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Kyoufu

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Terrible use of comedy, plot threads not carried over from TFA, character betrayals and subplots that wasted new characters, and more. It's not just a bad Star Wars movie but a bad movie in general. It's beautiful to look at but miserable to watch. It's somehow worse than TFA which is the most disappointing thing about it for me. I didn't think they could mess it up this much, but they did. TLJ started and finished in the same exact place. It's a waste of a trilogy episode.
 

MistaTwo

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Oct 24, 2017
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God I hope that's a copypasta because if not that above is a perfect example of why people don't take TLJ critics seriously. Kylo isn't attractive enough and his story should've been about disfigurement...good grief.

Yuuuuup.

The movie wasn't perfect (almost none are), but most of the hardcore critics who think its the worst thing ever probably don't have the creative sense
to put together macaroni art.
 

HTupolev

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's weird to me that there's this continual idea that it's a reviled film when everyone I know that went and saw it liked it--some people weren't big on certain aspects, but generally people liked it.
An unusually high fraction of TLJ's viewers strongly disliked the film. Whenever this happens, you get an echo chamber: not only are the negative voices the loudest to begin with, but people don't usually like having positive conversation through a raging firestorm, so positive voices get suppressed.
There's also frequently an accompanying review-bombing effect that tricks people into thinking that the negative group is bigger than it is. A good indicator is to look at the distribution of reviews: for instance, TLJ's user reviews are bi-modal to a somewhat ridiculous degree.
 

Ryouji Gunblade

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Oct 26, 2017
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People don't like random humor bits, subversion of their expectations, and other nitpicky stuff that may have existed in other movies. The superman scene never bothered me as much as sand, or Jar-Jar, or Anakin in general.
 

Laser Man

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's so controversial because all the reasonable fans were already taken by Star Trek, the crazy people all went to Star Wars and they are going ham now!
 

Ascenion

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Again, Rian Johnson consulted J.J. while writing TLJ as they had to look for and correct inconsistencies like Luke originally emanating lifting rocks at the end of TFA.

This will ofc go unaddressed as no person who genuinely argues that TLJ doesn't directly and succinctly follow the plot of TFA seemed to pay attention:

I caught all of that. Of course it has to do that, it literally picks up right where TFA ends. I'm talking more about continuing those plot points in a manner consistent with what JJ started. Rian doesn't do this. JJ is out here saying he clearly didn't want Rey to be a nobody and TFA basically screams at you that her parantage matters. I'm positive it's going to be retconed in IX. You're making surface level connections with some of that. Rian obviously has to make the film his own, and I don't want him to just tow the line. Snoke and Rey's parents are misfires imo. The Knights of Ren being absent is odd. Especially given the Jedi temple flashbacks don't make sense. Maybe this is me adding artificial importance to things that really weren't. I dunno. I'm not a film maker so I'm trying not to judge to harshly. TLJ was too long as it is.
 

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Because it didn't play out like fan fiction. Fans wanted:
  1. Luke Skywalker to come back and cut down hundreds in some epic fight
  2. Rei to be either Luke or Obi-Wans kid
  3. Snoke to be either Palpatine or Plageus or however the hell it is spelt.
Instead we got a Star Wars film that was completely not what people expected and it's glorious.
 

Zed

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think the movie would have been received much better if
Luke actually fought at the end instead of being a glorified hologram. They even sort of foreshadowed it with the sunken X-Wing. If Rey and Chewbacca could make it to the battle in time Luke could of (he would have a delayed start but he doesn't lose time like Rey did with Snoke and Kylo).

Luke Skywalker is legendary figure in the cultural imagination of people. Lots of people are angry that he died with a whimper. Alternatively, you could just straight up not obviously have him die at the end. That way he can return or stay dead in 9 depending on how the next director wants the story to go since there is no blueprint for this trilogy.
 

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I think the movie would have been received much better if
Luke actually fought at the end instead of being a glorified hologram. They even sort of foreshadowed it with the sunken X-Wing. If Rey and Chewbacca could make it to the battle in time Luke could of (he would have a delayed start but he doesn't lose time like Rey did with Snoke and Kylo).

