Ant-Man and the Wasp |OT| It takes two to make a thing go right (Unmarked Spoilers)

Pachimari said:

I feel like we've seen a different movie. What was so crazy in the third act, not talking about the credits scenes? Hank went to the Quantum Realm just as we had expected, saves Janet just as expected. There was Sonny Burch trying to steal the lab, while Ant-Man and Wasp tried to retrieve it, but I didn't find any of that crazy.

I don't follow the The Winter Soldier to The First Avenger analogy either. I know, opinions and all that. But the first Ant-Man had a more cohesive script, it had payoff and it had emotional beats. It also had higher highs, and I would argue more creativity than Ant-Man and the Wasp. But I would have to rewatch Ant-Man to be sure of that.

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I make a point out of not watching trailers whatsoever other than the first teaser, so I don't see Hank going to the Quantum Realm coming, neither I had a clear idea what was going on with Jan. I mean, that's not Marvel Comics Jan and the beginning of the first act sort of gives you an idea that Jan might not be exactly the same Jan that Hope and Hank love, so I enjoyed how they subvert the whole plot twist by being a twist itself, Jan saves the day with the rest of her family. Also, the way that the third act was shot and edited was very exciting to me, cutting from the craziest car chases in San Francisco to the Quantum Realm worked for me.

If there's ONE flaw I see in this film it's not how the film it's structured, I was way more engaged with the story of this film than I ever was for Ant-Man, but the ONE flaw is Ghost's reasonings for being a villain. Her visuals are amazing, it starts extremely strong but then she's all "no, I'll be evil, but not too much because redeemable evil so I can show up in the Thunderbolts". Other than that, I absolutely loved this film and I'll be watching again today.

This might have been asked already but how many post credit scenes does the movie have? No spoilers since I've not seen the movie yet.

Thanks.

Einchy said:

This might have been asked already but how many post credit scenes does the movie have? No spoilers since I've not seen the movie yet.

Thanks.

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Two.

Pachimari said:

Two.

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u is man now tdankls

I liked the whole movie. Very fluid and a lot of smart, different scenes. Evangeline's Wasp is fucking awesome. But that damn after credits... That Infinity War connection is a disappointment. That's why I waited for the movie, and it sucks. There were tons of great scenarios and they choosed the worst, quick one. Also, they didn't show enough Janet Van Dyne's return. She was like sitting there and eating candys for years. Apart from these, the film had no any other problem. I really liked until after credits.

I loved how Hope van Dyne's origin reminded me of Peter Parker's so much. With the parents having to go away for some top secret mission, never to return (in Janet's case).

Do you guys think there's more to Janet's character than what we've seen? Since she has evolved and everything, or is her stabilizing power on Ava it?

disaster said:

I liked the whole movie. Very fluid and a lot of smart, different scenes. Evangeline's Wasp is fucking awesome. But that damn after credits... That Infinity War connection is a disappointment. That's why I waited for the movie, and it sucks. There were tons of great scenarios and they choosed the worst, quick one. Also, they didn't show enough Janet Van Dyne's return. She was like sitting there and eating candys for years. Apart from these, the film had no any other problem. I really liked until after credits.

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Legit question - what would you have liked as a post credit sequence bearing in mind their typical length?

I really would like to see the consequences of the snap in a greater length than the one in the second post credit scene, but thinking back to it, the second post credit scene is perfect, only showing subtle hints of what's going on at the moment (TV Emergency Alert, sounds of sirens and chaos outside) I thought at the moment after the second post credit scene(because the first one had to be at the time of the snap happening) that it was such a shitty gag but after thinking about it and seeing the "Ant-Man and the Wasp will return?" after it left me with such an deeply disturbed and unsettling tone, like holy shit half of humanity ceised to exist, 4 billion people literally turned to dust and no one (aside from the Avengers) knows whats going on. Even though my curiosity REALLY wants to see how the world is reacting about it, the second post credit scene was perfect in giving just the small subtle hints to give you a sense of dread and bleakness while making you want to know what the fuck is going on, and for that you will need to watch Avengers 4 to know the answer


Fuck April/May next year is so far away, this is worse than Game of Thrones season waiting

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Going to see this tonight, and god; can't believe how much I completely spaced the fact that Evangeline Lilly was in the first film. Maybe it was the bob cut or the snark, but I simply didn't remember her being in it. Granted, I was really tired when I saw it my first and only time, and I remember the first film as being "solidly good" but nothing spectacular, but still. My actual thoughts when seeing her in the reveal trailer for this film were "Good to see she's making waves in Hollywood, I love this actress". Like, what the actual fuck? Just rewatched the first film now and it's better than I remembered. Or maybe it's simply better than many of the films I've seen since its release.

