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16 year old MAGA bro gets soda thrown at him at Whataburger
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Opinions relate to and are formulated by the history of the poster in question. So does their identity. 2016 was literally won by white nationalist identity politics. That is a buzz word created to ignore race issues.
I desire free speech and no more violence. I know this is not possible, so I understand the need to end assembly of hate groups NOW. No more hate groups, no more hate symbols, no more violence. You cannot have these things coexist in practical reality, so aim for what is just.
They actually tried to appease the Nazis through talking and giving them benefit of the doubt. It didn't work out so well.
Also in response to the lynching pictures,
I don't think you should use the organization that defended the KKK, Neo-Nazis, gun rights, NAMBLA, and the Westboro Baptist Church as some kind of shield. They have zero interest in the ramification of speech, they are strict constitutionalists who stan for a totally broken system no matter the cost.
From their site:
"So-called Hate speech" they say about Nazis and the KKK. The ACLU is garbage. Take a look at that last part though, they agree that harmful speech can be punished. People have the right to say what they want, they also have a right to take a soda bath.
Also in response to the lynching pictures,
Not a racist. He's just a confused sailor.
EDIT: You're right Skelepuzzle. It is actually the same length. The reporter talking over it made me think it was a smaller clip.
I know the OP posted a video but thought people would find the full, unedited clip interesting for those who haven't seen it. The man (30 year old Jimenez Kino) has been arrested.
Transcript (from what I can hear):
Jimenez: You ain't supporting the President.
You ain't supporting shit ni**a.
Bitch ass motherfucker.
Hunter: Ok...
Jimenez: This is going to go great in my fucking fireplace bitch.
Hunter: Alright, have fun with it.
I know the OP posted a video but thought people would find the full, unedited clip interesting for those who haven't seen it. The man (30 year old Jimenez Kino) has been arrested.
Transcript (from what I can hear):
Jimenez: You ain't supporting the President.
You ain't supporting shit ni**a.
Bitch ass motherfucker.
Hunter: Ok...
Jimenez: This is going to go great in my fucking fireplace bitch.
Hunter: Alright, have fun with it.
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They actually tried to appease the Nazis through talking and giving them benefit of the doubt. It didn't work out so well.
Also in response to the lynching pictures,
This is what MAGA and Trump have emboldened. These fucks think they can do this and get away scott free. Sadly sometimes they do.
Back to stan some more for the shitheel with the MAGA cap.
Funny how all your posts in here have been like this. Almost like you might have an agenda...
Yeah that's prob been cut down, kid probably started filming way earlier and even if he didn't... maybe don't wear the hat next time haha
This doesn't show what lead up to the incident. I think it is literally the same length of time or close to it? Though I appreciate an update regarding the speech being uncensored.
That's what pissed me off. The hat is basically the symbol of hate and racism towards all minorities to me now.
I've been pounding this all night in the thread. MAGA is absolutely positively a symbol of hate.
It's not some cutesy oh I just like the president thing. It has a meaning, and it ain't good
I can't share your optimism. I hope but doubt much will change even with a big win for the Dems. And if they don't win big in the coming months oh man.
Eh....at one point my dad had a maga hat in his office, i threw it out, because i would end up in jail if someone laid hands on him or threw a drink in his face. I had to tell him that, let that sink in. He needed to know the hat didn't mean what he thought it meant. Or what it has been associated with since Trunp became president. I hope dude in the video confronts people his own size. Idk if that incident will scare that kid (and his friends) straight or drive him to triple down with some Twitter hate group.
Probably triple down knowing how the internet works.
Eye for an eye leads to everyone blind.
Not racist...They actually tried to appease the Nazis through talking and giving them benefit of the doubt. It didn't work out so well.
Also in response to the lynching pictures,
An opinion shouldn't be legitimized over another's by the experiences or history of the person but by the utilization of logic, facts, and argumentation by which it is substantiated. Otherwise two people, one black, the other white, making the exact same argument are not on equal grounds by virtue of their identity. That's bullshit.
Since you believe free (hate) speech and no more violence isn't possible, where do you draw the line if you end freedom of assembly for certain things but not for others? Once you begin where do you stop? It's a slippery slope. Because you may say for hate groups, then people will be crying to stop LBGT, etc.
Very true, either the kid's lying or the witness is lying. Sorry, no agenda here, not really standing for anyone. If the kid's lying about the events leading up then I can somewhat understand (although still not support) why Jimenez was driven to such a reaction but if it truly was an unprovoked attack then I think this is an all around bad look for Jimenez.
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"I grew up in a place where I was a minority."
Pay close attention to how this is worded. I have seen this specific wording when it is a white person who grew up in a neighborhood that was predominately non-white but the rest of the country is.
How about you start and stop at nazis? You know, the group whose entire ideology consists of ethnic cleansing? And that has actually put that ideology in practice, leading to the death of millions of people already.
Goddamnit this is like the 5th time Bad Religion has beaten me to a joke.
Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw through that bullshit line.
100% he's white trying to pull off the minority card.
