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Oct 26, 2017
8,734
The show should have also stopped at season 4.

Season 5's argument is completely stupid, the most careful bad guy ever leaves a notebook with evidence in his cover job's office.

So yeah, quit while you are ahead, although I'm sure the producers and actors earned a ton of money with that season with no consequences, that's that.

You say this like Walt was absolutely perfect after season 4.

That entire season, he tried to play the Gus Fring figure and that led to problems like Hank being able to connect the blue meth distribution to Mike. And when Walt had the opportunity to break off the crew and put everything behind them, instead, he leveraged the increased value of the methylamine to Declan's business model and used them as distribution (all the while emotionally manipulating Jesse, this becomes important later on). And when Mike was compromised, he had Todd use Jack and his connections to kill off the remaining Gus-era workers that know about Walt and Jesse.

Furthermore, because Walt kept Jesse along, that resulted in Jesse connecting that Walt poisoned Brock with Lilly of the Valley (after Walt was so desperate to get rid of him), which in turn resulted in him snitching to Hank and Hank being able to connect everything (albeit circumstantial evidence) back to Walt. Additionally, Walt associating with Todd and the Nazis in pinch moments (like the prison killings) is what resulted in Hank and Gomez's death, and the shit that followed him after he changed his identity.

He was anything but "careful." He was sloppy, and that made a lot of sense because the entire point of season 5 was that Walt felt like a god after killing Gus Fring. That overinflated sense of self is what caused his downfall. So I don't see how it's out of the ordinary to think that Walt would leave a book that connects him to his meth empire given his mentality in season 5.
 

Rhaknar

Member
Oct 26, 2017
42,565
1.5x speed... why even mention that? Is that like something to be proud of?

I don't get this generation man.
 

Kain

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
7,603
You can melt a guy with chemicals. But be careful with the drum you put the guy in, it has to be the específic material or else you'll have to clean dead guy gloop.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,158
UK
This.
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Haha

Poor Americans.
 

Roy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,471
I watched all 5 seasons of Breaking Bad for the first time over this last week on 1.5x speed. It was a great show, I can't believe I didn't watch it till now. So many memorable and fantastic characters like Walter White, Jessie, Gustav, the angry police brother in law DEA agent, Mike, Saul, etc. But what is the moral of this series?

Basically:

1. Don't become a drug dealer or cook meth

2. Do not associate with other drug dealers or cartels since everyone you know will either likely die, be tortured, kill your loved ones, or the cops will take you all down

3. If you need money to provide for your family, just go about it like every normal person does and work your ass off in a legitimate manner

4. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.


Like, the entire show could have been avoided if Walter White just decided not to cook meth. All those other drug dealers would have still existed, but it'd have nothing to do with the protagonist or his story. Walter White just lived long enough to see himself become the villain.

Jessie better turn his life around though, hopefully.
The moral is the American Dream is a massive lie and in order to provide your family with ordinary means, you may have to carry out extraordinary suffering.
 

Deleted member 16908

Oct 27, 2017
9,377
Maybe if you'd watched it at normal speed you'd know.
 

Crimson-Death

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,516
Purgatory
The moral of the story is that the Eye of God is watching you and there is a butterfly effect chain of events to all your sinful actions, no matter how well-intentioned your original motive.
Do as you will, and you might just end up being responsible for taking out quite a bunch of criminals and their organizations, even a whole cartel and evil masterminds. On the cosmic side of things, it might balance out with you being the cause of the death of a bunch of innocent people on an airliner and a chartered plane and maybe a kid or two getting shot. And people still think the last seasons were too out there. No, they were awesome. The whole fucking show was awesome.
 
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adrem007

Banned
Nov 26, 2017
2,679
One of the few shows I actually get watching on 1.5 speed. Especially first two seasons, but in general the whole thing is slow as fuck and carried by brilliant supporting cast. Mike, Saul, Gus are awesome. Walt sucks from day one and his arc of becoming bad is boring, because he is an asshole from day one.

Now Better Call Saul, that's something worth talking about
 

Felt

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,210
That 1.5x speed part just makes me hate your guts OP. Watching a review or how-to video at 1.5x, but watching art/film sped up? Do you eat at 1.5x? Do you have sex at 1.5x?? Do you drive your car 1.5x the speed limit????

Anyway, I personally thought the show was hot garbage. The moral of the story is that if you make every worst decision in your life to maximize drama, then your life might be a decent television series. Because holy the shit does Walt know how to downward spiral his life into oblivion after getting a PhD.
 

bawjaws

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,582
One of the few shows I actually get watching on 1.5 speed. Especially first two seasons, but in general the whole thing is slow as fuck and carried by brilliant supporting cast. Mike, Saul, Gus are awesome. Walt sucks from day one and his arc of becoming bad is boring, because he is an asshole from day one.

Now Better Call Saul, that's something worth talking about
Sometimes, pacing things slowly gives everything room to breathe and gives the viewer time to absorb everything. This obsession with fast-paced or constant action and forward movement is unfortunate.

