Finally saw Solo, um...

liquidtmd said:

It unfortunately for many came with a shit load of expectation, the weight of the SW franchise, mixed thoughts on TLJ and a lot of armchair critics thinking they could do better than the entire management of Lucasfilm just because they've watched Empire 200 times and were aware that their was some directorial issues

As a film in itself, it's pretty damn good. I enjoyed it at least. For me the original SW films were very enjoyable throwaway romps that grew and people gave them a weight that I don't think was initially there.

Take the current MCU. Some are huge fucking end of the world Infinity Wars. Some are Ant Man, light and breezy. Solo to me was Ant Man like, and I enjoyed strolling through their universe as opposed to being beaten over the head with ultimate good Vs Evil galactic stake pieces

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I think this film is a perfect example of one of those times when a film can be good but its just not what the audience wants to go see at that point in time. Sometimes you can produce a good film, do your best at marketing it and it just doesn't connect with audiences.

In general people just didn't seem that interested in watching a story about young Han Solo. I still think they should have done a Lando focused story, ending with the hours before Empire when he makes his famous deal. This might have worked as the character had much less of a focus in the original trilogy and hasn't been in the new one at all, wheras people probably felt that Han's story was done.

I thought it was fine, had fun watching it, but don't really have a desire to see it again. I liked it more than Rogue One since it had more likable characters. The Easter eggs and setups in the lore got grating pretty quickly - i.e. how he got named Solo I found to be REALLY corny.

Overall that's how the anthology films have been for me - enjoyable to watch, but not stories that I'm dying to see, and not up to par with TFA and TLJ.

One of the absolute best in the Star Wars series.

The biggest disappointment I have with it by far is its box office gross. It actually makes me sad that it didn't do well.

I loved it. Most fun I've had watching a Star Wars film in a long time.

It's what a Star Wars movie should be: solid, lean, and carried by the characters and not the plot/canon.

I really enjoyed Solo. Went in expecting nothing out of it, but it was a fun movie.

Loved the scene where

thecouncil said:

What do you know about Lando from the OT? He wore a cape.
"Callback", "reference", whatever you want to call it, its kinda stupid.
If Glover had a drawer on the Falcon full of mustache combs, it would be equally lame. I'm actually surprised that wasn't in there now that I think about it.

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It's his character.

Personally I'm all for Lando being the cool dude with a sense for fashion

It's dreadful in the very beginning up until he escapes his home planet. There was just something off about. After that I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Yeah I liked it quite a bit, maybe not as much as Rogue One. I would like to see it again in theatres.

I had no issue with the naming scene either. I always thought it was dumb that this character who is a rebellious loner just happened to be named "Solo". It was like if Luke's last name happened to be "Hero" or something. The idea of someone just assigning Han this name and him going with it as sort of a title he accepts for himself just makes more sense for his character IMO.

I agree it's a shame we'll likely never see a sequel. I'd like Ron Howard to have a chance to helm it from the beginning without all the problems. I think the end result would be even better.

I quite liked Solo when I watched it, all things considered. It wasn't perfect, but it was a perfectly enjoyable heist movie. The scene where he gets his "Solo" surname wasn't that good and I wasn't a fan of how Han seemingly had an important role in kickstarting the Rebel Alliance, but besides that, I don't have much negative stuff to say about that. The revolutionary navigation android was entertaining, Glover was fun to watch and I liked the twist with Emilia's character.

The actor wasn't Harrison Ford, but he did quite a good job, all things considered. I wouldn't mind going to see a sequel if it was released in a non-crowded period, but I'm sure it won't happen. They may repurpose this into a novel or a few comics in the future though, maybe I'll give it a look in the future if it's any good.

sphagnum said:

That wasn't the Rebel Alliance. Bail, Mothma, and Ahsoka had already been setting that up since right after RotS, though the formal creation of the Alliance isn't until 3 BBYish when Mothma is expelled from the Senate and flees to Dantooine. That was just one cell that presumably later gets absorbed.

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I didn't like that scene either. I don't think that Han Solo needs more stuff to put on his curriculum on top of what he did in the original trilogy, all things considered. It just felt like fanservice for the sake of fanservice.

