Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

Welp, it was recently brought to our attention that our entire department will be out of jobs by the end of September, and morale couldn't be any lower, we fucking despise our closest boss.

It has gotten me to philosophise about references though. Aren't they pretty deceitful and practically useless? I mean, let's say that a company wants you to provide contact information to people you've worked with so they can check if you're alright or not. No one in their right mind, if possible, would give out the information to someone they know dislikes you or would try to ruin your chances. I most certainly won't ask my boss if I can help it, I'd ask closer colleagues and/or supervisors, people who has actually worked with me personally. But therein lies the problem as well, I will only ask people I trust and consider friends, and their testimonies can't be trusted from the employer's perspective, because who wouldn't try their hardest to help out a friend in need? This assumes you've been a model employee of course and deserve a new job.

I remember that famous youtube clip of an Australian bloke who fake a reference and completely nails it xD I love it, but it also proves my point I think, that references can't be trusted, because who doesn't have a friend or coworker who'd lie their ass off for you if it meant you got a new job? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZ41i2dSIw

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Welp, it was recently brought to our attention that our entire department will be out of jobs by the end of September, and morale couldn't be any lower, we fucking despise our closest boss.

It has gotten me to philosophise about references though. Aren't they pretty deceitful and practically useless? I mean, let's say that a company wants you to provide contact information to people you've worked with so they can check if you're alright or not. No one in their right mind, if possible, would give out the information to someone they know dislikes you or would try to ruin your chances. I most certainly won't ask my boss if I can help it, I'd ask closer colleagues and/or supervisors, people who has actually worked with me personally. But therein lies the problem as well, I will only ask people I trust and consider friends, and their testimonies can't be trusted from the employer's perspective, because who wouldn't try their hardest to help out a friend in need? This assumes you've been a model employee of course and deserve a new job.

I remember that famous youtube clip of an Australian bloke who fake a reference and completely nails it xD I love it, but it also proves my point I think, that references can't be trusted, because who doesn't have a friend or coworker who'd lie their ass off for you if it meant you got a new job? :)

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It depends on what sort of reference. Some references (e.g. for medical school) require sealed envelope so the candidate can't read it (although some profs choose to disclose the letter to the candidate anyway).

Some references I've seen were less than flattering of the candidate. Some candidates specified a reference, but the reference did not reply back with any materials despite us trying to contact them multiple times (which is tacitly implying they cannot give the candidate a positive reference)

Also some people just suck at giving references or give the bare token reference (e.g. yes, he/she worked here)

Yeah, the reference system is quite outdated in that sense, since it is easy to "cheat" it, but at the same time, I can't imagine any other system since most employers want to know from third parties about the candidate, since the potential employee could be lying about their previous experience or motives about looking for a new job.

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Yeah, the reference system is quite outdated in that sense, since it is easy to "cheat" it, but at the same time, I can't imagine any other system since most employers want to know from third parties about the candidate, since the potential employee could be lying about their previous experience or motives about looking for a new job.

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Sometimes references can provide an alternative perspective on the strength and weaknesses of a candidate. E.g. a candidate struggled at the beginning of the job, but made an admirable improvement. Not sure if the candidate themselves would necessarily point this out.

Has anyone worked retail at Apple? Just applied to some jobs there and have heard nothing but good things; wonder if anyone has any stories.

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Yeah, the reference system is quite outdated in that sense, since it is easy to "cheat" it, but at the same time, I can't imagine any other system since most employers want to know from third parties about the candidate, since the potential employee could be lying about their previous experience or motives about looking for a new job.

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The reference system is like the first date in the world of online dating. It doesn't mean much overall, but it's a necessary metric to make sure that the person you're looking at is not completely insane/dangerous.

@.@ current boss wants us to basically clean out our apartments and what not as best we can this Friday. A solid month before the contracts end. That's like 25 days with no furniture lol. Oh well least I got an old PC monitor that the recycle shop won't take since its over their age limit for buying stuff... Will game on the floor haha.