Luke Skywalker is legendary figure in the cultural imagination of people. Lots of people are angry that he died with a whimper. Alternatively, you could just straight up not obviously have him die at the end. That way he can return or stay dead in 9 depending on how the next director wants the story to go since there is no blueprint for this trilogy.
Not giving Kylo the satisfaction of killing him (not to mentioned he would have died from all the laser blasts anyway) added a ton of weight. Made Kylo more broken going into 9.

The "see you around kid" after Kylo realized he was being trolled, was perfect.
 

Crossing Eden

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I caught all of that. Of course it has to do that, it literally picks up right where TFA ends. I'm talking more about continuing those plot points in a manner consistent with what JJ started. Rian doesn't do this. JJ is out here saying he clearly didn't want Rey to be a nobody and TFA basically screams at you that her parantage matters.
J.J. loved the film's themes, Rey included and he knew about the story before TFA was even released. J.J. went on record saying he had some ideas about where he personally would've wrote TLJ, but that doesn't mean that the plot points of TLJ are inconsistent with TFA, quite the opposite, they go along with it incredibly well.

The Knights of Ren being absent is odd. Especially given the Jedi temple flashbacks don't make sense. Maybe this is me adding artificial importance to things that really weren't
You're so close to having an epiphany.
 

StuBurns

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Another Last Jedi thread, same bullshit.

Some people simply didn't like it. Just like anything else. I will never understand why the people that do like it have decided they need to create a narrative for those who didn't.

I had no issues with Luke being this totally depressed and defeated figure. Thank fuck Rey wasn't a Skywalker or Kenobi. Don't give a fuck about where Snoke came from. I still didn't like the movie.

Every movie that has ever existed has had people not like it.
This is a really tough subject. For some reason, this specific film has become like the centre for it.

It is frustrating, not liking this film and seeing all criticism reduced to head-canon or Nazi-ism. But on the other hand, I kind of understand those responses. I don't think it's that they're fanboys who can't handle criticism, it's that they can't trust criticism to be authentic, and not being argued for nefarious reasons. It should be absurd to believe that could be the case, but it's clearly not, when you have Nazis saying they use online games to recruit and stuff.

When the gamer gate thing happened, and I saw the 'it's about ethics in game journalism' thing, I was seriously pissed off, because that's a topic that wholly should be discussed. 1UP posted a bad review of a Sony game, Sony blacklisted them, the writer of the review 'left', Sony worked with 1UP again... That is sketchy as all fuck. And it should have been a huge topic of discussion, but it couldn't be because it's just too close to something ultimately far more serious and cancerous.

I don't like casino world, it's really bad, and I wish it wasn't in the film. But no one knows if I really feel like that, or I just don't like Asians or women.

Ultimately I think it's justifiable to lean on the side of distrust, as saddening as that is.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
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- The Poe/Finn/Rose plot-line was awful
- The humor was misplaced
- Rey is increasing power level too easily (continuing from TFA)

Those are my only real problems with it. The problem is the first point is half of the entire movie.
 

Crossing Eden

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I think the movie would have been received much better if
Luke actually fought at the end instead of being a glorified hologram. They even sort of foreshadowed it with the sunken X-Wing. If Rey and Chewbacca could make it to the battle in time Luke could of (he would have a delayed start but he doesn't lose time like Rey did with Snoke and Kylo).

Luke Skywalker is legendary figure in the cultural imagination of people. Lots of people are angry that he died with a whimper. Alternatively, you could just straight up not obviously have him die at the end. That way he can return or stay dead in 9 depending on how the next director wants the story to go since there is no blueprint for this trilogy.
The film literally shows us what would've happened if Luke was there:
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I think the movie would have been received much better if
Luke actually fought at the end instead of being a glorified hologram. They even sort of foreshadowed it with the sunken X-Wing. If Rey and Chewbacca could make it to the battle in time Luke could of (he would have a delayed start but he doesn't lose time like Rey did with Snoke and Kylo).

