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TeamLeftMatch

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Oct 25, 2017
2,683
I never ever got that Little Mac/Shulk argument. So the face is a trace……… what about the rest of the outfit? Cos Shulk's outfit isn't exactly easy to draw and tracing Little Mac ain't helping there.

BUT THE FACE!

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For those trying to disprove I think showing the face is the same to them means everything else it fake just like that (and I was on #teamfake back then, I ate crow until the Bowser Jr looked so good)
 

Cybersai

Banned
Jan 8, 2018
11,631
I thought Shulk was fake too. Xenoblade was an obscure franchise at the time, and I didn't get why another anime JRPG character was being added over Ridley, Dixie, K. Rool, etc.
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
when they cloned Ridley they filled in the gaps with frog DNA and now he can spontaneously switch sexes
Clearly next is Zero Suit Ridley.


(Google that at your own peril.)
I thought Shulk was fake too. Xenoblade was an obscure franchise at the time, and I didn't get why another anime JRPG character was being added over Ridley, Dixie, K. Rool, etc.

You wondered why a new character from a well received game with unique move set potential, and was Farley recent was getting in over characters from franchises that were already there or hadn't had an appearance in years?
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
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Oct 25, 2017
14,716
United States
Seeing Twilight Princess Zelda in those screenshots made me realize that I'm going to miss her. I don't dislike ALttP Zelda at all, but TP Zelda was a different archetype I liked.

EVERYONE was supposed to be here! Preorder canceled.
 

WestEgg

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,047
Shulk was a great pick. Xenoblade is like a reverse Fire Emblem, in that it was relatively unknown in the west until Martha and Roy were in Melee, leading to fan demand for the games to come over. Xenoblade had a huge campaign to be brought over to North America, and sold it's entire production run, leading to Nintendo realizing the potential of the series and putting Shulk into Smash.
 

jph139

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,406
That character select is honestly a travesty. Yoshi mixed in with the Mario characters? Characters sorted by year of introduction, except Bowser Jr. and Jigglypuff for some reason? Clones in their own corner, after everyone else, except the third party characters and also Shulk for some reason?

It was so wrong it had to be real.
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
Seeing Twilight Princess Zelda in those screenshots made me realize that I'm going to miss her. I don't dislike ALttP Zelda at all, but TP Zelda was a different archetype I liked.

EVERYONE was supposed to be here! Preorder canceled.

Sorry that you lost a look you like but frankly that's one of the things I'm happiest about.

I really don't like TP's art style and in particular it's my least favorite Zelda design.

I am sorry that it's not available for you though.
 

WestEgg

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
14,047
It is interesting that Zelda went from being one of the most stoic characters in Smash to one of the most energetic.
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
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Oct 25, 2017
14,716
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Sorry that you lost a look you like but frankly that's one of the things I'm happiest about.

I really don't like TP's art style and in particular it's my least favorite Zelda design.

I am sorry that it's not available for you though.

If we erase TP Zelda, what will we leave for our children? Is nothing sacred?

ALttP Zelda is cool, though. I used to like that Zelda/Link/Ganondorf had uniform depictions from the same games but the depictions they went with this time spanning multiple generations of the series is definitely interesting. I think it makes them look a lot less cohesive and a bit more random, but I think I just have to get used to it.
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 26, 2017
9,753
NoVA
I'm honestly more relieved than anything to be sticking a fork in the TP designs. I wouldn't be mad if they're tucked away somewhere as an option, but I'm so tired of them.
 

mopinks

Member
Oct 27, 2017
30,586
Shulk's placement on the 3DS CSS still drives me nuts

all the other weird placements I can live with, but that one's a nightmare
 

WestEgg

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,047
If we erase TP Zelda, what will we leave for our children? Is nothing sacred?

ALttP Zelda is cool, though. I used to like that Zelda/Link/Ganondorf had uniform depictions from the same games but the depictions they went with this time spanning multiple generations of the series is definitely interesting. I think it makes them look a lot less cohesive and a bit more random, but I think I just have to get used to it.
The different generations of characters are pretty neat when you think about their perspectives on each other.
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,753
NoVA
I will say that with Shiek getting a design based off the Shiekah armor from BOTW, they missed an opportunity to give me a suave Ganondorf based on the desert voe armor, and that's just sad.
 

GiantBreadbug

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,992
TP Ganondorf as an alt a la "The Ikes" using his Sage Sword would be consolation enough for me as a TP fan

I will say that with Shiek getting a design based off the Shiekah armor from BOTW, they missed an opportunity to give me a suave Ganondorf based on the desert voe armor, and that's just sad.

thinking about a muscle-Ganondorf with the Voe Armor hmm

I redact my request for TP Ganondorf and request the sexy one
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
If we erase TP Zelda, what will we leave for our children? Is nothing sacred?

ALttP Zelda is cool, though. I used to like that Zelda/Link/Ganondorf had uniform depictions from the same games but the depictions they went with this time spanning multiple generations of the series is definitely interesting. I think it makes them look a lot less cohesive and a bit more random, but I think I just have to get used to it.
I feel like all the Zelda characters being cohesive was kind of thrown out the window with Toon Link.

I just found TP Zelda kind of boring with her stoic look.

Didn't help that we had her for three games so at this point any change was kind of a relief.
 