Still, it didn't ruin the movie for me or anything.

Raigan-etc said:

I loved it, really awesome heist movie with a Star Wars backdrop

Reviews and critics are for reference but not to inform, this movie is a perfect example of that

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Loved the movie, too. I hated the other prequels and thought Rouge One was "ok". To me: Original Trilogy > Solo >>> Rogue One >>>>> everything else.

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So I should see this?

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Yes, absolutely! Solo is even entertaining for people who don't like Star Wars. The core of the movie is just simply good.

RalchAC said:

I don't think that Han Solo needs more stuff to put on his curriculum on top of what he did in the prequel trilogy, all things considered.

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But he didn't do anything during the prequel trilogy...

sphagnum said:

But he didn't do anything during the prequel trilogy...

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The original trilogy, I'll edit my comment lol.

It's hot outside, you know?

The naming scene was stupid but stupid in such a way that I could see it coming from George Lucas. I must accept that Darth Vader built C3PO and I must also accept that Han passed on the bogus name he put on a job app to his son.

TI92 said:

That was really good? Like I was shocked at how much I enjoyed it? Do we know how much was Ron Howard and how much was Lord & Miller?

Fuck, I want a solo 2!

Anyways what did you guys think?

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I thought this from the jump.

Rogue + Solo > TFA + TLJ

Sorry not sorry

Come at me bros

TheXbox said:

The naming scene was stupid but stupid in such a way that I could see it coming from George Lucas. I must accept that Darth Vader built C3PO and I must also accept that Han passed on the bogus name he put on a job app to his son.

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It was actually Kasdan's idea and what he used in his pitch to Bob Iger when they were making sure which movies to go forward with after the buyout.

I thought it was really good.

Love.. LOVE LOVED Solo. Saw it 3 times so far in theaters. I might try to see it 1 more time before it's gone.

Just pure fun Star Wars-y action for me. I left the theater smiling each time. It was exactly what I wanted from a Star Wars movie.

I really hope it doesn't negatively impact the future movies.. I've enjoyed the spin-offs much more than the sequel trilogy.

I enjoyed it as well. Might be the best "Star Wars" movie of the 4 Disney ones since it was a fun romp and had some original ideas that fit in well.

The negatives are the lead not living up to Harrison Ford (I accepted that and didn't let it bother me) and a few too many callbacks to minor details in the OT. And obviously you could tell Howard came in to fix things after they had already shot a lot of the movie.

sphagnum said:

That wasn't the Rebel Alliance. Bail, Mothma, and Ahsoka had already been setting that up since right after RotS, though the formal creation of the Alliance isn't until 3 BBYish when Mothma is expelled from the Senate and flees to Dantooine. That was just one cell that presumably later gets absorbed.

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ok...

Even if technically not the Rebel Alliance, Solo still would've brought it up while being chastised for being a selfish smuggler who only cares about the money.

Cheebo said:

You....haven't seen it? Then why are you in this thread criticizing the film? I mean you criticized the plot of a movie you haven't seen? Uh what? You really have no basis on any of your points if you haven't seen the film.

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I have qualified my posts regarding this already. Feel free to read.

It's pretty fun and a very enjoyable watch, but also feels kind of like it shouldn't exist? Like, isn't the point of Han's character in the original trilogy that he's this guy who doesn't join up and just wants to be a dashing rogue who is mostly not a bad guy but also doesn't fight for the good guys, except no he was actually in the military one time and also this isn't even the first rebellion he's joined up with. It just seems to undercut a lot of his arc in the better trilogy in ways that don't seem totally necessary. Like they're scared to make him anything less than heroic if he's going to be their lead even though the point always was that he had to grow into his heroism.

Who even wants an origin story for any of the original trilogy mains? It just feels like they should have made a different movie set in the Star Wars universe with entirely new characters. Maybe keep Lando, since there's so little of him established, and Han shows up as a brief side cameo.

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So I should see this?