I really hope my friend was serious about hiring me in 6 months, I will work my ass in any shitty job til then -fingers crossed-

Hmm, there is a job for nintendo which is between 50-60k (AU), but it's not a 'project' role.
If i get something in my field I could get 68+, but....Nintendo! :(

Its a management assistant role, which doesn't sound fancy

So, I am in a really specific, strange dilemma, and I need some advice.

I applied for a Marketing Specialist role at a small company here in my pretty small town a week ago. I know a couple of the people who work there by proxy, so I asked them for advice. The posting had just opened when I applied.

For this next part, I need to backtrack. I live in a small town, went to high school here and subsequently college. Graduated in May, been on the job hunt for two months now. I have a friend from high school that I keep in regular contact with, and I remember him telling me that his dad does something similar to what this company does. Today, I messaged him to ask him where he works, and lo and behold, it's the same company. He tells me that he just applied for the same position. The thing is, he doesn't have a degree, or the same amount of experience that I do. He told me his dad might try to bring him on as an assistant instead, and that he's going to show them his portfolio next week.

I'm in a pickle. We're now competing for the same job. My question is, is it a bad thing to ask if his dad could put in a good word for me? His dad seems to like me, from when we've talked. He had a birthday party a few weeks back and his dad actually asked me what I was doing now. I just don't know what to do here. I feel really bad now that we're both vying for the same job, that his dad could help him out, etc.

Does anyone know how accurate the salary ranges on glassdoor typically are?

Hmmm, so my first job interview ever is scheduled for the 11th of July. English teacher for a middle-school or a high school in the surroundings of Paris. One week to get ready and convince myself that it will be all right.

I'm terrified.

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Does anyone know how accurate the salary ranges on glassdoor typically are?

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Not accurate at all

Source: how much im making at my company compared to what its listed on GD.

Welp, after graduating two months ago I'm having my first phone interview this Friday. I don't want to get my hopes up since the job itself would be great for me to have, especially due to the location.

Now I get to be in the cool club I guess with the rest of you.

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Has anyone worked retail at Apple? Just applied to some jobs there and have heard nothing but good things; wonder if anyone has any stories.

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I hear Apple treats their employees incredibly, whether they're in retail or executives.

Had two interviews last month. The first was a disaster and unsurprisingly, I never heard back. The second went great, heard from my references that the hiring manager liked me, and earlier today, got a call from their HR with a tentative offer.

The good news is that the benefits are nice, and the job itself sounds like it's right up my alley. The bad, the pay is pretty freaking low from what I usually earn.

I told her I'd talk to my family about it and give her a call on Thursday. I'm pretty sure I'll have to make a counter-offer, it's just I have no idea what would be realistic, and what will be laughed at. Moreover, I'm wondering if I should pass if they can't accept my counter-offer.

So thought I would get an opinion here. I applied to USPS a little over a month ago, took the exam (scored a 98.8) 2 days after applying and was moved to the pre-hire list 2 weeks ago. Now I've heard it takes a while (upwards of 3 months depending on position), but since being moved to the pre-hire list, I have heard nothing (no interview, drug test or background check). I emailed the person in charge of hiring a week ago and was told "Did not get to your score" in regards to my status. My question is, what do I take that as? It's been a month and that response almost makes it sound like they're done interviewing people (adding a "yet" at the end would change so much). If they're not done, is it just taking that long to get to me? Would they move me to the pre-hire list if they had no intention of getting back to me for the position?

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It has gotten me to philosophise about references though. Aren't they pretty deceitful and practically useless? I mean, let's say that a company wants you to provide contact information to people you've worked with so they can check if you're alright or not. No one in their right mind, if possible, would give out the information to someone they know dislikes you or would try to ruin your chances. I most certainly won't ask my boss if I can help it, I'd ask closer colleagues and/or supervisors, people who has actually worked with me personally. But therein lies the problem as well, I will only ask people I trust and consider friends, and their testimonies can't be trusted from the employer's perspective, because who wouldn't try their hardest to help out a friend in need? This assumes you've been a model employee of course and deserve a new job.

