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Ant-Man and the Wasp |OT| It takes two to make a thing go right (Unmarked Spoilers)

luca

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So I assume there must be a reason Scott doesn't use the regulator in his suit to get out of the Quantum Realm. I'm thinking either it doesn't work because it's a prototype suit, and as we've seen it has trouble with the whole shrinking/growing thing. Or he hears voices that leads him through a time vortex and thus ending up in
2012 at the Battle of New York.
Is that what we are thinking?

Also, do you reckon we'll see more of Janet in the future? I really need to see her in her own red Wasp suit fighting with what looked like a pretty sweet sword on her back?
 
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It kind of sucks this whole movie builds up the Wasp and then she's likely going to be shelved for Avengers 4. It was a super positive movie with an omega happy ending, but I didn't like how aside from Scott, none of the characters had any growth or change in the movie, especially Hank who basically didn't get any repercussions from being an egotistical curmudgeon.
 
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offcast said:
It kind of sucks this whole movie builds up the Wasp and then she's likely going to be shelved for Avengers 4. It was a super positive movie with an omega happy ending, but I didn't like how aside from Scott, none of the characters had any growth or change in the movie, especially Hank who basically didn't get any repercussions from being an egotistical curmudgeon.
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That's kinda Hank Pym in a nutshell really.

Or Mr. Fantastic.

Or Stark.

Really alot of Superheroes.
 
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Pachimari said:
So I assume there must be a reason Scott doesn't use the regulator in his suit to get out of the Quantum Realm. I'm thinking either it doesn't work because it's a prototype suit, and as we've seen it has trouble with the whole shrinking/growing thing. Or he hears voices that leads him through a time vortex and thus ending up in
2012 at the Battle of New York.
Is that what we are thinking?

Also, do you reckon we'll see more of Janet in the future? I really need to see her in her own red Wasp suit fighting with what looked like a pretty sweet sword on her back?
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Just the opposite, I believe

He ends up 5 years into the future.
 
zulux21

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Fretty fun movie, as entertaining as the first one. I do think the actions scenes are better in the first movie.

It's a convenient way for Scott to avoid being dusted. I think ghost will get him out. Janet is a huge tease.


You need to watch Infinity War first.
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thanks for the response. guess that means I will need to bail on this thread for a while then :P
 
luca

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zulux21 said:
thanks for the response. guess that means I will need to bail on this thread for a while then :P
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I don't agree with what he says.

You can watch Ant-Man and the Wasp perfectly fine without having seen Infinity War. Just make sure to skip the mid credits scene or else you'll get spoiled on Infinity War. But Ant-Man and the Wasp is pretty much standalone.
 
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Pachimari said:
I don't agree with what he says.

You can watch Ant-Man and the Wasp perfectly fine without having seen Infinity War. Just make sure to skip the mid credits scene or else you'll get spoiled on Infinity War. But Ant-Man and the Wasp is pretty much standalone.
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It's actually more required viewing if you watched IW already and less the other way around.
 
luca

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Also someone tell me the post credits scene and how this relates to infinity war please.
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It's already been covered in this thread.

In the mid-credits scene, the Pym family turns to dust because of the snap in Infinity War. And the other stuff with Ant-Man in the Quantum Realm leads directly into Avengers 4.

Also, I really think Marvel should cut down on their post credits scenes and just have one. I'm getting tired of those post credits scenes that just makes fun.
 
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Pachimari said:
It's already been covered in this thread.

In the mid-credits scene, the Pym family turns to dust because of the snap in Infinity War. And the other stuff with Ant-Man in the Quantum Realm leads directly into Avengers 4.

Also, I really think Marvel should cut down on their post credits scenes and just have one. I'm getting tired of those post credits scenes that just makes fun.
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The second one shows the aftermath of the snap though. The emergency broadcast on the TV and the empty SF streets.
 
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Pachimari said:
Just finished the movie. I don't know what to think. First and foremost, I had expected more from that flashback scene in the 70s and thought "that's it?." The second act was slow and pretty much boring. And the third act didn't really have a high. I'm fine with no big villain fight, that's nice, but there wasn't much else to substitute that. The mid credits scene was as expected too. I had really hoped for some Janet in her Wasp costume, and I would have loved seeing her battle with that sword-like thing she had on her.