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Joining the "wow, this movie was actually fun" crowd. I had low expectations, but the flick was a seriously good time.

stupei said:

It's pretty fun and a very enjoyable watch, but also feels kind of like it shouldn't exist? Like, isn't the point of Han's character in the original trilogy that he's this guy who doesn't join up and just wants to be a dashing rogue who is mostly not a bad guy but also doesn't fight for the good guys, except no he was actually in the military one time and also this isn't even the first rebellion he's joined up with. It just seems to undercut a lot of his arc in the better trilogy in ways that don't seem totally necessary. Like they're scared to make him anything less than heroic if he's going to be their lead even though the point always was that he had to grow into his heroism.

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I feel the same way. I suspect part of the problem is that the Kasdans withheld a major chunk of Han's pre-ANH arc for a sequel. Han is just way too buoyant and heroic at the end of Solo. They left Qi'ra and Jabba as sequel hooks, so something must've been planned in the next film that would get Han from where is at the end of Solo to where he is at the start of ANH (cynical, selfish, deeply in debt). Probably a gig for Jabba that goes south and a second betrayal from Qi'ra.

Obviously, Solo 2 ain't gonna happen, so we're still left with a fuzzy space between Solo and ANH. It feels incomplete.

the twist of the big bad being a teenage girl bothers me so much

it just makes no god damn sense

I literally shook my head and eyerolled at some of the stuff seeming way to hamfisted, obvious example is yes the name scene and a few others, Han speaking wookie in the cage bugged me, kessel run (no one has ever done it in X parsecs!), but the origin of these problems with a prequel is that there are no stakes!

the movie keeps asking, will han survive THIS!?!? and the entire audience reluctantly replies under their breath,".. yeS"

aside from that and maybe a few other tiny things, it was decidedly "a good movie" if unspectacular

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I feel the same way. I suspect part of the problem is that the Kasdans withheld a major chunk of Han's pre-ANH arc for a sequel. Han is just way too buoyant and heroic at the end of Solo. They left Qi'ra and Jabba as sequel hooks, so something must've been planned in the next film that would get Han from where is at the end of Solo to where he is at the start of ANH (cynical, selfish, deeply in debt). Probably a gig for Jabba that goes south and a second betrayal from Qi'ra.

Obviously, Solo 2 ain't gonna happen, so we're still left with a fuzzy space between Solo and ANH. It feels incomplete.

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I still think it cheapens things a little in the way that it suggests he actually always was heroic and was inclined towards it but then a mean lady made him change his ways until a nice lady changed him back. I liked how the original trilogy sort of felt like he was the kid of random dude who never thought of himself in that way at all until he had something worth fighting for. Would've preferred a sequel focused on Qi'ra tbh, since she was the new character they actually gave the most potential to.

It also seems insane the way it simplifies and removes so much mystery from Han's background. Like everything we'd ever heard him reference before happened in the span of a week or so and after that one daring escape he's now heading to work with Jabba? Jabba is literally his second job ever? How little time are we meant to think has passed between Solo and ANH?

Basically it's a better film if you pretend the original trilogy and it don't exist in the same timeline.

I thought it was good. Not the best, but still good.

I enjoyed it. It was a fun movie and I thought everyone did a good job. I like these anthology side-movies; it's a good way of rounding out the Universe and adds to the mainline films. It's a shame if Han's relatively poor performance stops them making more of them.

nillapuddin said:

the twist of the big bad being a teenage girl bothers me so much

it just makes no god damn sense

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It was fine. Reminded me a lot of Rogue One in that the first half of the movie seems way too jumbled and hectic, and then the second half is awesome with some great, exciting set pieces.

I am a bit bummed they won't make another one because I really liked the guy who played Han. I would have gone to another movie or two with him as Han. Han and Chewie Adventures or whatever.

Yeah, I liked it.

I enjoyed it more than the new mainline movies. Had a re-watchable feel like 4-6.

Solo might be good, but I think I'm mostly done with Disney Star Wars for a while or maybe forever. It happens pretty often, after some disappointments fans lose interest and leave series behind. With me it happened with the old Star Trek tv series after being burned by Voyager and Enterprise, The Lord of the Rings movies after the first Hobbit cash grab movie, The Simpsons after season 8, Babylon 5 after the main series ended and they tried again with Crusade, and X-Files around season 6. I heard they did another few new episodes of X-Files a few years back, I don't care to look it up and see if it was any good I'm done with the series.