Luke Skywalker is legendary figure in the cultural imagination of people. Lots of people are angry that he died with a whimper. Alternatively, you could just straight up not obviously have him die at the end. That way he can return or stay dead in 9 depending on how the next director wants the story to go since there is no blueprint for this trilogy.

His death was stupid though. I really felt like Rian wanted to have his cake after eating it. Luke comes out to fight and everyone thinks he will make some heroic sacrifice like Obi Wan which is fine but he survives which is even better! He lives, the movie didn't play out as expected. But then he dies anyway!
 

MistaTwo

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Not giving Kylo the satisfaction of killing him (not to mentioned he would have died from all the laser blasts anyway) added a ton of weight. Made Kylo more broken going into 9.

The "see you around kid" after Kylo realized he was being trolled, was perfect.

This man gets it. If he actually goes to the planet there are basically two ways it plays out:

A) Luke shows up and throws AT-ATs around like rag dolls with jesus force powers

B) Luke shows up and gets murdered

Neither of those scenarios are nearly as interesting as what we actually got.
 

Crossing Eden

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But Luke was training for that moment his entire life with that official Padawin training device Han happened to have in the Millennium Falcon in A New Hope!
George Lucas totally planned out that scene with the kids all training the exact same way Luke does while Yoda watches. His SW films were hella planned out. Not like this new trilogy which has way less if any inconsistencies than both the prequels and OT.
 

BossAttack

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The film literally shows us what would've happened if Luke was there:
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*sigh*

Why must people insist that Luke couldn't have survived that assault had he physically been there? The entire scene is premised on the idea that he can survive such an assault. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a high-level Force user, such as Luke, could actually survive such an attack all on their own.
 

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*sigh*

Why must people insist that Luke couldn't have survived that assault had he physically been there? The entire scene is premised on the idea that he can survive such an assault. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a high-level Force user, such as Luke, could actually survive such an attack all on their own.
And then you let Kylo have the satisfaction of murdering him?
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
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They wanted Luke Skywalker to be not sad and just be a badass and not die and also they don't like women being heroes or appearing while not white and also they wanted Rey to be related to Luke Skywalker because reasons

Love how people treat the groups that were critical as monoliths.

I'm a LGBT brown girl and I thought the movie was stupid and handled Rey's relationship with Kylo Ren really badly. As in it was extremely sexist how they wrote Rey and Ben Solo.

"You're a monster"

"You're a murderer"

"You're not alone : )"

The fuck is this shit?
 
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Why must people insist that Luke couldn't have survived that assault had he physically been there? The entire scene is premised on the idea that he can survive such an assault. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a high-level Force user, such as Luke, could actually survive such an attack all on their own.
Why must we entertain the hypothetical that he could have survived that had he physically been there?

This goes back to my remark earlier that a good chunk of the complaints are about things not being what they wanted or imagined, and nit-picky stuff. Like, we're supposed to entertain that he could have survived if he was there, but we can't entertain that Leia was a high level force user capable of moving through space to save herself in a desperate manner, despite the fact we know she is a force user and we see her in the movie use her powers as described, not in a makeshift hypothetical.
 

ZackieChan

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The "it's the fans who are wrong" posts are really tiring. Is it so hard to imagine that people just don't think it's a good movie?
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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This was literally the only thing I didn't like about the movie. Not because it was a bad scene per se but because it just looked so goddamn weird and awkward. Could've been done better. Other than that TLJ was a fantastic movie and the 'fans' need to get their heads out of their asses ASAP.

Disliking a movie doesn't mean my head is in my ass.
 

BossAttack

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And then you let Kylo have the satisfaction of murdering him?

I didn't say the story needed him to be there, I said it is not outside the realm of possibility that had he been there he would have survived. The scene is premised on the idea that you buy he can survive such an assault and Kylo Ren, a trained Force User, also beleives it.

No it isn't. It's premised on the idea that his in-universe mythology allows him to bullshit that.

The Sequel Trilogy opens with Kylo Ren Force stopping a laser bolt in mid-air. So no, it is not unrealistic to believe that Luke could survive such an attack. The fact that Kylo Ren believes this sells it. He's the one that knew Rey couldn't be connecting them through The Force as it would kill her. He knows how powerful The Force can be, so the fact that he bought that Luke could survive such an attack tells us it's not something he considers impossible.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Love how people treat the groups that were critical as monoliths.