So you're saying that hate speech is actually violence. You have been called all these things and been treated like crap psychologically. Psychological scarring from crap like that can literally take years of your life.
We also have white supremacists coming out of the wood works now telling people to their faces that they should die or that their days are numbered because Trump is in office in public and often recorded on camera. The fact you cannot see similarities to other white supremacist fascist movements is dumbfounding. Today it may not be about the jews as much as back then, today it's about muslims and how they're being prosecuted and treated. The fucking travel ban is one of the biggest red flags there is. Or how we have kidnapped immigrant children and put them in concentration camps.
You are either blind or totally ignorant to the history of fascism and how it operates or starts and why people are fighting back, even if it means having to punch first. And in this particular case, no one punched, someone just got some coke all over their face.
Do you even feel this way about Richard Spencer getting punched in the face so often?
Logic, facts, and argumentation are influenced by the identity of a person. I am not going to believe a male feminist over a female feminist who have equal professional and educational backgrounds. I'd be taking away the life experience of the female for the male, when the female has actually lived their experience. Living something lends it legitmacy, otherwise you'd be arguing that the black caucus should be white.
I end the freedom for assembly of things based on groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center's identification, an expert on hate groups. It's honestly pretty easy to tell who is and isn't an extremist hate group at this point. "Jews will not replace us?". "Blood and soil?" Tiki torches en masse? You should not assemble, batter, and kill people. Identify iconography, phrases, etc, and don't allow them to exist.
Exactly.
This is why I think it's completely acceptable to call it out in public. Just not in a way that could get the book thrown at you for assault.
Some people really need to read up on psychological abuse and the affects it has on the brain, the body, and the person overall. Hate speech falls into that category because hate speech is used to dehuminize the person and/or people to make them feel like they do not belong in this world and that you are not even a person. This can lead to many dark moments such as suicide.
And that is the goal of those who use hate speech. THEY WANT YOU DEAD
And that is the goal of those who use hate speech. THEY WANT YOU DEAD
The man is a hero. Fuck the SAPD for arresting him. Don't they have better things to then to arrest innocent people?
This is way off topic, but though I know pride month is over, I really miss your rainbow skellie haha
As for the actual topic, good. Screw Trumpers and screw civility at this point. These sons of bitches are literally tearing this country down around us every second they stay in power.
Some people aren't content to just be devoured by the beast without trying to bite back. Good for them.
Despite going Native for the 4th of July, then back to normal, the rainbow skeleton is back for you baby! I actually liked it quite a bit too, lol. I'll at least keep it till the end of July.
Fuck this kid. A MAGA hat is a deliberate provocation.
Even if he didn't spew the racist bile, the hat is enough.
Even if he didn't spew the racist bile, the hat is enough.
Logic and facts are influenced by nothing, they simply are. Argumentation I'd posit is determined by the ability to utilize the former to effective means, partly through nature and partly through nurture (meaning education, but not necessarily through one's personal experiences and identity). The problem with taking someone's identity into account is that it's not viewing their position on what it is but from who it is. That allows bias and prejudice to skew and disregard and throw out logic, facts, and argumentation in favor of subjectivity. If you do that, there's no end to shifting the goal posts. Arguments cannot be won.
You want to disallow assembly propagating morally repugnant ideas, but what about my example of LGBT? Because rest assured, there are people out there, very powerful institutions in fact, who view homosexuality as morally repugnant. Many of these people believe and argue that promoting this lifestyle can be psychologically damaging. Sure, I understand this isn't anything like shoving people into ovens by the millions, I'm not making such a comparison, just to show in principle it's the same idea: who's to determine on what basis is something morally acceptable to allow assembly?
Either you allow it all and take means to mitigate the consequences of the worst, or you allow none and sacrifice the allowance of the most beneficial. I don't see how people holding different standards of morality can be compatible with freedom of expression and assembly if you say "X is allowable but Y isn't".
Absolutely disgusting. I can't believe people here advocate and encourage violence against others because of their political views. It shows how much screwed up you are.
In a perfectly sterilized environment such as a laboratory examining something, then yes. However, we are dealing with human sciences here. Every publication, every viewpoint, etc, is based on the writer and their publication as well as their history and culture. Would you really trust the opinion regarding a hate symbol's legitimacy of a young white male American's over a living holocaust survivor's?
LGBTQ+ organizations are not viewed as a hate group and would need such assertion by a well organized group to get to disassembly. If we stood up and argued against hate speech as a whole they would not end up in the dystopia you are describing.
Lol, you're only mad cause the roles are reversed for once.
This argument doesn't hold any water because speech has always held restrictions, even in the U.S. You can't directly threaten to kill someone, certain acts of defamation are illegal, you can't incite panic by yelling fire etc. The fact that certain countries have gone a step further and chosen to outlaw harmful speech that targets specific groups does not somehow make them any more oppressive.
What rolls? I don't advocate violence against people. It's absolutely disgusting how you and other advocate violence against others.
I presume you hold the same rigid view when talking about ISIS supporters right?
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