WestEgg

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
14,047
The fun part of me loves this art, the nit picker in me wants to point out that those versions of Link and Zelda still should have heard of Ganondorf.
LttP Zelda should know Ganondorf since his backstory as the prince of thieves and name "Ganondorf Dragmire" came from that game. I'm not as sure about BotW Link though, since Urbosa is the only one who comments on how legends say Calamity Ganon once had a human form.
 

GiantBreadbug

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,992
LttP Zelda should know Ganondorf since his backstory as the prince of thieves and name "Ganondorf Dragmire" came from that game. I'm not as sure about BotW Link though, since Urbosa is the only one who comments on how legends say Calamity Ganon once had a human form.

It seems to me that the divine reincarnations of both Link and Zelda (Hylia) ought to always be able to recognize the reincarnations of Demise but yeah
 

Nocturnowl

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Oct 25, 2017
26,157
Look at this fake ass roster leak. Off screen, blury, and they didn't even bother to do character models, it's just stock art or badly shopped other characters.

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Look at that bland black space, uneven, no pizazz to it, it's just random black space with not even a hint of the spiffy background effects Sakurai likes having go through his menu backgrounds.
FAKE
/this is what I actually said

Gamecube responding with shock to her dwindling sales, Wii U looking despondent at no sales
They nailed it!
 

WestEgg

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
14,047
It seems to me that the divine reincarnations of both Link and Zelda (Hylia) ought to always be able to recognize the reincarnations of Demise but yeah
Only tangentally related, but the relationship between Hylia and post Skyward Sword Zelda kind of bothers me. It's very clear that Hylia reincarnated as a mortal because of Triforce rules shenanigans, and it gives SS this kind of duality as a charcter, in that she has a seperate self ignorant of her divinity before the game kicks off, and seems to acknowledge that she is both Hylia and still Zelda afterwards, even though the two aren't quite one in the same. Afterwards though, I don't believe Hylia continues to reincarnate as Zelda in the same way that the Spirit of the Hero continues to reincarnate as Link. In BotW, Hylia seems to be a completely separate entity to Zelda, who communicates with Zelda through vision and directly to Link via the shrine statutes. There's also the matter of Demise's curse, in that he specifically calls out "those who share the blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero" implying a distinction between the two, in that the Zeldas are descendants of Hylia/Zelda, but not Hylia herself as the original Zelda was, while all Link's are direct reincarnations of SS Link... except for maybe WW Link and his line afterwards, who seems to be an originally unconnected character who filled the void in the absence of the Hero's Spirit due to time travel shenanigans.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,551
I like how I can put "desert voe Ganondorf" in Google and up pops tons of fanart.

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(Though this brings up a silly consideration: Shouldn't the Gerudo wear more skin coverage, like real world desert-living people? You don't want your skin constantly exposed to the sun and sand.)
 

Clov

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,929
What if we get a Windwaker and TP Ganondorf alt-costume?
I really dn't get why Toon-Ganondorf isn't a thing. His best design imo.

Black Gamecube is still the best looking Nintendo console outside the Switch. Third place is Wii.

The black Gamecube may look better than the other models, but it's really not that great looking.

Now the original Famicom, that's a nice looking console! Love the colors. The Wii is great looking too, just for how simple and sleek it is.
 

Pancracio17

▲ Legend ▲
Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
18,849
I like how I can put "desert voe Ganondorf" in Google and up pops tons of fanart.

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(Though this brings up a silly consideration: Shouldn't the Gerudo wear more skin coverage, like real world desert-living people? You don't want your skin constantly exposed to the sun and sand.)
They probably should at least have a cloak they can put on when a sandstorm happens or the sun gets too hot.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,126
Nonsensical half-naked desert people are a fantasy tradition.

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(P.S. everyone in this picture has psychic powers because why not)
 

GiantBreadbug

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,992
Only tangentally related, but the relationship between Hylia and post Skyward Sword Zelda kind of bothers me. It's very clear that Hylia reincarnated as a mortal because of Triforce rules shenanigans, and it gives SS this kind of duality as a charcter, in that she has a seperate self ignorant of her divinity before the game kicks off, and seems to acknowledge that she is both Hylia and still Zelda afterwards, even though the two aren't quite one in the same. Afterwards though, I don't believe Hylia continues to reincarnate as Zelda in the same way that the Spirit of the Hero continues to reincarnate as Link. In BotW, Hylia seems to be a completely separate entity to Zelda, who communicates with Zelda through vision and directly to Link via the shrine statutes. There's also the matter of Demise's curse, in that he specifically calls out "those who share the blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero" implying a distinction between the two, in that the Zeldas are descendants of Hylia/Zelda, but not Hylia herself as the original Zelda was, while all Link's are direct reincarnations of SS Link... except for maybe WW Link and his line afterwards, who seems to be an originally unconnected character who filled the void in the absence of the Hero's Spirit due to time travel shenanigans.

I think that the answer is as simple as that reincarnations of the Hero are straightforward player-character Coolguys while Hylia reincarnations via Zelda have to have some attunement to the sealing power via "faith" or some such spiritual shite.

Basically Link has plot armor via the Master Sword (and kinda Fi tbh) while Zelda has to put in the work each time by praying and attuning her individual spirit to that of the Goddess's inside of her or something.

*please note that I am not at all a Zelda Scholar of any kind
 

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Nintendo's stock keeps falling. The higher ups must be putting a lot of pressure on Sakurai to reveal Goku, but good on him for waiting.
 
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