Avengers 4 Relies on Ant-Man & The Wasp and Captain Marvel

ThereAreFourNaan · Jul 5, 2018

Bufbaf said:
I mean that one is actually explained in the movie, he didn't have the Time Stone on him during the whole fight, hiding it away from Thanos. His amulet was a fake/empty one.

But it was in his arsenal on earth and in space, it was a possible way to defeat him with no obvious reason why it should fail. The writers declared by fiat that letting him win was "the only way" or whatever. That's how this business rolls. "but can't x power beat him" is only going to be true if the writer wants that to be the case, ant man certainly isn't going to one shot thanos with a shrink ray even if, again, I don't think theres any specific reason why it shouldn't work in theory.

thisismadness · Jul 5, 2018

ThereAreFourNaan said:
But it was in his arsenal on earth and in space, it was a possible way to defeat him with no obvious reason why it should fail. The writers declared by fiat that letting him win was "the only way" or whatever. That's how this business rolls. "but can't x power beat him" is only going to be true if the writer wants that to be the case, ant man certainly isn't going to one shot thanos with a shrink ray even if, again, I don't think theres any specific reason why it shouldn't work in theory.

Madd's and his goons were able to break free in the Dr Strange movie so its possible it wouldn't hold Thanos either.

Punjabi_Hitman · Jul 5, 2018

ThereAreFourNaan said:
But it was in his arsenal on earth and in space, it was a possible way to defeat him with no obvious reason why it should fail. The writers declared by fiat that letting him win was "the only way" or whatever. That's how this business rolls. "but can't x power beat him" is only going to be true if the writer wants that to be the case, ant man certainly isn't going to one shot thanos with a shrink ray even if, again, I don't think theres any specific reason why it shouldn't work in theory.

How would it work when he has the Reality Stone?

Punjabi_Hitman · Jul 5, 2018

ThereAreFourNaan said:
I dunno, can't Dr Strange stop time and just murderize him? There's plenty of very contrived things.

He tried that on Kaecilius and he was able to break free

Bishop89 · Jul 5, 2018

Persephone · Jul 5, 2018

Drewton said:
Ant-Man was always the worst Marvel movie

If not Iron Man 3

Iron Man 2 though...

Kevers · Jul 5, 2018

Persephone said:
Iron Man 2 though...

Did people forget that there's an Edward Norton Hulk movie in the MCU?

Nakenorm · Jul 5, 2018

Wololo said:
Saw antman and the wasp today. Well now I know why it relies on antman. And i think i finally understand those avengers 4 set photos and what they mean.

TIME VORTEX

How do you come to that conclusion?

I mean sure, he gotta get out of the quantum realm somehow, but why time "travel"?

MrKlaw · Jul 5, 2018

HP_Wuvcraft said:
Brie Larson has to not age somehow.

doesn't she also not be there somehow between the 90s and the nowsies? Or we're supposed to just accept Fury entirely ignored her in the attack on NY etc?

PhazonBlonde · Jul 5, 2018

Kevers said:
Did people forget that there's an Edward Norton Hulk movie in the MCU?

Hulk 2 Norton World

R0b1n · Jul 5, 2018

DeathPeak said:
But what about Adam Warlock?

His role is split between strange and possibly captain marvel

sad but rad · Jul 5, 2018

R0b1n said:
His role is split between strange and possibly captain marvel

booooooooooo, golden space jesus, or get out

R0b1n · Jul 5, 2018

sad but rad said:
booooooooooo, golden space jesus, or get out

I never liked him even in the comics. He just showed up out of nowhere and saved the day.

Jraphics Horse · Jul 5, 2018

I still like the idea of an unexplained futureTony showing up in the 90s at the end of Captain Marvel

sad but rad · Jul 5, 2018

R0b1n said:
I never liked him even in the comics. He just showed up out of nowhere and saved the day.

the starlin cosmic scene was a wild place, but I wouldn't say he showed up out of nowhere. maybe if you just read infinity gauntlet/war.

Deleted member 42221 · Jul 5, 2018

It's really bumming me out that one of the most impactful and shocking endings of any Hollywood movie this decade is going to basically be retconned and erased in all likelihood.

Noisepurge · Jul 5, 2018

ThereAreFourNaan said:
I dunno, can't Dr Strange stop time and just murderize him? There's plenty of very contrived things.

Thanos is just too strong :D he couldn't just cut off his head with the basic spells either as they are not potent enough against him, unlike against Cull Obsidian for example.

Cordelia Blimey said:
It's really bumming me out that one of the most impactful and shocking endings of any Hollywood movie this decade is going to basically be retconned and erased in all likelihood.

But what a time to be alive now! :D kids of the future just won't understand!

Riversands · Jul 5, 2018

Aloysius said:
What if Ant-Man isn't in Infinity War because he is in the quantum realm during that time?

