I just Watched The Last Jedi, why was it controversial??

Asian girl with bad haircut I think is the main thrust of their argument.

They wanted Luke Skywalker to be not sad and just be a badass and not die and also they don't like women being heroes or appearing while not white and also they wanted Rey to be related to Luke Skywalker because reasons

Many people imagined a different outcome for their hero after 30 years I guess, but no single work will ever be able to live up to the old extended canon and the mountains of fan fiction in people's heads.

They had 35 years of head-canon.

(It was a good movie.)

Garou said:

Many people imagined a different outcome for their hero after 30 years I guess, but no single work will ever be able to live up to the old extended canon and the mountains of fan fiction in people's heads.

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To me that's why I never thought a sequel trilogy was needed (or prequels).

Just a lot of assholes. Movies not perfect but people are toxic. Though Fin should not have been shafted to a garbage sub plot. Like what the fuck?

Leia can't use force powers, Luke has to be a badass jedi, Rey has to stay the entire movie doing MORE training, why stop the pew pew for some rich people being happy because of wars?

Saw it with a friend for the first time the other day. He adored it. We're as stumped as you.

A very good film when focusing on Rey, Kylo, and Luke.

Not so much when focusing on Finn and Rose.

I like Last Jedi overall but it's an uneven experience for me.

Head-canon of what Luke should be was probably the biggest reason for the backlash

I'd say 40% of the outrage was anti-SJW related, 40% head-canon related, and the remainder legitimate criticism for stuff like Canto Bight

Luke threw his lightsaber away, and people took it to be a metaphor for Rian throwing away the meaning of their WHOLE LIVES.

And empowered women.

I'll break it down for you. I don't agree entirely with these points btw because I enjoyed the movie.

• Difference in how the humor is done
• Luke being depressed cranky old man and not some Jedi God.
• Misogynists still hate Rey
• Snoke got killed without some long winded explanation on his backstory
• Rey is a nobody even though TFA tried to build it up as something more.
• Leia does some force stuff which is apparently bad(misogyny strikes again)
• Canto Blight being out of place and fucking with the movie's pacing (which I agree with)
• Luke dying without actually doing some crazy jedi stuff (even though he did some crazy jedi stuff)

There's probably more but that's off the top of my head.

Main issues I am aware of:

• Holdo keeping her plan a secret was unecessary
• Some people felt it was OOC for Luke's character to abandon everyone
• Some people didn't like some of the humor like the your momma joke at the beginning
• Hyperspace ramming is OP
• Quality of the Canto Blight part is up for debate

I think those are the main points of contention I remember.

Maybe read one of the 100 other threads on the matter.

Controversial is not the word i would use. for me it was below expectations.

Not a single lightsaber duel, at no point does a lightsaber touch another lightsaber. .
The whole movie is a super slow space chase.
Coolest character in years (Finn) wasted doing nothing important at all
Oh you can just FTL into big ships now? kind makes that whole finale of Starwars useless. Just FTL the Death Star. Bothans died for nothing !
Luke drank green milk from that weird thing on the island, worst possible fan service
Snoke was built up then turned out to be nothing interesting at all.

I dont hate it, but those are some reasons i did not love it like i love the rest of the series.

There's dozens of reasons.

I think the main reason is that it doesn't feel like a sequel to Episode 7. Feels like some weird fan fiction/spin off movie.

I don't even like Star Wars that much, but the movie was bad.

Some found it too jokey and not serious enough.
Some didn't like it because it didn't answer the questions from TFA how they wanted.
Some is straight sexism.
Some is straight racism.
Some didn't like the Canto Bright stuff because it was too much like the prequels.
Some didn't like how the story didn't play out like they wanted.
"The movie did Luke wrong" by not making him a badass and killling him.
Finn isn't a badass and was wrong a lot.
Some nerds in general are just super upset that the things they loved and invested themselves in for all their lives isn't for them anymore.

That's what I've heard/read repeatedly. And, yeah, there's some actual good criticism out there, but a lot of disingenuous or nitpicky "that's not how I would have done it stuff" drowns out the good discussions to be had.

It seems to be a "not my Luke Skywalker" type thing.

The Luke and Yoda thing was pretty goofy, if I cared much about those characters I might be against it too.

Did you see Luke with a green lightsaber in a fight?

Vern said:

Asian girl with bad haircut I think is the main thrust of their argument.

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No, it wasn't a very good movie. Neither was the force awakens.

Yea some people are assholes and are dogging it for stupid ass reasons like the Asian girl or the white admiral lady.
But the rest of us normal people, some of us just didn't like it. Some people did. Don't know why everyone has to be so fucking hyperbolic about it

Not controversial, just not very good. The movie takes massive logical leaps tyat would make Jurassic World's writers blush and everything outside of the Rey storyline does not work. People focus on Canto Blight but really it is everything related to the chase by the First Order.

People wanted Luke to basically be Thanos in Infinity War. Throwing moons and warping space. Also, they didn't want him to be sad and brooding.