Anyway, I read that she essentially disappeared after Lost and Real Steel by choice to focus on being a writer, which has always been her life long passion and that she only returned because LOTR was her favorite book growing up. I guess her acting used to get criticized a lot, but she is actually an accidental one and pretty much got hired for Lost by trying out on a whim to pay the bills, not because she dedicated her life to acting. Anyway, you can't fake natural charisma.

Hey guys I just finished watching it. It's pretty fun but felt to safe I guess you could say. The shrinking and growing effects are the best part of the movie. Could watch them shrink and grow stuff all day.

Just awesome. Fun as hell, inventive action scenes. Loved it.

Haee said:

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Spoiler: Avengers 4 rumored title leak

Thinking about it, the "End Game" leak might be true, think about it, EVERYTHING, all the characters throughout ALL of the MCU movies have been deeply affected by the snap, this is really the end game, the entire MCU is at stake

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I mean... It's easy to imagine the Avengers 4 trailer will open with Doctor Strange's line.

Thought the movie was dreadfully boring.

Nothing obscenely awful, outside of the truth serum scene, which lasted an eternity, but Reed's vision of... well, these characters, stories, and humor is a complete misfire for me. Not a laugh or smile to be found for me.

I liked their attempts to humanize Fishburne and Ghost and thought they were pretty successful at it! But the moments of nonchemistry between the rest of the cast is suffocating. I still STRONGLY feel that Ant-Man (both Scott and Hank) and Wasp are complete flatlines in their roles. I don't care about their trials because I don't care about their characters.

The action wasn't exciting, the emotional beats fell flat, and the jokes were not funny. I'd say it has a lot less bad than the first film, but nothing to replace it with.

Well. Big shocker. Another great Marvel movie. Great movie, great characters, and I loved that the world was never at stake. A sympathetic villain was a great call as well. Nice change of pace.

Great palate cleanser after Infinity War.

And man, that post credit sequence did not disappoint. I couldn't believe that shot from the trailer was the last scene. It was sad and funny at the same time.

The post-credit scene was definitely a bit disappointing as it was in the trailer. But it was pretty damn depressing given the new context.

ZeoVGM said:

The post-credit scene was definitely a bit disappointing as it was in the trailer. But it was pretty damn depressing given the new context.

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I loved the twist of it. I couldn't believe they did it.

Was a fun movie. Evangeline Lilly was great in it.

So I thought the mom was some kind of evolved quantum being? So how did the snap affect her when she, being a quantum being exists in all possible states?

The gravity of that last post credit scene doesn't hit you right away but damn...

Chrome Hyena said:

So I thought the mom was some kind of evolved quantum being? So how did the snap affect her when she, being a quantum being exists in all possible states?

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The snap affects all things; it's powered by all Infinity Stones. It'd cheapen its effect if Janet could survive it willy-nilly.

Really good movie. Best part was when Hank was losing himself in the Quantum Realm and right as that part went dead silent, some little kid in the front went "Oh he's dead" and the entire theater just cracked up.

Just saw it. Pretty good movie. The first stinger was basically what I expected, though I really thought his daughter would get dusted. Second stinger was kinda random, though the TV being on emergency broadcast was telling.

Really liked every character, including the villains. The Ghost's use of her powers was pretty cool. I was surprised there was no mention of stark at all. FBI being deeply inept was a little annoying by the end. Like they wouldn't have just posted 1 dude to babysit him when weird shit started happening.

This is a great, great, great, FUN movie. I think it's in my top 10 best Marvel movies ever. It has one of the best pacings I've ever experienced in a Marvel film. I was never excited about the first Ant-Man movie. I remember it was my least anticipated movie in the whole MCU. I was never interested to see it. Now, I still wasn't interested in the sequel, but man this was so much better than I anticipated. I absolutely love this movie and its characters. The action was so creative and amazing. What a great ride from start to finish.

Also, that post-credit scene... Evangeline... Thanos you bastard.