Have you even watched the movie? It answers your question

Also

I can confirm End Game will have time travel element. At least time travel will take some parts in it. It is hinted at the post credit scene there is time vortex inside quantum realm

Qikz · Jul 5, 2018

Cordelia Blimey said:
It's really bumming me out that one of the most impactful and shocking endings of any Hollywood movie this decade is going to basically be retconned and erased in all likelihood.

It wasn't impactful or shocking, if you've ever read a single comic or know anything about comics at all you'd know none of them are dead.

Lonewulfeus · Jul 5, 2018

Qikz said:
It wasn't impactful or shocking, if you've ever read a single comic or know anything about comics at all you'd know none of them are dead.

Also, confirmed sequels with release dates and everything

Bufbaf · Jul 5, 2018

ThereAreFourNaan said:
But it was in his arsenal on earth and in space, it was a possible way to defeat him with no obvious reason why it should fail. The writers declared by fiat that letting him win was "the only way" or whatever. That's how this business rolls. "but can't x power beat him" is only going to be true if the writer wants that to be the case, ant man certainly isn't going to one shot thanos with a shrink ray even if, again, I don't think theres any specific reason why it shouldn't work in theory.

Thanos has the reality Stone at that point, shrinking him would do nothing. One could also argue that the mind stone would be a good defense against whatever time magic Strange would try if he had the some with him. He did vow to protect it with his life though so taking it out of reach immediately makes sense to me.

R0b1n · Jul 5, 2018

If some nameless mooks can break out of time freeze/reversal you can bet your ass Thanos can too.

Plus isn't it established in Dr Strange that using the time stone too much can be dangerous because of dimensional merging or some shit?

Slaythe · Jul 5, 2018

R0b1n said:
I never liked him even in the comics. He just showed up out of nowhere and saved the day.

So literally MCU captain Marvel.

Give us Golden Jesus or bust. They had him teased in Guardians.

R0b1n · Jul 5, 2018

Slaythe said:
So literally MCU captain Marvel.

Give us Golden Jesus or bust. They had him teased in Guardians.

Bro we don't even know what role she will play yet. For all you know she will simply be part of the team and not the commander of the whole operation.

Deleted member 2802 · Jul 5, 2018

Dat juicy juicy necro bump

The_hypocrite · Jul 5, 2018

You better go watch those!!!

36 Chambers · Jul 5, 2018

Fucking yawn.

I'd happily take another movie of Spiderman, Thor, Iron Man etc taking centre stage,

I could give a fuck about Antman and the Wasp or Captain Marvel tbh

Aloysius · Jul 6, 2018

Riversands said:
Have you even watched the movie? It answers your question

Also

I can confirm End Game will have time travel element. At least time travel will take some parts in it. It is hinted at the post credit scene there is time vortex inside quantum realm

Look at the date of my post, lol

Riversands · Jul 6, 2018

Aloysius said:
Look at the date of my post, lol

Omg. I thought this is a new thread. Just realized this came from several months ago

ZeoVGM · Jul 6, 2018

36 Chambers said:
Fucking yawn.

I'd happily take another movie of Spiderman, Thor, Iron Man etc taking centre stage,

I could give a fuck about Antman and the Wasp or Captain Marvel tbh

Dunno man, you just seem to not like good characters.

36 Chambers · Jul 6, 2018

ZeoVGM said:
Dunno man, you just seem to not like good characters.

Yeah I dunno. I like all the characters from my Childhood. Never heard of them other 3 till very recently.

ManaByte · Jul 6, 2018

Stop calling A4 "End Game".

ZeoVGM · Jul 6, 2018

ManaByte said:
Stop calling A4 "End Game".

Thank you. Haha.

ZeoVGM · Jul 6, 2018

36 Chambers said:
Yeah I dunno. I like all the characters from my Childhood. Never heard of them other 3 till very recently.

Spider-Man is my favorite superhero ever. But Iron Man, Cap and Thor will be the focus in Avengers 4.

Ant-Man and Captain Marvel will play important roles but this is likely a farewell to the Big Three.

Drifters_ · Jul 6, 2018

So Dark......

Kalentan · Jul 6, 2018

ManaByte said:
Stop calling A4 "End Game".

Yeah I don't know why people keep using that. They said the closest guess to the real title was Avengers Forever and considering Avengers End Game was like one of the first guesses, it's probably not that. Though I wouldn't be surprised for them to use it as a fake tho.

ManaByte · Jul 6, 2018

Kalentan said:
Yeah I don't know why people keep using that. They said the closest guess to the real title was Avengers Forever and considering Avengers End Game was like one of the first guesses, it's probably not that. Though I wouldn't be surprised for them to use it as a fake tho.

The Russos also said the title was not spoken in the movie, specifically referring to the dumb "End Game" theory when Uproxx asked them about it back in May.

Kalentan · Jul 6, 2018

ManaByte said:
The Russos also said the title was not spoken in the movie, specifically referring to the dumb "End Game" theory when Uproxx asked them about it back in May.

Yeah. I was just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fake. Hell, my guess is they've given a bunch of actors different Avengers 4 titles.

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