I'm a LGBT brown girl and I thought the movie was stupid and handled Rey's relationship with Kylo Ren really badly. As in it was extremely sexist how they wrote Rey and Ben Solo.

"You're a monster"

"You're a murderer"

"You're not alone : )"

The fuck is this shit?
Kylo is hot but I'll agree that pairing is problematic af
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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The main reason was because people felt like Luke was out of character.

It was a huge risk, writing him that way. For me, it paid off.

TLJ has issues but IMO Luke was absolutely not one of them.
 

Crossing Eden

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*sigh*

Why must people insist that Luke couldn't have survived that assault had he physically been there? The entire scene is premised on the idea that he can survive such an assault. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a high-level Force user, such as Luke, could actually survive such an attack all on their own.
It was just one of many examples of foreshadowing to show that he wasn't actually there. Luke's a force sensitive human, he absolutely could not survive that assault in anyway shape or form.

I didn't say the story needed him to be there, I said it is not outside the realm of possibility that had he been there he would have survived. The scene is premised on the idea that you buy he can survive such an assault and Kylo Ren, a trained Force User, also beleives it.
We're supposed to take something that Kylo believes at face value now? Irrational ass manchild who throws temper tantrums, that Kylo Ren?
 

Hydeus

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Nov 4, 2017
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I mean I guess based on the reaction from some people here I was expecting some abomination of Star Wars and instead I got a Star Wars movie that was strong on character development, especially with adding a new cast of rebels.

I am just baffled that the movie I just watched is what some people apparently take so much issue with. Can somebody explain...

Expectations vs reality.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
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Why must we entertain the hypothetical that he could have survived that had he physically been there?

This goes back to my remark earlier that a good chunk of the complaints are about things not being what they wanted or imagined, and nit-picky stuff. Like, we're supposed to entertain that he could have survived if he was there, but we can't entertain that Leia was a high level force user capable of moving through space to save herself in a desperate manner, despite the fact we know she is a force user and we see her in the movie use her powers as described, not in a makeshift hypothetical.

Luke trained all his life to hone his powers. If we had an inkling that Luke trained Leia then yes, it'd be conceivable but the movie and the director treats it as Leia's moment of awakening which is kinda dumb. The Force isn't the Mangyeko Sharingan. But that's all forgivable. The worst part is just that it's cheesily directed. And not fun cheese, but cringe-inducing cheese. The only other time I heard groans in the theatre was Rose's last line about saving the things they love.
 

Kyoufu

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It was just one of many examples of foreshadowing to show that he wasn't actually there. Luke's a force sensitive human, he absolutely could not survive that assault in anyway shape or form.

Maybe if he had helped sooner they wouldn't have gotten to that position. It's baffling that he took so long to decide to help his sister.
 

BossAttack

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Luke trained all his life to hone his powers. If we had an inkling that Luke trained Leia then yes, it'd be conceivable but the movie and the director treats it as Leia's moment of awakening which is kinda dumb. The Force isn't the Mangyeko Sharingan. But that's all forgivable. The worst part is just that it's cheesily directed. And not fun cheese, but cringe-inducing cheese. The only other time I heard groans in the theatre was Rose's last line about saving the things they love.

I never saw it that way at all.
 

Stiler

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Oct 29, 2017
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Where to begin,

The Last Jedi basically sets itself up to destroy the foundations that TFA setup. Who is Rey's parents? Nobodies. Rey's journey to bring Luke his Lightsaber? Just toss it in the ocean for a laugh. Snoke? Who? Oh lets just kill him off quickly, no need for any backstory or anything interesting. Yoda? A laughing stock.

The movie basically takes the interesting threads that TFA laid forth and it seems Rian simply wanted to shit all over that and make EVERYTHING a joke, and not even a good joke at that.