Watching BB at 1.5x speed for fuck's sake.
 

Vex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,213
Unpopular opinion: I just didnt like that his wife was trippin like that. I need a wifey that will ride or die with me on these streets.
 

Link the Hero

Member
Jul 5, 2018
616


I don't get these claims that Breaking Bad would have ended immediately if the US healthcare weren't that bad. Walter White primarily starts cooking meth to get money for his family after his death. Even if he got a treatment for free he would probably die after a few years. His motivation is not to be able to pay for the treatment. He even doesn't want a treatment in the beginning because of its effects on his physical state.
 

Tito

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,030
You say this like Walt was absolutely perfect after season 4.

That entire season, he tried to play the Gus Fring figure and that led to problems like Hank being able to connect the blue meth distribution to Mike. And when Walt had the opportunity to break off the crew and put everything behind them, instead, he leveraged the increased value of the methylamine to Declan's business model and used them as distribution (all the while emotionally manipulating Jesse, this becomes important later on). And when Mike was compromised, he had Todd use Jack and his connections to kill off the remaining Gus-era workers that know about Walt and Jesse.

Furthermore, because Walt kept Jesse along, that resulted in Jesse connecting that Walt poisoned Brock with Lilly of the Valley (after Walt was so desperate to get rid of him), which in turn resulted in him snitching to Hank and Hank being able to connect everything (albeit circumstantial evidence) back to Walt. Additionally, Walt associating with Todd and the Nazis in pinch moments (like the prison killings) is what resulted in Hank and Gomez's death, and the shit that followed him after he changed his identity.

He was anything but "careful." He was sloppy, and that made a lot of sense because the entire point of season 5 was that Walt felt like a god after killing Gus Fring. That overinflated sense of self is what caused his downfall. So I don't see how it's out of the ordinary to think that Walt would leave a book that connects him to his meth empire given his mentality in season 5.
I think you misunderstood my post.

I'm referring that the trigger of season 5 is the information of Gus computer in his office at the restaurant.

What I say is that it is highly out of character of Gus to leave evidence like that lying around, when he was extremely careful.

Everything in that season is consequence of that act of carelessness.
 

uncelestial

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,060
San Francisco, CA, USA
All of the shit Walter is dealt with (sans cancer) is because he feels like he needs to be the breadwinner, to be the ideal head of the family.

Really, if you think the show's point of view is "how sad Walt followed the path of toxic masculinity" then I can't help you. It was far more into how "badass" everything was, from my read. But hey, different takes are fine.
 

uncelestial

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,060
San Francisco, CA, USA
This is grossly undervaluing BB. You ever seen Taxi Driver? It's not that deep of a movie. It's pretty much a thrill ride. It ends with a shootout vs pimps for fuck's sake.
Comparing BB to Taxi Driver is pretty off. There is no commentary on society with BB, it's not a neo-noir genre loveletter, there's no psychological intrigue that makes the ending ambiguous/a possible fantasy, no statement on the decline of an environment and its link to the decline of a person, and in fact if you want it from the horse's mouth Vince Gilligan simply said that the larger lesson of Breaking Bad is "actions have consequences." Deep.
 

GeoNeo

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,447
Do not fear the danger...become it.

Should have gotten rid of his family and that fat cop brother in-law.
 

Mendrox

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
9,439
1.5x speed... why even mention that? Is that like something to be proud of?

I don't get this generation man.

? Nothing to be proud of. Some people just watch some series a little faster cause they are slow as shit. I can see his point although 1.5 sounds a bit stupid and 1.25 or even 1.125 would be better.

But what is not there to get about this? Some people want to save time. Maybe he enjoys watching series like this and doesn't mind? Is that a generation problem? No. It's his problem, because he tries to cram as much entertainment in a day as he can and that is his right to do.
 

ZeoVGM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
76,170
Providence, RI
If i repeat it again Ill be banned for spamming.

I probably didnt word that right. but im trying to say that walter tried to sacrifice himself for the sake of his family by dealing meth, but it ended up tearing his family apart and killing those he loved and cared for

What you're saying is simply false. He did not "try to sacrifice himself." He himself made it clear in the final episode that he did it for himself.
 

KomandaHeck

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,353
Learn how to relate to your internal delusions of grandiosity in a healthy and mature way or shit be fucked, yo.
 

Deleted member 5596

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
7,747
Power corrupts. Walter was always looked down and once he started being respected and feared he couldn't stop, he needed to demonstrate he was smarter and powerful than the rest.
 

Alice

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
5,867
Why do people find it so strange I watch shows/movies on 1.5x speed? You get done in almost half the time, and if you're marathoning a show like I was (I watched a few eps a day, so at 1.5x speed I felt like I cut the runtime in half), I was able to watch all 5 seasons is just one week. Now I have free time to move on to the next show or movie I want to watch, instead of being stuck on one thing.

I wish 1.5x speed was invented in the early 2000's, I didn't discover it till the 2010's.

This explains so much about your opinions on films that it's not even funny anymore.
 
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