Thing can always change, I was done with the Fox's X-Man movies but Logan got me back in for one last movie and if there is an X23/Laura movie I'm probably down depending on the trailer. But as strong as a brand Star Wars was, they're not entitled to fan's sticking around no matter what they put out. the nostalgia wore off for me after Rogue One and being "subversive" is annoying when done poorly.

It was a fun movie. A lot of the gratuitous fanservice was groan-worthy, though.

Also, Donald Glover doesn't play Lando. He plays Billy Dee Williams playing Lando.

Trouble said:

Donald Glover doesn't play Lando. He plays Billy Dee Williams playing Lando.

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Donald Glover plays Donald Glover doing a Billy Dee Williams imitation of Billy Dee Williams playing Lando.

Sorry to Donald and everyone else but all of the acting was terrible to flat. Except maybe Woody Harrelson.

It was awesome and Jenny Nicholson is very wrong about it, but then again, she enjoyed TLJ, so there might be a connection.

Gravidee said:

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I think Qi'ra and Han are over 18 after the 3 year timeskip. But in any case, how in the world did you surmise that she's the big bad? The twist was that she did a lot of bad things to get where she is now, not that she's the end all be all of the syndicate. That would be Maul.

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I'm referring to
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"enfys nest"

of which the leader (or actual character, I can't tell) is legitimately a 13 year old girl.

who bested pretty much all the main characters in 1v1 battle in strength and wits

It really helped having extremely low expectations of a movie I and pretty much no one besides Lawrence Kasdan wanted. Unfortunately not so much at the box office.

I really need to get around to seeing this.

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I'm referring to
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"enfys nest"

of which the leader (or actual character, I can't tell) is legitimately a 13 year old girl.

who bested pretty much all the main characters in 1v1 battle in strength and wits

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She looks young but I don't think it was stated in the movie or anywhere else how old she actually is. However the actress is 19, for reference.

Dont listen to the haters, OP. I also really enjoyed it.

I liked it more than TLJ or Rogue One, although both of those had better set pieces. If Disney would ever do a live action TV series then they could branch off from this movie and make it the next Firefly.

LookAtMeGo said:

Its out now?

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Lol.

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She looks young but I don't think it was stated in the movie or anywhere else how old she actually is. However the actress is 19, for reference.

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either way, her physical prowess, capacity to apparently run such a notorious organization and being so young was ridiculous to me

it just seemed forced, the whole way her helmet reveal went was specifically to force a twist
"oh I bet you didn't think this legendary warrior who beat our heroes twice was actually a middle school girl!"


I understand that her mom died and shes in her footsteps, but it just went too far for me.

Like I said in the other post, I just think this movie thought it was a bit too cute a lot of the time.

Shy said:

The character was in it before (or a similar version) and was played by Michael K Williams (Omar from the Wire) but he wasn't able to return to film the re-shoots, because he was already filming another movie at the time.

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I wish I hadn't seen this. I thought the movie was great, but now I am going to be disappointed by the lack of MKW when I see it again.

Therion said:

I wish I hadn't seen this. I thought the movie was great, but now I am going to be disappointed by the lack of MKW when I see it again.

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Sorry. :(

Disappointed that it bombed on the box office because I like Solo a lot, despite thinking beforehand that it was going to be a mess.

Easily my favorite Star Wars movie from the Disney-era, and I'm not sure if it is a good or a bad thing that I enjoyed Solo & Rogue One more over TFA & TLJ.

Therion said:

I wish I hadn't seen this. I thought the movie was great, but now I am going to be disappointed by the lack of MKW when I see it again.

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Well technically you wouldn't have seen him in the movie. MKW's Voss was a mocap character. He was going to be an all cgi lion looking alien.

Cheebo said:

Well technically you wouldn't have seen him in the movie. MKW's Voss was a mocap character. He was going to be an all cgi lion looking alien.

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He was ? huh, didn't know that.

It was a lot less embarrassing than the prequel movies, but it was just as bad. Poor aesthetics, nothing performances, dull action, and a story that's hung on telling exceedingly uninteresting versions of the stories we already knew the outcomes to.