Luke:

Luke isn't the type of character to literally bury his head in the sand, he created the problem with Kylo and he knew what was going to happen, so what does he do? Well according to TLJ he simply buries his head in the sand, lets Kylo go around the universe killing innocent people, waging war, he lets them kill Leia's people, on top of this he actively wants to destroy the Jedi order and rid it from the universe. Does this is ANY way seem like something Luke from the OT would do? Or would he man up, go after Kylo after that happened and try to figure out a way to stop him, just like he did after he lost his hand to Vader and then comes back in ROTJ kicking Jabba's ass to save Han and then proceed to rescue the rebellion from the Empire? It was completely against the type of character that Luke was shown to be in the OT.

Then there's the whole Yoda bit. Like that's not Yoda. When Luke first meets Yoda and Yoda is being super annoying to him he was TESTING Luke, seeing his true character.. When Luke finally finds out that he's the person he came to find Yoda does NOT act like that anymore the rest of the movie nor does he act like that in the prequels, at all. He isn't some annoying "funny alien" but Rian seemed to not understand that aspect from the ESB.

Then lastly that final "fight" with Luke. Like, if he was going to die, why not go in person? Actually see Leia and everything in person, he could still have done the whole "ghost" thing to throw off the first order, but he could have actually physically fought against them too, which would have just been great to see at least once.

Then you have Rose and Finn:

When we are introduced to Rose she is literally stopping deserters from leaving because her sister was the one who sacrificed herself at the start during the space battle. Rose did not want her sisters sacrifice to be for nothing and this was her way to do that. She cared deeply for the rebellion and wanted her sisters sacrifice to have meaning and see it through.

Enter Finn, she doesn't know him but within a few hours of being with him she's fallen head over heels for him in love, a very one-sided love too. A love that is so strong that she is completely and utterly willing to not only throw her sisters sacrifice down the drain but the ENTIRE rebellion, over a guy she literally JUST met and has known for a few hours.

Finn on the other hand was a huge waste in the movie. The entire trip to the casino planet felt utterly pointless. Finn was wasted for the purpose of creating a bit of comic relief, nothing vital to the main storyline of the movie at all. The point when he had something to do that impacted this was his moment of sacrifice, to stop the first order and save the Rebels, but oh yeah, Rose stops that because she "loves" him and then he somehow magically loves her back? Like where is the build up or anything to this storyline? I've seen better "love stories" written in half-hour cartoons.

Kylo and Rey:

This to me was the strongest aspect of the story. The potential for Kylo and Rey to work together, to end up forging something new, something different, to break from the tradition of the "Empire vs Rebel" shtick that Star Wars has focused on for nine straight movies. Snoke out the way, the first Order can be dissolved, Rey can help teach Kylo and bend his anger away from the dark side and they can take the story in a new direction for the next movie. They push it far, they tease this, they make you think "oh something might happen" only for them to go "nah, forget that all" and they end up basically making Kylo a generic "villain" instead of an interesting complex character that they could have.

Leia:

The infamous space scene. We know Leia is force sensitive like Luke. The issue isn't that she has powers nor that she can use them, it was the absurdity of how that scene was shot and portrayed. Having her be blown into space, then come back to her being unconscious after a short time, she suddenly "wakes up" (in the vacuum of space mind you) and then does that dramatic pull to the ship. It was just so out of left field, my entire theater literally burst out into laughter (and I'm pretty sure that was not the intended affect they were going for).

The scene would have made faaaaar more sense had they simply showed her getting sucked out into space and then holding her breath and having her "pull" herself back all within that one scene (so within just a few seconds), rather then having her be unconscious and then wakeup (however long it was after).


The whole movie just felt sloppy, like they should have had someone to work out the overall story arc for the trilogy and characters instead of just passing the second movie in a trilogy to another guy, that just screams disaster to me.
 

