An establishing shot to make Kylo look intimidating by hindering a single soldier's attack isn't really suggestive at what Luke can and can't do when facing off against a massive army,
It sells that Luke's mythical reputation is strong to those within the Star Wars universe.
I heard no groans in my theater in that moment. The problem with "cheesy" and "cringe" is that it is entirely personal, for whatever valid or nefarious reasons, much like what we find funny or erotic.
Nah. A Jedi Master had to bounce because two droideka's were giving him a hard time. Luke would survive if Genndy Tartakovsky was directing but otherwise the Jedi on film have always been depicted as mortals.
I agree, there was really no point to it if he was going to die anyway.
The movie doesn't treat it as Leia's awakening in anyway shape or form. We've known for over 40 years of cinema that she's force sensitive. Even TFA includes a reminder when Han dies:
This is the same Luke that tossed away his lightsaber in RotJ in the face of nearly killing Darth Vader because he knew that violence and anger wasn't the way to continue. I'd say it makes sense that he would choose a plan that would allow the resistance to recover and spark a revolution, completely shatter Kylo Ren emotionally, and in a way that didn't resort to having to kill anyone. The ending shows that what he did was legendary in itself.
Kylo is like the very definition of a crazy person wtf are you talking about?
He literally nerfed himself in TFA due to his lack of understanding in the ways of the force and how intrinsically related it is to emotions:
Note, that was Kylo Ren playing up an act and trying to act calm, the first thing he does is try to use a mind trick on Rey, it fails and it's spectacularly awkward as a result, he didn't know what was happening:
Read above.
Literally none of those things you listed at all compare to taking sustained blaster fire from AT-ATs. The force doesn't make you invincible. It gives you an edge but it's incredibly easy for jedi, even masters, to get overwhelmed as they're mortal, not gods:
Which is completely normal as TFA was the largest film ever at the time of release. Even normal for this franchise and film franchises in general as ESB didn't make as much money as ANH.
Playing an empty fort strategy with a projection allows him to delay the First Order's onslaught and save his friends and the rebellion, and gives him a parting word with Kylo.
I totally agree, but this is a really bad argument.
Thank you.
There were no precedents that the Sith could create life until Lucas created it for his story.
Yeah, I fully agree.
Kylo is like the very definition of a crazy person wtf are you talking about?
He literally nerfed himself in TFA due to his lack of understanding in the ways of the force and how intrinsically related it is to emotions:
Note, that was Kylo Ren playing up an act and trying to act calm, the first thing he does is try to use a mind trick on Rey, it fails and it's spectacularly awkward as a result, he didn't know what was happening:
Read above.
Literally none of those things you listed at all compare to taking sustained blaster fire from AT-ATs. The force doesn't make you invincible. It gives you an edge but it's incredibly easy for jedi, even masters, to get overwhelmed as they're mortal, not gods:
And this is the most important part, THERE'S NO THEMATIC POINT OTHER THAN TO SEE LUKE DOING COOL SHIT FOR THE SAKE OF IT, THAT'S BAD STORYTELLING:
The point isn't that it's not plausible (besides being a narratively awful idea), it's that it's not a given.
I never said I felt he was out of character. But it's easily the biggest controversy to come from the film.
I mean you have to be a pretty wacky ass dude to even attempt to do what he did in ESB in the first place.
Like had no idea what he would be facing on Crait.
Kylo Ren believed it because he's an irrational human being who's ruled by his emotions. He literally knocked out the one dude asking him to focus on the current mission. On top of that, he also believed that Luke for some reason had the lightsaber and looked younger than he did years ago at their temple. It's almost like he wasn't thinking straight and believed something that should've been obvious, especially given the other hints, like Luke no being touched by dust or leaving footprints.
All of those have a thematic point, hence why they work in the narrative. You're literally arguing for something to happen because it's cool, not because it has any other thematic point that's relevant to the audience and themes of the film and franchise. An example being the mortality of force users and how only special circumstances allow them to do truly extraordinary things with the force. For instance, they quite clearly telegraph that Anch-To allows for a stronger connection with the force as the temple visibly reacts when Luke contacts Leia.
I'm in this boat. Don't like the new movies at all (like the prequels mostly).
These are all incredibly dire situations where the protagonists are dealing with the most important mission of their lives. There's nothing tonally different about a phone call vs. a tap on the shoulder, it's all for the sake of making nazis look like idiots.
Your entire argument is that Luke should've been there because Kylo believes he survived the blast when the scene so clearly telegraphs multiple times that he's not thinking absolutely not thinking critically in any way shape or form and downright refuses to:
In literally both of the films where these events happen Luke is warned about how powerful the darkside of the force is. In both films he experiences that first hand:
Meant to show force users in their prime, but the latter creates plot holes and is never mentioned again.
No it's not in anyway shape or form. I don't think you really get SW if you're genuinely making that statement especially since you seem to miss the point of it in the older films and why so many criticize the prequels....AGAIN.
Lucas also thought it was a good idea to create Jar Jar Binks, the old EU was mostly comprised of incredibly terrible plot lines and fan wank. No idea why you're trying to prop it up.
Fair enough. I went back and read all of your posts in this thread and you don't explicitly mention it as a mark of quality, but I assumed you came into this thread to discuss that plot point as a remark on the quality of the film since the thread was about the quality and controversy surround it. That's on me.
