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Keri Russell joins 'Star Wars: Episode IX'
- Thread starter ZeoVGM
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There's a difference between changing the direction of the trilogy and outright retconning another filmmaker's story. Johnson never undid any of JJ's work. There is nothing in TLJ that outright contradicts TFA. As for what JJ intended, we can only speculate.
Probably made easier by the fact they had already invaded each other's minds. It's implied Rey lifted abilities from Kylo (force related, possibly lightsaber related if their shared moveset demonstrated in TLJ is any indication) and Kylo extracted memories from her. They've already been up in there, it isn't hard to imagine a lingering resonance that made it easier to hook 'em up.
"So you see, I'm not a hack fraud, from a certain point of view."
Hey, remember how the big theme of the last movie is that you don't need to be someone special to make a difference in the galax? That anyone with courage to stand up to evil can become a hero? Yeah, screw all that you're actually super special and from a long lineage of special people.
Yeah, that's true, and fair. I just think Disney will let JJ do whatever he wants, though. Johnson has creative control over whatever he wants over on his own little Star Wars playground for his trilogy now, after all. I just think Lucas/Disney is big on giving over creative control within the scope of each individual project, that's all. I commend them for doing that, too, as I think if they were as constrained about that stuff as it appears Marvel Studios are TLJ probably would've been a very very different movie.
With that said, I think JJ is too intelligent a storyteller to actually want to change Johnson's work - I think he will find a great way to bring it home in keeping with what TLJ establishes, and the less desirable segment of the fanbase can cry about it all they want.
JJ is quoted saying he always believed anybody could be a hero, that it shouldn't always depend on lineage.
I think his plan from the beginning was for Rey to pave her own path. To find her own belonging and purpose.
Technically he could change the narrative established in TLJ (even RJ acknowledged this), but based on what JJ has said, I don't think he will.
I think his plan from the beginning was for Rey to pave her own path. To find her own belonging and purpose.
Technically he could change the narrative established in TLJ (even RJ acknowledged this), but based on what JJ has said, I don't think he will.
Here is my legitimate guess:
She is replacing Leias character in the story as the leader of the Resistance.
She is replacing Leias character in the story as the leader of the Resistance.
Can someone post a link to to the scene where Rey finds out her parents are nobodys? Don't remember from the movie.
Oh don't worry. They're going to lose their minds when she starts kicking ass left and right.
"THAT'S NOT REALISTIC!"
what? what do you mean? forms? what? No. There are not Knights of Ren toys. your initial statement reeks of weird cynicism about things only being included to sell toys.
You're right I shouldn't have said give it up. But I don't think the parent issue in TFA was as big of a mystery as you think it was. They very clearly state in TFA that her parents are never coming back. They don't really hint at them being special or force users or part of some grand mystery. Rey just wants to know why she was abandoned and if they are coming back. TLJ confirms that they were never special and it's Rey, not Kylo, who states this. We just get the added information from Kylo that they died and are buried somewhere in Jakku. Rey finally being honest with herself about her parents is a pivotal moment of growth for her character. It's a shame people only focus on what's not in the movie that was never supposed to be in the movie, that is, Rey's parents being something.
Rey stated her worst fear and Kylo lyingly ran with it. In the TFA vision a ship was clearly leaving her behind as she watched it fly away.
Then you should remember that Snoke outright tells them that he was the one who linked their thought to allow Kylo's weakness and uncertainty to draw Rey into a trap.
I mean if millions of people came to the same conclusion it kind of is
What is the concept of the Knights of Ren? We know virtually nothing about them. We don't know who they are, what their roles in the First Order are (or if they're even really part of the First Order or some tangential group), if they even have Force powers. All we know is they wear costumes like Kylo's, are in some way servants to him, and share the name Ren, whatever that association is supposed to indicate.
But as far as cool-looking-concepts-for-characters go, even Boba Fett is more fleshed out.
We already found out in TLJ. What we'll find out in Episode 9 is if JJ decides to undo one of the best scenes in Star Wars for the sake of the biggest cliche in Star Wars.
MARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUEMARY SUE
It's not helped by members of the cast or even people like Simon Pegg going around in the wake of TLJ saying "yeah, this wasn't the original plan, it was very different", obviously. People will be hung up on what could have been for years, and that is not a phenomenon unique to the Star Wars fanbase. (IE I'm a bigger Doctor Who fan than Star Wars fan, and that fan base is terrible for that too to the point where show runners & cast members are briefed to not talk about what could've been or anything not nailed down as certain in interviews because it'll become gospel on a wiki somewhere).
I think what-ifs are interesting from a creative standpoint (one day it'd be very nice to read in detail both George's treatment for 7-9 and JJ's original overarching plot for 8/9, for instance), but at a point people need to let go and accept the bloody stories we have.
Returning to the old tropes and rehashing all of them is the worst thing they could do. The series needs to move forwards now.
I know you said females but you did mention talking about diversity and not delivering. I was simply showing that there is a lot of diversity in these new movies. All of the males I listed (and that you commented on) are big parts of these movies. Most of the men in these new movies are non-white. Having a female lead for this new trilogy and an asian american actress as a big focus is a big step that I think you are minimizing (you used the word frauds). We live in a time now when diversity is slowly being eased into these movies, and I think it's not fair to use the word frauds when it comes to these movies as there is diversity for sure. Non-white female lead? Not yet, but that's not to say there hasn't been diversity in these movies.
What you don't realize is that Noh Bahdy is galactic-wide criminal organization of which Rey's parents were part.
They left this mob and went on the run but had to leave their daughter behind.
Rey: "My parents were Noh Bahdies! But I hope to meet them some time!"
Called it.
Even before VII was released, he was very explicit about his views on the force, and the inclusive nature of it. They are themes that he deliberately built in, I can't imagine him considering TLJ a "retcon" but a continuation of his belief:
http://www.slashfilm.com/jj-abrams-midi-chlorians/
JJ might be given free rein, more or less, but he has such a limited amount of story real estate to work with -- a little over two hours to both move forward and wrap up not just this trilogy, but a whole nine-film saga -- that spending any amount of time on retcons just seems like a waste of that real estate to me.
It'd be cool if she was a new prominent Resistance leader, or a political ally that helps join the fight or harbors the Resistance on a new interesting base/planet/city.
Maybe she's a Knight of Ren.
Maybe she is old Rey in an epilogue.
Maybe she is old Rey traveling through the World between Worlds to affect change to the timeline.
Some ancient powerful force user come from the past, or the unknown regions.
alien.
Maybe she's a Knight of Ren.
Maybe she is old Rey in an epilogue.
Maybe she is old Rey traveling through the World between Worlds to affect change to the timeline.
Some ancient powerful force user come from the past, or the unknown regions.
alien.
Also, if we're talking about course correcting in Ep. IX, Rey's parentage doesn't seem like it's worth pursuing. What are people actually mad about seven months out? It's Luke.
If JJ is gonna pull some fuckery... he's bringing Luke back.
But he won't do that either :)
If JJ is gonna pull some fuckery... he's bringing Luke back.
But he won't do that either :)
So her being dropped off by her parents means they can never come back to Jakku to die? Them leaving on a ship means they are sombody? What does that vision have anything to do with her parents not being nobodies? Rey didn't state her worst fear, she stated the truth to herself after all this time.
She doesn't find out her parents are nobodies,
Kylo says her parents are nobodies when actually he has no clue who her parents were/are
Was trying to remember what i know her from, shes from Scrubs which is top in my book.
Cant wait for IX, gonna be great,
Cant wait for IX, gonna be great,
This is incorrect. She doesn't "find out", she knew all along. Her vision shows her calling for them to come back, who they were was NEVER a mystery to her. There was nothing to find out, only to accept and internalize. Also, once again, SHE is the one who says her parent's were nobody.
They play it up as a mystery, but there is zero suggestion that they are important beyond not explicitly shutting it down. People took that and ran with it in their heads. That's not on the movie, that's on the fans.
Thanks that was the exact quote I was referring to but I'm on mobile and have trouble linking stuff sometimes.