Oh boy that post credit scene really was something. damn

Salty Rice said:

Oh boy that post credit scene really was something. damn

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My whole theater gasped.

FEIGE


FEIGE YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH




FIRST MOVIE EVER WHERE THE POST CREDIT SCENES ARE BETTER THAN THE ACTUAL MOVIE




antony don't even know what's goin on


he's an ant ; _ ;

Anth0ny said:

FEIGE


FEIGE YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH




FIRST MOVIE EVER WHERE THE POST CREDIT SCENES ARE BETTER THAN THE ACTUAL MOVIE

antony don't even know what's goin on


he's an ant ; _ ;

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Whoa now let's not get carried away.

That mid-credits scene

Yoooooooooo

How does Marvel keep pulling this shit off?

Haee said:

Can I point out how super eerie was the second post credit scene? The TV with the emergency system alert, the sounds of sirens and chaos outside, man it's just so surreal. Holy fuck.

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It was masterful. Completely fucking creepy and great. Taking the hilarious shot from the trailer that basically became a meme immediately... and COMPLETELY flipping it on its head. I wasn't laughing this time.

After everyone got dusted I zoned out during the credits and recalled the last 5 minutes of Infinity War, which made it even better.

Not really sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I did like it to some degree; it was charming and funny, Douglas and Pena had some good lines, the size-changing interplay between characters and their environments was pretty cool, and I like what they did with Ghost. Plus some of the direction in the Quantum Realm was trippy.

On the other hand, there's something really off about the structure of this movie that I can't put my finger on. It feels plot-driven, but not. At the same time, it also feels plot-less, but it isn't that either. It sort of hangs between the two in a way I can't quite articulate but just doesn't come together for me. I thought a lot of the dialogue was pretty bad, the first act felt really messy, and I'm annoyed that the writers spent so much time in a whole new movie on making Hank and Hope bitchy and bitter again.

I did like it, and the movie improved a lot for me as it went on compared to how it started. But I was a little disappointed by parts of it and felt it was overall not as good an effort as the first, which I didn't was that great in the first place but still felt like a fun charming story with a strong core at the heart of it. This one didn't feel like it had as good of a foundation, which is doubly disappointing because I was hoping Reed could prove himself with this movie as to what he could do without Wright -- and I just don't think it worked as well.

TheHunter said:

My whole theater gasped.

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ha, yeah, lots of gasps and nervous clapping in my theater too.

Anth0ny said:

It was masterful. Completely fucking creepy and great. Taking the hilarious shot from the trailer that basically became a meme immediately... and COMPLETELY flipping it on its head. I wasn't laughing this time.

After everyone got dusted I zoned out during the credits and recalled the last 5 minutes of Infinity War, which made it even better.

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It's definitely the best post sequence scene IMO.

I thought the movie was OK. Wasn't bad, I was entertained, but I just didn't find it all too interesting.

ZeoVGM said:

The post-credit scene was definitely a bit disappointing as it was in the trailer. But it was pretty damn depressing given the new context.

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Well, there wasn't much else they could do. The ending had to tie in with Infinity War.

I was prepared for a scene of Scott hugging that adorable little daughter of his and having her go to dust in his arms.

That mid-credits scene wa-

It takes two to make a thing go right

This shit was super funny and a ton of fun. I have a soft spot for Wasp so this was really damn good in my eyes, visuals were best this side of IW and Strange. Probably a little less creative on the fights but the hand to hand was cooler thanks to the wings.

Post credits were cool, and the wait for Cap M/IW2 are gonna be difficult

I need a trailer for Captain Marvel yesterday.

Loved the movie, the Ant Man series continues to be a charmer. The way Ghost moved was really cool, was surprised to see her live and essentially turn a new leaf. Swear I read a spoiler where she died and Bill also died so just happy they both surivive and hopefully stay in the MCU.

The end credits scene was great like people said. Kinda wish there were more solo movies coming just to see how it would be impacted by the snap. This is when I wish FF or the X-Men were their own part of the MCU which would lead to the gigantic crossover.

The whole theater was cackling at Luis' story.

Another Marvel Studios film with a great villain, I should add. Ghost and Bill were both good characters that you felt for and understood why they were doing what they had done.

The Morrissey joke fucking killed me.

I really dug this movie.