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References are so archaic in this day in age if you're not in the medical or law profession. I - too - went through the same pondering as you did. When I left my last job, I handed in my resignation and asked my manager to send me a reference given that - as far as he's aware - I wasn't going into another job immediately after I left. He nodded sincerely and said "of course" numerous times but never sent it. My ex-collegues were nice enough to volunteer to write me a reference but it got me to think "as much as it was a nice gesture of them to do so, none of them were above me in seniority so the reference wouldn't really have much value."

So many comments! :D

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It depends on what sort of reference. Some references (e.g. for medical school) require sealed envelope so the candidate can't read it (although some profs choose to disclose the letter to the candidate anyway).

Some references I've seen were less than flattering of the candidate. Some candidates specified a reference, but the reference did not reply back with any materials despite us trying to contact them multiple times (which is tacitly implying they cannot give the candidate a positive reference)

Also some people just suck at giving references or give the bare token reference (e.g. yes, he/she worked here)

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I've never heard of sealed references before, interesting. Yes, I suppose you have to pick your references with care. I have no idea if any of mine have actually been contacted, and if they have been, I have no idea if they said anything good. I've had it rough finding a position relevant to my education, but I have no idea if it's because of my references or something else :/

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Yeah, the reference system is quite outdated in that sense, since it is easy to "cheat" it, but at the same time, I can't imagine any other system since most employers want to know from third parties about the candidate, since the potential employee could be lying about their previous experience or motives about looking for a new job.

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That's true, I don't know what else could take its place either. It just feels like I culd just as well give my own mother as a reference, it'd be about as trustworthy, you know? :)

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This suggests that a close colleague and/or friend is the way to go, I think. I don't think my closest boss could answer such questions properly, because she's rarely in the same town, let alone the same building xD Good point for the validity of references though, hadn't thought of that.

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The reference system is like the first date in the world of online dating. It doesn't mean much overall, but it's a necessary metric to make sure that the person you're looking at is not completely insane/dangerous.

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Haha that's a pretty apt analogy.

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References are so archaic in this day in age if you're not in the medical or law profession. I - too - went through the same pondering as you did. When I left my last job, I handed in my resignation and asked my manager to send me a reference given that - as far as he's aware - I wasn't going into another job immediately after I left. He nodded sincerely and said "of course" numerous times but never sent it. My ex-collegues were nice enough to volunteer to write me a reference but it got me to think "as much as it was a nice gesture of them to do so, none of them were above me in seniority so the reference wouldn't really have much value."

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Wait, so you asked for a reference ahead of schedule so to speak, before you even applied for a new job? Like he was supposed to send a letter reference to your home or something? That's so odd to me.

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Wait, so you asked for a reference ahead of schedule so to speak, before you even applied for a new job? Like he was supposed to send a letter reference to your home or something? That's so odd to me.

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I wanted him to send it to me via email. Plus, telling him I didn't have another job lined up was a bluff. I obviously did. Just didn't want him to know. I only wanted a reference from him because it would have the corporation's seal and whatnot and - at the time - I believed that it would carry value with me in the future. The dude was made redundant late last year so it didn't matter in the end.

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I wanted him to send it to me via email. Plus, telling him I didn't have another job lined up was a bluff. I obviously did. Just didn't want him to know. I only wanted a reference from him because it would have the corporation's seal and whatnot and - at the time - I believed that it would carry value with me in the future. The dude was made redundant late last year so it didn't matter in the end.

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I've never heard of this sort of reference before these posts in here. Such a strange concept, I have no idea if we have that here in Sweden. I would just give out my references' phone number and/or email address. I had to get a sealed document from the police to get my current job, but that's clearly quite the opposite of this hehe.

What websites do people use for job searches? Like Linkedin and stuff? What keywords should I be looking for? Does anybody actually get hired from these sites?

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What websites do people use for job searches? Like Linkedin and stuff? What keywords should I be looking for? Does anybody actually get hired from these sites?

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Are there any industry-specific sites for you? If not, LinkedIn is a good resource, as are Indeed and other job finding sites. Ideally, it's better to see a listing and apply directly from the company site if you can, but you should still keep your LinkedIn profile updated, with your search preference set to let recruiters know you're looking.

