EU is hot garbage so if they got their hopes up based on that then they got what they deserve.
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I just Watched The Last Jedi, why was it controversial??
- Thread starter konka
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EU is hot garbage so if they got their hopes up based on that then they got what they deserve.
People are really just mad there was no space diner scene. Imagine Luke cutting a steak with a lightsaber. 10/10 movie.
Well maybe not AOTC lmao. But the others, sure. I just didn't really enjoy TLJ, didn't do much for me.
people are dumb, TC.
that is all. It's one of the best entries to the franchise. you got out of it what most people got out of it. ignore the very loud minority.
IDK about the moon slinging and star destroying, but Luke in the OT still has faith in his father to the very end. I don't really understand why he gave up on Kylo so easily. And even in their final moment he doesn't say anything to apologize for how he acted or try to redeem Kylo. I just don't get it, he seems completely different from young Luke. I'd love to see an alternative perspective on Luke's character though, I'm not super hardcore into SW so I may have missed something.
I mean, you're talking about the same fan base that almost drove Jar Jar's actor to suicide
a lot of the loudest criticism you see and hear is from giant manbabies who complain about how Luke wasnt how they pictured him and the stupid idea that "oh it was a film where women >>> men" or whatever sexist bullshit.
not that there aren't legitimate criticisms of the movie but it's a lot of really loud whining is from the same kind of people who decry women in gaming as some secret cultural marxist plot to fuckin idk castrate men or someshit.
not that there aren't legitimate criticisms of the movie but it's a lot of really loud whining is from the same kind of people who decry women in gaming as some secret cultural marxist plot to fuckin idk castrate men or someshit.
People change and people make mistakes. Some mistakes end up being very costly. Welcome to life.
Why? That's the loudest argument I've seen so it must be right.
The hatred for it comes from the rabid fandom the series has created which shits on stuff they really don't like to the point it becomes abusive.
I mean, I didn't like the movie but not every Star Wars movie has been great in the past. It's okay not to like things just as long as you're not a dick about it. They are just movies after all.
I mean, I didn't like the movie but not every Star Wars movie has been great in the past. It's okay not to like things just as long as you're not a dick about it. They are just movies after all.
Please sign my change.org petition for Lucasfilm to insist that astropojection Luke is actually Luuuke, the "real" one was actually Luuke, and that the real Luke is still alive and will get into a lightsaber fight with a Death Star in the next movie.
People are mad there was no Darth Insanius
Would have bee cool :(It has some flaws but the main reason people don't like it is because Luke isn't pulling down Star Destroyers with his Jedi powers.
Ignoring complaints about Rose etc., it was mostly that a lot of fans were unhappy with the portrayal of Luke. They thought he wouldn't have just ran away and hated that angle, hated how he died etc. To be fair, Mark Hamill also didn't agree with it.
Personally, I really liked it.
Personally, I really liked it.
The movie was obviously an attack on male masculinity! I mean who do these women think they are that they can just order Poe around and Rey having the nerve to demand anything of Luke "Fucking" Skywalker and don't even get me started on Rose sexually assaulting Finn.
Ugh! I feel more feminine just thinking about it and now I need to go bake something.
Ugh! I feel more feminine just thinking about it and now I need to go bake something.
I mean, more or less of a silly side adventure than moon worm in E5 or Ewok's in E6?
People gotta learn to chill the fuck out.
I feel like all of it can be summed up as 'because the movie isn't good'
Just like the prequels weren't good and people were over the top with their hate for those.
Star wars turns people into gibbering idiots.
Stray thought not really worth entertaining but here goes anyway:
People upset at Superman recently not being the super bright, cheery, and unwavering source of inspirational chosen one he is most commonly known for was a very large factor in the backlash against those movies. (Primarily Man of Steel, I think.)
The same has happened with Luke Skywalker. The difference is it feels as though more people dog-piled on Superman whereas the Luke thing is a lot more evened out in terms of divisiveness, seemingly.
I like both Episode 8 Luke and Man of Steel Superman very much, but fr what's the reason for this? Like purely talking about the interpretation of beloved and storied characters, Are SW fans just more passionate? Is it CBM Warz? Or do the additional contents of both of these character's respective movies play more into that and we pin things on a misguided whipping boy? Do people know what they like, or is it just an echo-chamber one way or another?
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People upset at Superman recently not being the super bright, cheery, and unwavering source of inspirational chosen one he is most commonly known for was a very large factor in the backlash against those movies. (Primarily Man of Steel, I think.)
The same has happened with Luke Skywalker. The difference is it feels as though more people dog-piled on Superman whereas the Luke thing is a lot more evened out in terms of divisiveness, seemingly.
I like both Episode 8 Luke and Man of Steel Superman very much, but fr what's the reason for this? Like purely talking about the interpretation of beloved and storied characters, Are SW fans just more passionate? Is it CBM Warz? Or do the additional contents of both of these character's respective movies play more into that and we pin things on a misguided whipping boy? Do people know what they like, or is it just an echo-chamber one way or another?
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Well I have to say that they didn't do a good job of showing the change imo. Making a character do the opposite of what he previously would have done without explaining why only adds to the confusion. Also if we're going that route and Luke understood that he made a mistake, why he doesn't do anything to try to redeem himself or Kylo at the end? His final words to him are "See you around, kid." What the hell is that supposed to mean or inspire?