I liked the change in structure, going from a clearly deemed antagonist to a set of characters with varying degrees of "evil" going after one MacGuffin. The looser structure fits the Ant-Man sub-series better, but I do feel the focus on comedy really undercut some good dramatic moments. Case in point: the monologue explaining Ghost's past being drowned out by Scott's ringtone. It was a moment that should have just been played straight but the comedy kinda killed the scene. In addition, Michelle Pfeiffer was basically a glorified cameo and it was darkly funny for the movie to spend 2 hours bringing her back only to kill her off after a 2 minute credits scene.

Other than that, the movie was an enjoyable romp. I had fun watching it, and the funny bits that really hit were hysterical e.g. the Luis recap scene. I'm glad both Hope and Hank got more to do this time, and I'm especially happy the movie has been delving deeper into Hank's known assholery and its impact.

Now, regarding the post-credits scene, all the talk about Cassie wanting to be a hero and the time vortex basically implied to me that one of the rumors about IW2 might be true. I don't know whether or not any of this is true, but it feels assured to me that IW2 is going to begin with Scott's re-emergence into the world in which he then discovers the new status quo.

The mid credit scene kinda felt like the studio asked for it to be there.

I just got back........I don't feel so good.

But seriously the movie was great. I especially loved how they transitioned from regular to IMAX formats. Luis stole the show even more than last time.....to the point where I tried to stop laughing. Also, Ghost continues Marvel Studios' good villain streak, but I'm not sure if I can call her a straight-up villain.

Wololo said:

The mid credit scene kinda felt like the studio asked for it to be there.

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Marvel writers and directors know that MCU films aren't self contained. This whole movie would be completely different if Ant-Man wasn't in Civil War, a movie not written or directed by the people who made Ant-Man and The Wasp.

Man, that mid-credits scene.

Audible gasps in the theater. Die hard fans knew something was going to happen but casual audiences were still shocked. I love that.

Loved the movie. Really looking forward to whatever Scott and Hope end up in next.

That post credits scene was interesting. Everyone and their mother predicted Hank or Hope being dusted but I don't recall any theories about Scott being in the Quantum Realm.

That plus Janet mentioning those time pools or whatever definitely has me intrigued on what roll Scott will play in Avengers 4.

Also that question mark at the end was a dick move.

Wololo said:

The mid credit scene kinda felt like the studio asked for it to be there.

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This is a joke, right?

ZeoVGM said:

Man, that mid-credits scene.

Audible gasps in the theater. Die hard fans knew something was going to happen but casual audiences were still shocked. I love that.

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Yup, my audience was also shocked.

Crazy Izanagi said:

Loved the movie. Really looking forward to whatever Scott and Hope end up in next.

That post credits scene was interesting. Everyone and their mother predicted Hank or Hope being dusted but I don't recall any theories about Scott being in the Quantum Realm.

That plus Janet mentioning those time pools or whatever definitely has me intrigued on what roll Scott will play in Avengers 4.

Also that question mark at the end was a dick move.

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That's like salt in the dust-filled wound, man.

I'm honestly in awe of what we are witnessing here with Marvel Studios. Decades from now, people will be talking about what they managed to pull off in terms of pure quality, one film after another.

Just came back from the movie. As usual, a quality entertaining film from Marvel. Even though I liked the first one better, the sequel has much better action scenes and fight choreography

Pachimari said:

I really think Cassie was one of the best parts of the movie. Just the way, it frames the beginning as some heist that Scott is on, but then Cassie appears in the spotlight and it's just so sweet how it's framed. And she's just so positive and wanting to fight alongside her dad, and how she talks about him needing a partner. And Scott thinks she's talking about Hope but then he asks "who did you imply?" And she says "me." Was way too cute. It was also a wild ride Scott had built at home with a rollercoaster leading all the way outside. That was cool, and it really shows how much Cassie means to Scott.

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Is it me or are they foreshadowing Cassie becoming a superhero like her dad? Like the scenes where she talks about wanting to be Scott's partner instead of Hope. There's also the rumor that they hired an actress to play teenage Cassie in Avengers 4.

I now want something like this to happen in Avengers 4.


Thanos: And who might you be?

Scott: I'm the worlds greatest grandma.(Giant-Man punch!)

Richiek said:

Is it me or are they foreshadowing Cassie becoming a superhero like her dad?

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