So after going through 4 rounds of interviews, plus being flown out to San Fran and meeting with nearly 12 different people, I got turned down for the two positions I applied for. Pretty dumbfounded, as everything went so well and I was getting such positive feedback from the team. It was a fairly lateral move too, it was literally a position I've filled for 6 years, and they commented many times how perfect I was for the role.

The only feedback was that I didnt have enough experience, but with 6 years of experience and having trained people in this position, I found that hard to handle.

Took about 4 months, just exhausted. I know you're not supposed to get your hopes up, but this one felt so tangible.

Been there. Sorry to hear that.

But hey, at least you know you are at least finalist material, so it's just a matter of time before you find the right place!

After a process that was pure torture, no less than 7 interviews in total over three months, I got a job offer on Friday that I'm absolutely delighted with. Feels like a huge move for me, from the outside at least it's one of the best companies to work for in my field. Thought so many times it wasn't going to happen.

What's the best way to explain a masive gap on a CV when there's no good way to explain it?
I couldn't get a job and it sucked the life out of me, caused a vicious circle of not being able to get a job due to not having one. I barely left the house for months on end, in retrospect I had depression but I never got help.

Thankfully I did evenutaly get a job that I've had for a few years and I'm back to normal. I've gone from being anxious about going to the supermarket to travelling to the other side of the world alone.

Yet the gap still haunts me now I'm applying for other jobs and there's just no good way of explaining it. Just saying unemployed doesn't seem to be working. Lying is illegal and with nothing to back it up seems a bad option. Keeping it vague with "health reasons" seems sensible as I don't legally have to say more but not giving any info when pushed would make them think I was in prison. I'm leaning towards outright saying depression even though I can't prove it and just try to focus on things being better now.

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What's the best way to explain a masive gap on a CV when there's no good way to explain it?
I couldn't get a job and it sucked the life out of me, caused a vicious circle of not being able to get a job due to not having one. I barely left the house for months on end, in retrospect I had depression but I never got help.

Thankfully I did evenutaly get a job that I've had for a few years and I'm back to normal. I've gone from being anxious about going to the supermarket to travelling to the other side of the world alone.

Yet the gap still haunts me now I'm applying for other jobs and there's just no good way of explaining it. Just saying unemployed doesn't seem to be working. Lying is illegal and with nothing to back it up seems a bad option. Keeping it vague with "health reasons" seems sensible as I don't legally have to say more but not giving any info when pushed would make them think I was in prison. I'm leaning towards outright saying depression even though I can't prove it and just try to focus on things being better now.

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Seems a bit weird they'd care about a past gap in employment when you've been working for a few years since.

Honestly, just make up something. Sick parents, family obligations, traveling, etc.

It's weird when I was looking for a job I had no offers but now that I have one I just got an offer for 911 dispatcher which would pay more than the job I'm working now.

I have to pass a lie detector test though which is odd. They don't use polygraph tests in court to convict people but it's ok to use them for pre employment

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Yes, recruiters always message me on Linkedin so I think it can be pretty useful. Keywords these recruiters use are job titles or specific skills.

The websites I really use (jobs in the Uk) are things like Jobserve, Jobsite and Monster.

I've been working at my company now for about seven months, and it's not really that great, so I applied for another job on a whim two weeks ago and got a response almost immediately. I had a quick phone call with the company, and they ended up scheduling an online interview for this week. I received the schedule yesterday, and it's about two hours long, composed of sessions with six different people. Anyone have any advice for a situation like this beyond just preparing for standard interview questions?

Would it be wrong to not use my full name on my resume?

I have a feminine name, but if it gets shortened to the first three letters, it becomes a masculine name. I feel like a lot of tech jobs are ghosting me for sexist reasons, but I also feel like if they hear my voice over the phone they may get angry for thinking I was a man instead and won't hire me anyway. I'm afraid of scaring off potential employers who would have ignored my gender but not hire me due to lying.

Not sure if I should be desperate enough to try it :/

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Would it be wrong to not use my full name on my resume?

I have a feminine name, but if it gets shortened to the first three letters, it becomes a masculine name. I feel like a lot of tech jobs are ghosting me for sexist reasons, but I also feel like if they hear my voice over the phone they may get angry for thinking I was a man instead and won't hire me anyway. I'm afraid of scaring off potential employers who would have ignored my gender but not hire me due to lying.