I had to wait about a week to see the movie when it first came out (adult life sux), but I heard there were controversial reactions on the level of "Star Wars is dead to me." I was so curious to see what the hell could have people so up in arms. My guess was there would be a scene where Luke has a vision of the future and he sees modern day Earth, like NYC and shit, lol. My wife thought there might be a semi-graphic sex scene or something sexually inappropriate that didn't fit the generally all-ages vibe of the series. We both walked out of the theater and wondered what the hell people were on about.
Same. Luke wasn't ever really a Jedi and had no lineage with it as a political organization. There's no reason for him to have fought for it nor would he have had any idea how it operated.
There was nothing for him to restore. Dude was a moisture farmer.
It's controversial because it baits and switches the audience in many of the promises it makes in The Force Awakens. Whether that works for you is a matter of personal taste.
I don't really get it either. I think it was a heavily overhyped movie with a crappy B plot and bad last 30 minutes, but really great visuals and a strong a plot.
Moon Worm was like, five minutes. It didn't set up a story arch to only turn around and walk it back later.
Ewoks were the beginning of the end of the franchise being any good
"IT RUINED LUKE FOREVER!!!!, he should be oneshotting kylo ren and pulling starships down to the planet"
Yes, people who don't like the movie liked are assholes.
it's a little dumb, but not really any more dumb than any other Star Wars movie. I didn't enjoy it as much as Force Awakens, but I still found it fun.
That comment gave me pause too...
I read comments like that and just shake my head. I have a feeling they come from people
who went into the theater with their mind made up that they were going to hate it.
I mean I guess they are technically not sabers but polearms, daggers, and such...
The easiest way to see that Star Wars fans are wrong and shouldn't be listened to is that they think Darth Maul is cool. He said what, 2 words in the phantom menace (haven't seen this film since opening night in the cinema so I may be wrong here)? I remembered enough to know that he wasn't even a real character, and he is constantly brought up as a high point in the prequels and a good character in the Star Wars universe. The superfans are very obviously wrong about Star Wars and should be ignored. Please note that this does not make The Last Jedi a good film, but the criticisms of this film by the biggest fans should be put in the trash.
Indeed.
It's widely considered that the Ewoks suck, and the film was at one point going to take place at the Wookiee world and be considerably less silly.
Just because someone is critical of any of the new films, doesn't mean they consider the original three to be flawless. It also doesn't mean they're upset about it. Some are, obviously, but I'm sure many, if not most can criticise it without an emotional investment.
Ren and Rey had the only two lightsabers. and at no point did they duel or have the two lightsabers strike each other.
The Praetorian Guard did not use any lightsabers, they used Vibroblades and an bilari electro-chain whip.
TBF, Maul is redeemed by TCW, which the superfans undoubtedly watched.
Deathwatch arc is GOOD shit.
I think in a way though that kind of points out a problem with TFA and storytellers who like to constantly tease out things and open unlimited possibilities. Let someone run wild and they can satisfy the answer with whatever they want, but when you then start to give them answers, they may not be what they expected and it may anger them. Heck, you saw this previously with Lost, where people loved the opened-ended mystery but when they got the answers they didn't like, or no answers at all, some turned sour very quickly.
For the usual band of sexist/racist idiots, sure. Not even worth giving them attention.
There's also a lot of legitimate criticism leveled at some of the character and plot choices in the movie, whether they be well received or not.
For me, some of it worked, most of it didn't (especially the humor, which felt largely at odds with the serious situation, but didnt balance it well like Infinity War did for example). I at least liked that it tried something different in theory, just didn't care much for the execution.
This is such a nit picky thing. So it deserves a nit picky response.
In the flashbacks Luke and Kylo's lightsabers touch. They also have a duel at the end.
I took it this way:
Luke went through something similar with his father. Darth Vader ruined the person of Anakin Skywalker, helped bring an oppressive rule to the once democratic galaxy, and was responsible for the suffering of countless victims. Luke, as an idealistic young man, of course had one thought in his mind - that's my father, and I'm going to save him.
He then had years and years of growth in which he got to reflect upon what his father had actually done to the galaxy. He became an adult with a much more nuanced perspective on life, the choices people make, and their consequences. Couple this with the experiences he had fighting the empire, and you get a very strong impulse to never let a similar situation happen again.
So, Luke uses this impulse to train a new generation of Jedi. To bring order back to the galaxy. Then, his own nephew starts idolizing Darth Vader and showing tendencies towards the dark side. Luke flips out. This is the exact opposite of what he wanted to happen. The film itself glosses over it, but there's the implication that Ben's conversion to the dark side was a gradual one, one Luke was trying to talk him out of. The night he went to his tent, he mentions wanting to talk to Ben - but sees for the first time the depths of his depravity. Massively attuned to the force, he feels the cancerous dark side in him, and is reminded of everything he fought against, and everything he's now trying to defend. He sees the shadow of Vader right in front him. In an act of raw emotion and impulse, he ignites his lightsaber. For a split second, he forgets Ben and only sees evil. He realizes this instantly, of course, but Ben has already seen him looming over him with an ignited blade.
I found it completely believable that Luke could do something like that, and that the experience afterward, with Ben actually becoming Kylo Ren and joining Snoke (and killing all of his fellow students), would deeply affect him, precisely because he is such an idealistic person. He had to deal with what he perceived as his absolute failure to the galaxy and to his own family, and it ruined him.
They glow red and make womp womp sounds.
It sufficiently fulfilled the fantasy of seeing science-fantasy tech on medieval weapons being used in mortal combat.