The movie did have highs. I liked the general feeling they went for when Scott was together with Cassie. And Cassie was a break out star in her own way. Really cool to see the dynamic they had together, and she's just really sweet. I love this family theme they got going throughout the whole movie.

The villain, Ghost, was alright. I liked her motivation and background. But thought there were too many players out there wanting Pym's lab. Sonny Burch could have been cut out.

I liked all the action, but they had pretty much shown it all off in the trailers. I want them to get more creative with the size-changing. I really feel like they haven't hit the highest gear here.

The worst thing about the movie is when all these characters get scientific and uses all these complicated quantum words and explanations. That's when I tune out.

I loved when Scott was at the school. That was funny. Loved when they were out in San Francisco. Loved it whenever Luis and Johnny Woo were on. The best thing was when we saw these heroes from the perspective of the citizens. Like when they're on the ferry and they think this whale is coming. Or when he is on this truck going down the road.

Dunno what my overall feeling is just yet. But as much as I love the characters of Ant-Man and the Wasp, I'm thinking it was probably the weakest of the Phase 3 movies.

I really want them to go bigger with Ant-Man 3. They need to hit that gear and go all crazy with the creativeness.
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I mostly agree with you especially about Burch. Really not sure how that passed through multiple writers because it just seems like a comedic side-act that stretches the whole movie.

Wrote up my thoughts for my site if anyone wants to see it all
http://nerdsontherocks.com/7-7-review-ant-man-wasp/
 
luca

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I mostly agree with you especially about Burch. Really not sure how that passed through multiple writers because it just seems like a comedic side-act that stretches the whole movie.

Wrote up my thoughts for my site if anyone wants to see it all
http://nerdsontherocks.com/7-7-review-ant-man-wasp/
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Read your article. Forgot about him retrieving the old suit at Cassie's school. Why the hell didn't he use that instead of the new suit with all its troubles.
 
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I really think Cassie was one of the best parts of the movie. Just the way, it frames the beginning as some heist that Scott is on, but then Cassie appears in the spotlight and it's just so sweet how it's framed. And she's just so positive and wanting to fight alongside her dad, and how she talks about him needing a partner. And Scott thinks she's talking about Hope but then he asks "who did you imply?" And she says "me." Was way too cute. It was also a wild ride Scott had built at home with a rollercoaster leading all the way outside. That was cool, and it really shows how much Cassie means to Scott.

Those were the moments I really loved. When it was light-hearted and just pure fun. The way Hope and Hank treats Scott like a little kid when he comes running in this oversized raincoat.

I think this film showcased the perspective of the citizens the best of any MCU film. On many occasions I've wished that the films would showcase the action more from the everyday man, and that's what Ant-Man and the Wasp does best.

About the third act, it just sucks a little, how the payoff wasn't that big. I mean, we've all expected them to find Janet and her coming out from there. But that's all we got. There's really no big payoff at all. Hank going into the Quantum Realm was cool and beautiful, and kind of suspenseful, but it all really just came down to them saving Janet. It kind of felt like a filler episode in a show, where there's bigger implications for the future.

So Janet can stabilize Ava because she got these quantum particles in her? See that's interesting and makes me wanna see much more of her. We got that family reunion, but that was expected, and I really wish we had gotten more of Janet. I wanted to see more of her capabilities. How the Quantum Realm may have changed her psychologically and I really just missed an action sequence or two with her.

That's the thing with this movie. It has made me wanting more. A lot more. Cause it didn't give it to me during these two hours.
 
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Pachimari said:
So Janet can stabilize Ava because she got these quantum particles in her? See that's interesting and makes me wanna see much more of her. We got that family reunion, but that was expected, and I really wish we had gotten more of Janet. I wanted to see more of her capabilities. How the Quantum Realm may have changed her psychologically and I really just missed an action sequence or two with her.
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I think Janet is a huge clue as to how Carol Danvers will get her powers in the MCU. I think they're going to come from the Quantum Realm somehow.
 