Not sure if I should be desperate enough to try it :/

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There is nothing wrong with that. A resume is basically an advertisement for yourself, and if you feel writing your name a certain way makes you more marketable, go for it.

I have an interview tomorrow that I am feeling good about. Had a meeting with a recruiter today trying to get me into interviews. I have a feeling I'm about to land something, I'm trying to remain positive.

Question though, for my interview tomorrow, the hiring manager encouraged me to bring samples of my work (it's a writing/marketing/design position), and said I could use their computer to show them my portfolio if need be. Should I do this or bring in hard copies?

Bring backups, just in case. You don't even want the chance that their tech won't work with your stuff.

Bring in hard copies to be safe. They can attach the copies to your file, when handing it someone else to read.

I'm mad I filled out all of this information for the library of congress just for me to get to an error window at the end.

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Would it be wrong to not use my full name on my resume?

I have a feminine name, but if it gets shortened to the first three letters, it becomes a masculine name. I feel like a lot of tech jobs are ghosting me for sexist reasons, but I also feel like if they hear my voice over the phone they may get angry for thinking I was a man instead and won't hire me anyway. I'm afraid of scaring off potential employers who would have ignored my gender but not hire me due to lying.

Not sure if I should be desperate enough to try it :/

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I have a feminine name as well. Everyone expects to see a white girl based on my name alone. :P

I don't think it matters if you change your name. People using different names on their CV versus their actual name is more common than you think (as that's what they are actually called), e.g. Tommy instead of Thomas, Mike instead of Michael, etc.

That said these companies are probably googling you anyway, so I don't think it will have an impact either way.

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I highly recommend Linkedin. You get tons offers depending on your field and level of experience.

Even without experience is a good way to show your online presence. As said before these people try to google and I feel like have zero presence does not work in your favor.

It's an easy way to network. People are way more likely to add you there than any other platform (Facebook, Twitter, Insta, etc.).

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What's the best way to explain a masive gap on a CV when there's no good way to explain it?
I couldn't get a job and it sucked the life out of me, caused a vicious circle of not being able to get a job due to not having one. I barely left the house for months on end, in retrospect I had depression but I never got help.

Thankfully I did evenutaly get a job that I've had for a few years and I'm back to normal. I've gone from being anxious about going to the supermarket to travelling to the other side of the world alone.

Yet the gap still haunts me now I'm applying for other jobs and there's just no good way of explaining it. Just saying unemployed doesn't seem to be working. Lying is illegal and with nothing to back it up seems a bad option. Keeping it vague with "health reasons" seems sensible as I don't legally have to say more but not giving any info when pushed would make them think I was in prison. I'm leaning towards outright saying depression even though I can't prove it and just try to focus on things being better now.

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Traveling always works decently. It's not that unusual to take a gap year after finishing up school.

I just applied for a bunch of jobs on indeed and then after realized I had put the wrong city and state on my profile because of a prior search I had been doing. Mess.

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I've been working at my company now for about seven months, and it's not really that great, so I applied for another job on a whim two weeks ago and got a response almost immediately. I had a quick phone call with the company, and they ended up scheduling an online interview for this week. I received the schedule yesterday, and it's about two hours long, composed of sessions with six different people. Anyone have any advice for a situation like this beyond just preparing for standard interview questions?

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The thing about these round robin interviews is that you have to keep your energy level high. Its tough to get psyched up to meet with six different people but you don't want to leave the impression the job isn't exciting. I'd have some kind of drink and snacks handy and develop a plan for how you are going to clear your head and recharge between sessions.

Well, it's over. I got an EOD date, I'll be starting next month. It took around eight months to get and I still have to pass the academy (six months).

Tomorrow I'm putting in my two week notice. It's going to be the best feeling in the world.

Telling my students this week that I'm not gonna be here when they get back from summer break isn't easy. But I think I'm getting more and more ready to move to a different city for my next job. Gonna be jobless/homeless for a month but I think I can do it. (staying with a friend so it could be ok)

Also applied for a job back in America but... if I get it that would be amazing since its kinda my dream job/dream job to start my food in the door. But would be hecka expensive to move to a city I don't know ect. Oh well all what ifs at the moment.

