenty of opportunities to quit while he was ahead and salvage his life and relationships. One moral is don't gamble and expect to keep winning.
 

Tito

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Oct 28, 2017
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The moral is "quit while you're ahead."

He had made millions of dollars at some point and could have stopped his operations and taken his family to a different country.
The show should have also stopped at season 4.

Season 5's argument is completely stupid, the most careful bad guy ever leaves a notebook with evidence in his cover job's office.

So yeah, quit while you are ahead, although I'm sure the producers and actors earned a ton of money with that season with no consequences, that's that.
 

Akira86

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Oct 25, 2017
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also stop trying to make watching fast forwarded video a thing, you are not hacking your life goddammit youre being a weirdo
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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For me it was a nice depiction of how criminals aren't evil people and how a normal person can end up in a life of serious crime.
 

Resurgam

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Jun 23, 2018
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I'd go with pride is a useless emotion and can often harm you more then it helps. Fate didn't put Walter White into a bad spot he did that to himself. He had great talent, a good degree, and a string of jobs he managed to screw up.

Screwed up his ownership in his own company due to stupid pride and inferiority complex. From there he had great jobs at very prestigious labs (including when he met his wife) but he ends up teaching at a high school. You don't flame out that many times on accident. His never-ending need to be the biggest smartest guy in the room probably undermined all the other jobs he had. He didn't just go from company ownership to working at a job he was overqualified for. When his old friends offered him a way to correct his original mistake he shot it down.

BB wasn't the story of a good man who went bad it was the story of an egotist who finally found a way to indulge in all his negative traits.
 
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Cybersai

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Jan 8, 2018
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The show should have also stopped at season 4.

Season 5's argument is completely stupid, the most careful bad guy ever leaves a notebook with evidence in his cover job's office.

So yeah, quit while you are ahead, although I'm sure the producers and actors earned a ton of money with that season with no consequences, that's that.

If the show ended at Season 4, it would essentially be a happy ending for everyone. Mike was recovering from his gunshot wound, Walt was happy with his family, Jessie was happy, his girlfriend was still alive, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if the show would have remained as popular if Season 4 was the last season. I feel like Season 5 was the most powerful for obvious reasons.
 

duckroll

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Oct 25, 2017
11,225
Singapore
What does drug dealing have to do with Toxic masculinity? Like c'mon now, lol.
It wasn't the drugs that ruined everything, it was his need to feel like the big man of the household. The provider. The father. The husband. The MAN of the house, who everyone RESPECTS. It wasn't enough to make all the dirty money, he needed them to know, he needed to be ACKNOWLEDGED, and APPRECIATED. It wasn't enough to have an alias which he could use to do illegal activities and protect his personal life. He needed to people to know that it was HIM. It's not just pride. It's the internalized concept of what a MAN is and that to be WORTH something that is what he NEEDS to be. If you are finally seeing how that is toxic masculinity, YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT.
 

VectorPrime

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Apr 4, 2018
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Don't pay attention to him, he keeps repeating it because he knows it gets reactions, he's a troll. Quick search his post history with "1.5" and you'll see.
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Well it's a unique gimmick I'll give him that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Rape is not an action exclusive to males. He didn't go on the show being this super macho guy sleeping with hookers, cheating and telling his son "grab them by the pussy" or "boys don't cry" And to be clear. I don't know how some people defend that scene. Saying "She didn't say no" Skyler is terrified about her safety and her son. Because she knows what Walt has become.

You are reasoning at 1.5x speed bruh
 

House_Of_Lightning

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Oct 29, 2017
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The moral of the story is that everyone reads down eventually to various degrees. Walt, Skyler, Junior. All of them had their worst moments.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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He got his money and faced no consequences for his actions. It doesn't have any morals and the ending is bullshit.
 

crimsonECHIDNA

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If the show ended at Season 4, it would essentially be a happy ending for everyone. Mike was recovering from his gunshot wound, Walt was happy with his family, Jessie was happy, his girlfriend was still alive, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if the show would have remained as popular if Season 4 was the last season. I feel like Season 5 was the most powerful for obvious reasons.

The big thing with Season 5 was really showing the lengths Walt would go to continue being Heisenberg since it was his addiction. Right down to literally making a deal with a Nazi. I think it was necessary.
 
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Cybersai

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Jan 8, 2018
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I think it's ironic that Walt's son remained in the dark about everything until literally the very end, and even then barely knew what was really going on. I really expected him to get more involved in the story.

Jessie also never met Walt's son.
 

carlsojo

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Oct 28, 2017
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there's a whole scene when he goes to meet Gretchen and tells us to put it in a trust for his kids or a hitman will kill them. There's no reason to think they didn't do that though.

Yeah I remember but I can't imagine that money actually enters into his family's hands, or if it did they wouldn't get to keep it.

Jesse didn't get shit either.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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It has less to do with giving you a definitive answer to many of these questions as much as it's an exploration of drug use, gender norms, autonomy, economic anxiety, health care, etc...
 

Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sometimes people's true talents are never explored or revealed. Think about how many people struggle in dead-end jobs, at the mercy of an cold, uncaring system. Walt was wasting away teaching kids in high school when he could've been so much more.

Walt finally got to experience self-actualization before he died. He was at the top of his craft and made a ton of money while making some friends and sharing a few laughs along the way.

If that's not the American Dream, I'm not sure what is.
 

thediamondage

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Oct 25, 2017
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We destroy ourselves through our own sins such as pride, greed, envy, lust, etc. Walter White ultimately is judged a failure because of his overwhelming pride and the consequences of that pride, not because others destroyed him.
 

Chekhonte

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Oct 31, 2017
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There is no moral lesson to it. It's a show that appears to be playing off our sympathies and disgusts for the main characters.
 

CarpeDeezNutz

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Oct 27, 2017
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If Walter could cook some bomb ass meth how come he couldn't direct that genius to some other legal substance?
 

Ororo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Walter could've had a good life and maybe even gone back to a normal life if it hadn't been because of Jessie. He constantly messed things up and Walter's feeling like he needed to help him lead him to mess his plans up on more than one occasion.
 

Arkeband

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Nov 8, 2017
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The moral is that some people are naturally rotten, and circumstance and your environment can make that that underlying evil nature manifest.

It's fundamentally a character study through the nature vs. nurture lens.
 

RoninStrife

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well, OP. Walt Jnr gets his American muscle car in the end Im sure. All from the proceeds of crime. so. Their saying it pays to be a criminal. kinda sad.
 

plv251

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Oct 27, 2017
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You watched it on 1.5 speed... what the hell is wrong with you. Watch it properly!