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ManaByte said:
I think Janet is a huge clue as to how Carol Danvers will get her powers in the MCU. I think they're going to come from the Quantum Realm somehow.
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I can't stop speculating about Janet, the Quantum Realm and the larger ramifications of the MCU. This movie sets up many interesting things. I can't wait for it to hit digital and Blu-ray so people can freeze it frame by frame and find stuff in the Quantum Realm, kind of like how we discovered Janet in the realm in the first Ant-Man.

So you think they're gonna rewrite Carol's origin entirely? And instead of coming into contact with Mar-Vell, she'll get her powers from the Quantum Realm? That's interesting too!
 
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ManaByte said:
Feige already said they're changing the origin since the original is too similar to Hal Jordan's.
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Yeah that's right. I just never thought about how the Quantum Realm could play into that though. That's super interesting.

I think I need to sleep on this movie. I feel like it's gonna grow a lot on me with time. Because there's parts I really love about it. It may be the weakest of Phase 3 to me but it got so much HEART and I love it for that.
 
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So did Janet stabilize Ava? I take it she wasn't healed, since Scott had to go back into the Quantum Realm to get some healing quantum juice for her, which she will have to use regularly?
 
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Is the cost of de aging effect getting cheaper for disney? Seems they do it a lot more this time for multiple character. Hank, Janet, not sure about Bill Foster flashback scene.

And they look good too. I don't know much about cg, but I didn't feel weirded out during Janet flashback scene.
 
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"It is truth serum!"

The whole thing cracks out the whole theater.
 
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Just got back from seeing it, I absolutely adore the relationship between Scott and Cassie. 3 things I took from it are Janet's mention of her new powers being part of evolution, Quantum Realm energy being the catalyst in triggering the X-Gene? Then the comment about the time vortex(?) (I forgot what word was actually used) leading to time-travel shenanigans in Avengers 4..and Scott was collecting energy for Ghost, so he'll bring that with him and we get X-Genes activating in 2012.

The third thing is just my imagination, but if Scott goes back in time there's so much they can change. He tells Cap that Bucky is alive and they rescue him.. Winter Soldier never happened, Fury is made aware of Pierce and weeds the Hydra agents out of SHIELD, so it never gets dismantled. Bucky being saved stops Civil War from happening, so Zemo "returns" with a completely different plan.
 
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can anyone tell me what chris stuckmann is talking about in his review which according to him happens "late in the movie that he cant talk about but soured him on the whole thing"?
 
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So the time vortex will be key in A4 me thinks.
 
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Just got out of the theater, oh man that mid credits scene was powerful fuuuuuck! Scott is stuck in quantum fuuuck
 
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Just came back. And this is coming from someone that mildly "likes" Ant-Man 1. The Winter Soldier to The First Avenger analogies are true. This has one of the craziest third acts set pieces I've ever seen. Tight and self contained story, but with obvious ramifications for Avengers 4. I'll be watching with friends once again tomorrow.

This is like a 4.5/5 compared with Ant-Man's 3/5. for me.
 
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really liked Wasp. I could see her getting a spin off. Stuff with the quantum realm was great. Louis and his crew actually felt underused tbh. Like they were just there. The giant man scenes are great. The shrinking tech is cool and is used in some really fun ways.

Michael Pfeiffer was also underused. A welcome surprise was Ghost who imo was borderline generic villain until they explain her origin. Michael Douglas is fine. Hank is really just there to push Hopes story forward. Paul Rudd is Paul Rudd and Scott has some great moments some great comedic timing.

overall a 7.5/10.
 
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Can I point out how super eerie was the second post credit scene? The TV with the emergency system alert, the sounds of sirens and chaos outside, man it's just so surreal. Holy fuck.
 