I had a really good interview yesterday. The interviewer even said I did a good job, mentioned a second interview and seemed to like me. Unfortunately he said he probably won't make a decision until September 1st.

I feel so guilty when recruiters try and recruit me but I decline because it's located in the city and don't want to commute that far.

Especially since I do need a job due to a mortgage and these jobs probably pay like 20k more than I was previously getting.

But I've got like 4 month buffer in the bank for the loan repayments. I feel like I'm being too picky

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Would it be wrong to not use my full name on my resume?

I have a feminine name, but if it gets shortened to the first three letters, it becomes a masculine name. I feel like a lot of tech jobs are ghosting me for sexist reasons, but I also feel like if they hear my voice over the phone they may get angry for thinking I was a man instead and won't hire me anyway. I'm afraid of scaring off potential employers who would have ignored my gender but not hire me due to lying.

Not sure if I should be desperate enough to try it :/

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Just use the name you're comfortable with. They're not allowed to decide by gender anyway.

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I feel so guilty when recruiters try and recruit me but I decline because it's located in the city and don't want to commute that far.

Especially since I do need a job due to a mortgage and these jobs probably pay like 20k more than I was previously getting.

But I've got like 4 month buffer in the bank for the loan repayments. I feel like I'm being too picky

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I'd say you don't discount the possibilities and check all the plus and cons of the commute. How long would you take? Would you use your own transport or public transport? If you go there by car, would the expenses be less than those 20k?

If you're out of a job or very tight in cash, I'd say you give it a second spin.

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I'd say you don't discount the possibilities and check all the plus and cons of the commute. How long would you take? Would you use your own transport or public transport? If you go there by car, would the expenses be less than those 20k?

If you're out of a job or very tight in cash, I'd say you give it a second spin.

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Expense wise it wouldn't be an issue. The jobs on offer pay very well.

I'm in the mindset that I don't want to waste 1.5-2 hours of my day on traveling, getting up way earlier to get there and then coming home later than usual. Kind of scared I'd lose out on all my leisure time and I'm not sure if the cash boost is worth it. I've mainly been looking at a 20-25 min radius from my house.

Well, I can comment you from my experience.... My commute is between an hour to an hour and a half (more with bad weather) each way and while yeah, there are days I get tired of it, I also learned to use that time. I listen to my favourite radio programs, or watch something on the cell phone, or read. I still have time to myself, though - I game some if I'm in the mood before going to sleep, or watch a movie.

You'd miss some leisure time, probably, but maybe it isn't as much as you are thinking.

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You'd miss some leisure time, probably, but maybe it isn't as much as you are thinking.

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Yeh I know. I think because I'm not desperate at this very moment that I'm becoming extremely picky to make sure I get something I'd be happy with.

No doubt once the funds start to run out and I become desperate I won't have a choice lol

Gah. I'm so frustrated. I had a phone interview scheduled last Thursday, and the day of the interview the HR manager said she'll have to cancel and she'll be in touch Friday to reschedule. She wasn't in touch Friday, so I emailed Saturday as a follow-up.

This Monday she thanked me for following up and we rescheduled for today at 1:30. Literally two hours before the interview she emailed me again saying she'll have to cancel again, and for transparency they decided to move forward with another candidate.

So ridiculous. If they had made the decision to focus on other candidates, why couldn't they have let me know that, instead of canceling our interviews with short notice?

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Gah. I'm so frustrated. I had a phone interview scheduled last Thursday, and the day of the interview the HR manager said she'll have to cancel and she'll be in touch Friday to reschedule. She wasn't in touch Friday, so I emailed Saturday as a follow-up.

This Monday she thanked me for following up and we rescheduled for today at 1:30. Literally two hours before the interview she emailed me again saying she'll have to cancel again, and for transparency they decided to move forward with another candidate.

So ridiculous. If they had made the decision to focus on other candidates, why couldn't they have let me know that, instead of canceling our interviews with short notice?

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It's so unprofessional, man.