Crossing Eden

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Luke trained all his life to hone his powers. If we had an inkling that Luke trained Leia then yes, it'd be conceivable but the movie and the director treats it as Leia's moment of awakening which is kinda dumb. The Force isn't the Mangyeko Sharingan. But that's all forgivable. The worst part is just that it's cheesily directed. And not fun cheese, but cringe-inducing cheese. The only other time I heard groans in the theatre was Rose's last line about saving the things they love.
The movie doesn't treat it as Leia's awakening in anyway shape or form. We've known for over 40 years of cinema that she's force sensitive. Even TFA includes a reminder when Han dies:
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Agent Unknown

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Ignore the haters, OP. Like any SW movie it has its flaws but I loved TLJ, it's easily in my top three all time fave SW films. Conversely, I get a lot of deja vu with TLJ because I really enjoyed TPM back in 1999, then after getting out of the theater the rest of the summer was reading non stop, venomous hate on Ain't It Cool News talkback threads (shudder) and the rest of the internet for how 100% awful and life ruining the movie was supposed to be. And man, do I feel even worse for Ahmed Best now than I did back then after he recently revealed he wanted to commit suicide during the Jar Jar backlash. :(

Well I have to say that they didn't do a good job of showing the change imo. Making a character do the opposite of what he previously would have done without explaining why only adds to the confusion. Also if we're going that route and Luke understood that he made a mistake, why he doesn't do anything to try to redeem himself or Kylo at the end? His final words to him are "See you around, kid." What the hell is that supposed to mean or inspire?

But Luke DID try to redeem Kylo halfway through the fight. At one point he said 'I'm sorry, Ben! I failed you!' What does Kylo do? He responds by yelling at Luke 'I'm sure you're sorry!! That's why the rebellion and your friends are all going to die!' To me at that point Luke is like, 'lol welp, I tried one more time! You really want to kill your mom and the rebels? OoooK. Guess I'm gonna troll ya REAL hard now!' I liked the "See you around, kid" line because A) It shows Luke has matured, he still wants to believe in redemption but he is also no longer willing to pull out all the stops just to redeem one person just because they are a Skywalker family member and B) as Hamill himself hinted on Twitter a month or two ago that line *might* be foreshadowing for Ep. 9 if Luke comes back. Even if Luke doesn't come back in episode 9 it's still an appropriate line and a bit of well deserved comeuppance because at that point in the movie Kylo has had multiple chances to turn himself around but he still wants to be a whiny brat and murder everyone.

A friend of mine also had an interesting take when I asked him what he thought of all the backlash for Luke in TLJ, his response: "I thought he was the same as ever! He was whiny and still needed guidance just like young Luke." And THAT is why Yoda bops him on the head with his cane in the tree burning scene. Haha
 
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The main reason was because people felt like Luke was out of character.

It was a huge risk, writing him that way. For me, it paid off.
I guess, but Luke being a hothead existed in the original trilogy, as well as him showing signs of shortsightedness and personal weakness, almost giving into temptation, etc.

I would think the bigger issue would be Yoda going from super serious, never cracking a joke, to being a crazy, joking, hermit later in life. Luke from OT to NT has somewhat of a through-line. Yoda PT to OT doesn't, or to a much lesser degree. And, why people need more flashbacks spelling things out precisely is just bizarre and bad storytelling.
 

PBalfredo

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This was literally the only thing I didn't like about the movie. Not because it was a bad scene per se but because it just looked so goddamn weird and awkward.
This is the complaint I 100% do not understand. She's in zero g and used the force to push herself back towards the ship. What else do you expect?
 

Seesaw15

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Why must people insist that Luke couldn't have survived that assault had he physically been there? The entire scene is premised on the idea that he can survive such an assault. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a high-level Force user, such as Luke, could actually survive such an attack all on their own.
Nah. A Jedi Master had to bounce because two droideka's were giving him a hard time. Luke would survive if Genndy Tartakovsky was directing but otherwise the Jedi on film have always been depicted as mortals.
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Soap

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It was too long with too many endings. Also, the mystery of Snoke lead nowhere.

People calling out manbabies is one thing, but I can assure you that my interest in Star Wars as a universe is passable... It's just that the film was boring and bad.
 

Crossing Eden

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Nah. A Jedi Master had to bounce because two droideka's were giving him a hard time. Luke would survive if Genndy Tartakovsky was directing but otherwise the Jedi on film have always been depicted as mortals.
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And the only time they do insane things with the force is on planets that are closely aligned with the force itself.