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It's getting hard for me to rank MCU and superhero films as more and more Marvel Studios films are released and are slam dunks. I think that I need to upgrade my rating system from 5 stars to a grade between 0-10. This is the first time that I attempt this, so bear it with me (my list includes the Deadpool films):

1. The Avengers: Infinity War - 10/10
2. Captain America: Civil War - 10/10
3. The Avengers - 10/10
4. Black Panther - 9,5/10
5. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 9.5/10
6. Iron Man - 9.5/10
7. Spider-Man: Homecoming - 9.5/10
8. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 - 9.5/10
9. Thor: Ragnarok - 9.5/10
10. Guardians of the Galaxy - 9/10
11. Doctor Strange - 9/10
12. Ant-Man and the Wasp - 9/10
13. Deadpool - 9/10
14. Iron Man 3 - 8.5/10
15. Captain America: The First Avenger - 8.5/10
16. Thor - 8/10
17. The Avengers: Age of Ultron - 8/10
18. Deadpool 2 - 8/10
19. Iron Man 2 - 7.5/10 (this might be controversial but this film has grown on me a LOT, years ago it'd be the last of the list)
20. Thor: The Dark World - 7/10
21. The Incredible Hulk - 7/10

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Can I point out how super eerie was the second post credit scene? The TV with the emergency system alert, the sounds of sirens and chaos outside, man it's just so surreal. Holy fuck.
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YEP. I noticed that too.
 
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ManaByte As I'm not familiar with the comics is the Time Vortex something that relates to a specific storyline, or was it more of just a general plotline for the future films you were talking about?
 
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I agree with Stuckman. People are overrating this movie because it's a happy/fun film released after the grim Infinity War. The first Ant-Man film is superior in every way. This was just more of the same.
 
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I watched it this evening. I enjoyed it overall, although I liked the first film better. That being said, I felt the fight choreography was better in this.

That first credits scene hit my theatre audience hard. And we all loved it.
 
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Just came back. And this is coming from someone that mildly "likes" Ant-Man 1. The Winter Soldier to The First Avenger analogies are true. This has one of the craziest third acts set pieces I've ever seen. Tight and self contained story, but with obvious ramifications for Avengers 4. I'll be watching with friends once again tomorrow.

This is like a 4.5/5 compared with Ant-Man's 3/5. for me.
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I feel like we've seen a different movie. What was so crazy in the third act, not talking about the credits scenes? Hank went to the Quantum Realm just as we had expected, saves Janet just as expected. There was Sonny Burch trying to steal the lab, while Ant-Man and Wasp tried to retrieve it, but I didn't find any of that crazy.

I don't follow the The Winter Soldier to The First Avenger analogy either. I know, opinions and all that. But the first Ant-Man had a more cohesive script, it had payoff and it had emotional beats. It also had higher highs, and I would argue more creativity than Ant-Man and the Wasp. But I would have to rewatch Ant-Man to be sure of that.
 
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I mostly agree with you especially about Burch. Really not sure how that passed through multiple writers because it just seems like a comedic side-act that stretches the whole movie.

Wrote up my thoughts for my site if anyone wants to see it all
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I feel Burch is there because Ghost isn't really villain enough, so they added this more antagonistic character to up that. But the character is a bit of a waste of Walton Goggins.

Ghost was pretty cool. She could have kind of been an Agents Of SHIELD recurring character.

To compare this film to another excellent superhero film - Batman And Robin, Ghost is Mr. Freeze and Walton Goggins is Poison Ivy.

Ant-Man And The Wasp is still a 8/10 for me.
 
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I feel Burch is there because Ghost isn't really villain enough, so they added this more antagonistic character to up that. But the character is a bit of a waste of Walton Goggins.

Ghost was pretty cool. She could have kind of been an Agents Of SHIELD recurring character.

Ant-Man And The Wasp is still a 8/10 for me.
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Yeah it feels like he's added so there's more fights in the movie
(and since two heroes make sense that they would need to fight more than one person multiple times)

I guess ultimately, my problem and I could have missed it... is their plot never evolves, we know he is working with someone else, but I don't think we ever learn who.

And based off the climax not working with Ghost.
 
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Sugary fluff. Felt mildly disposable, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Best MCU action sequences outside of the Russo movies.

Give Luis a suit.
 
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