It split fans because there's the half that love the genuine character development and deconstruction of legends that's going on, and then there's the half that had been expecting and wanting a vanilla sequel starring Luke for three decades and didn't get it.

Man if I was Holdo I wouldn't tell Poe my plans either, that guy is a useless asshole and does not deserve to be a big character

What the fuck were people expecting Old Luke to be?

He wasn't even a badass in the original trilogy.

There's a bunch of angles that people come at it from. Some reasonable and sane. Some sexist and racist in nature. Some, just hyperbolic and set up for failure by unrealistic expectations.

But don't let anyone fool you into thinking it's only one thing.

It has some flaws but the main reason people don't like it is because Luke isn't pulling down Star Destroyers with his Jedi powers.

There are a lot of different opinions amongst the detractors.

Personally, I liked the astral projection Luke, and I loved the Rey and Ren stuff, but all the 'chase' and casino world stuff was just terrible.

captive said:

No, it wasn't a very good movie. Neither was the force awakens.

Yea some people are assholes and are dogging it for stupid ass reasons like the Asian girl or the white admiral lady.
But the rest of us normal people, some of us just didn't like it. Some people did. Don't know why everyone has to be so fucking hyperbolic about it

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It wasn't very good I'm with you there. The majority of Star Wars movies aren't very good though so it's not like it's a big shock. It was definitely much more enjoyable than TFA and the prequels just from a visual standpoint. The story is pretty standard Star Wars junk though so...

i wanted to have Holdo and Poe hook up, tbh

The dumb Finn and Rose storyline.

SolVanderlyn said:

People wanted Luke to basically be Thanos in Infinity War. Throwing moons and warping space. Also, they didn't want him to be sad and brooding.

It split fans because there's the half that love the genuine character development and deconstruction of legends that's going on, and then there's the half that had been expecting and wanting a vanilla sequel starring Luke for three decades and didn't get it.

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I don't care about how op Luke is. But imo it's a disgrace we don't get to see him in a lightsaber duel later on.

Because Star Wars diehards thought they were entitled to the version of the movie they had in their heads

konka said:

I mean I guess based on the reaction from some people here I was expecting some abomination of Star Wars and instead I got a Star Wars movie that was strong on character development, especially with adding a new cast of rebels.

I am just baffled that the movie I just watched is what some people apparently take so much issue with. Can somebody explain...

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It's a flawed movie with a narrative around it that requires some people to insist it is either a fantastic film or the worst film ever.

OP there's a relatively calm thread open recently about the positives and negatives, if you're actually interested I suggest you read there.

Vern said:

Asian girl with bad haircut I think is the main thrust of their argument.

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This shit should be bannable.

opens with a prank call

canto bight

chrome dome

Because superman wasn't supposed to be in the movie

I didn't think it was bad, it was just a slog to get through. I felt really indifferent about it after I saw it and it's really the only SW movie I have no desire to ever rewatch again.

I'm with you. I really enjoyed Last Jedi. /shrug

SolVanderlyn said:

People wanted Luke to basically be Thanos in Infinity War. Throwing moons and warping space. Also, they didn't want him to be sad and brooding.

It split fans because there's the half that love the genuine character development and deconstruction of legends that's going on, and then there's the half that had been expecting and wanting a vanilla sequel starring Luke for three decades and didn't get it.

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There's a bunch of folks who's introduction to Star Wars was through the prequel trilogy. Since those were just substanceless action movie wank fests I suppose they were expecting the new ones to be the same. Like not doing a bunch of awkward Yoda flips and kicking ass hurt some feelings.

SOLDIER said:

What the fuck were people expecting Old Luke to be?

He wasn't even a badass in the original trilogy.

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I believe he becomes super powerful in other Star Wars media set after the original trilogy.

Best thing is how they got rid of Snoke so quickly. What a boring rehashed character.

What was J,J. Abrams thinking when he created Snoke.

Because people can't handle Finn and rose because "non racist stereotypical image of beauty reasons." Also they can't handle Luke "dying" in the 5th film of 6 movies despite being totally cool with han dying in 4 of 6.

Basically because they are dumb.

Like others have said, the Finn/Rose storyline was just awful.

The Leia superman scene was just bizarre.

And the fact that the film really didnt do anything to advance the storyline or leave anything for us to yearn for with the 9th movie. This is probably my biggest complaint with canto being a very close second.

Other than that though, I enjoyed the film and thought the imagery and fight scenes were spectacular.

AimLow said:

I'm with you. I really enjoyed Last Jedi. /shrug

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Laura Dern hyperspacing directly into the empirical ships was some of the most effective cinema I've seen

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like they couldn't have programmed a droid to do it, and then Poe takes her out for dinner to make up for being mutinous.

It's a combination of two groups of fans. The first group is those who had their own predetermined head cannon. To them, anything that happened that didn't match up with what was in their heads was going to be trash.

The second group is sexists.

Insecure manbabies.