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Panic Freak

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,585
Kavanaugh is the oldest at 53, so there's that...

Bennett is fucking 44 and has been a judge for less than a year and is in a cult so really hope she isn't the pick.

Trump Game Theory 101. If presented with a binary decision, Trump will pick the worst possible outcome. It's going to be Amy Coney Barrett.
 

Ac30

Member
Oct 30, 2017
14,527
London
Trump Game Theory 101. If presented with a binary decision, Trump will pick the worst possible outcome. It's going to be Amy Coney Barrett.

Plus, then they get to play the "Dems don't like her because she's a woman/religious!!!1!1!1" card. It's obviously going to be her.

She's also 40-fucking-4 which means she'll be able to do the most damage to boot.
 

BBboy20

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,033
It's not just about actually stopping the vote. I understand that they are blocked because the fillibuster has been nuked.

However, they should at least try their damnedest to sway public opinion against this bullshit. That's what I am talking about.
Instead the majority are probably going to roll over and give up without even trying.

If they tried to do at least something, even unconventional, to delay or stop this vote then more people would have respect for them.

Instead, they are more worried about us being civil to literal nazis.
In regards of this, rioting is really the only option and it needs to be thought up expertly now for it to last as long as possible.
 

MistaTwo

SNK Gaming Division Studio 1
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
2,456
That expectation will only end in disappointment. Impeachment doesn't undo acts taken in office. That would never happen and was never intended to happen.

Please point me out a precedent where A president was elected through direct collusion with a foreign adversary who carried out attacks on our election system, while Republicans (also guilty of collusion) made a successful effort to block the former President's SC nomination and through further cronyism persuaded another judge to step down giving their traitorous president two lifetime appointments in the single most powerful judiciary in the nation.

Assuming even half of what I wrote is true, we are waaaaay past Con Law 101 precedents and in uncharted territory.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
Please point me out a precedent where A president was elected through direct collusion with a foreign adversary who carried out attacks on our election system, while Republicans (also guilty of collusion) made a successful effort to block the former President's SC nomination and through further cronyism persuaded another judge to step down giving their traitorous president two lifetime appointments in the single most powerful judiciary in the nation.

Assuming even half of what I wrote is true, we are waaaaay past Con Law 101 precedents and in uncharted territory.

It simply isn't going to happen. Gorsuch isn't a judge any other republican in office wouldn't pick, and neither is anyone on this short list.

Impeachment for anything other than actions taken by the person being impeached would a) be entirely outside the scope of any definition of impeachment and b) be a terrible precedent.
 

Mr. Keith

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,942
I don't know why people care about precedent. Republicans set godawful precedents all the time and they get by fine.
 

antonz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,309
Barrett is likely it. Hatch released an Op-ed on the fight ahead and kept referencing the court candidate by she and her. Since there is only one female on the list it looks like Handmaiden will get the job. Republicans want the optics it was not all men killing Roe vs. Wade
 

Mr. Keith

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,942
You can't seriously suggest you don't recognize how incredibly short sighted something like that would be, right?
There are a lot of things I find incredibly short sighted happening. I just get sick of one side getting away with bending the rules any way they want to suit them and then when the other side is involved everyone cries about slippery slopes and precedent.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
There are a lot of things I find incredibly short sighted happening. I just get sick of one side getting away with bending the rules any way they want to suit them and then when the other side is involved everyone cries about slippery slopes and precedent.

So just react emotionally and participate in the erosion of our institutions. Good plan.
 

moblin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,107
Москва
There are a lot of things I find incredibly short sighted happening. I just get sick of one side getting away with bending the rules any way they want to suit them and then when the other side is involved everyone cries about slippery slopes and precedent.
For what it's worth, Republicans could start impeachment proceedings for Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer right now -- they control the Senate. They could also simply work with the Republican House and increase the size of the Court and pack it with Federalist Society bigwigs.

The reason they don't is because even if you may not believe it, they're justifiably terrified of the precedent it would set.
 

Mr. Keith

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,942
For what it's worth, Republicans could start impeachment proceedings for Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer right now -- they control the Senate. They could also simply work with the Republican House and increase the size of the Court and pack it with Federalist Society bigwigs.

The reason they don't is because even if you may not believe it, they're justifiably terrified of the precedent it would set.
Yeah but it would be silly to do that. There was no doubts about Bill Clinton or Obama getting elected and they weren't in bed with a foreign power.

If Trump was found to be a traitor all his decisions should be purged. That shouldn't be some terrifying precedent to set.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
Yeah but it would be silly to do that. There was no doubts about Bill Clinton or Obama getting elected and they weren't in bed with a foreign power.

If Trump was found to be a traitor all his decisions should be purged. That shouldn't be some terrifying precedent to set.

By what mechanism should all his decisions be purged?
 
Oct 26, 2017
876
9 but yes. This is why McConnell is so happy. No matter what, now republican fuckery in our courts will hold the country back for the next 2 decades at a minimum. SC judges have so much power they're essentially kings, and they will use that to gut any liberal legislation that gains traction irregardless of legality.
This. The "But Her Emails" fucks destroyed the USA for the next generation at least. A complete shitshow.
 

Polaroid_64

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,920
We are going to be ruled by religion (even more so), yet this country was founded by many who were fleeing religious oppression.

So fucking dumb. People making laws based on where they go to church is a fucking joke.

Go to church where you want. But religious freedom has been completely twisted into power over others.
 

GaimeGuy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,092
For what it's worth, Republicans could start impeachment proceedings for Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer right now -- they control the Senate. They could also simply work with the Republican House and increase the size of the Court and pack it with Federalist Society bigwigs.

The reason they don't is because even if you may not believe it, they're justifiably terrified of the precedent it would set.
They already broke norms when they stole obama's seat and filled more than 10% of all the judiciary in trump's first year.

Yeah, that's right - More than 10% of the judiciary was vacant. Why? Because Republicans did not want to let a constitutional scholar who valued the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary fill court vacancies, for the sole reason that he was a democrat.

Repulbicans have already stacked the courts.

As far as I'm concerned, they have three options:

#1: Roll back their court stacking and appoint people who are qualified, experienced, and not right wing ideologues, at all levels of the judiciary.

#2: Shut the fuck up as the democrats increase the number of seats on the supreme court and fill them with young liberals.

#3: Revolution

What they've done is poison the well, and if they are not going to fix the damage they've done, then we should force it ourselves. And if they still stand in the way, well:

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I think it'd be time to assume the powers to which we are entitled.

This is not their country to rule. It belongs to the people. The people have consistently voiced their support for democratic nominees over the last 15 years. They have consistently voiced a lack of plurality, never mind majority, support for Donald Trump, and have suffered for his tenure.

Fuck them all. Precedent states that we maintain a working government of, by, and for the people, and republicans have shat over that notion my entire life. I do not give a flying fuck what norms we have to violate to quarantine them from political supremacy. I'm sick of compromising with people who will stand b y and let our country be attacked by foreign interests while our domestic politicians destroy families, erect concentration camps, attack the pillars of our society which educate, inform, and sustain the public, all under the "legitimacy" of political gamesmanship. They are traitors living under the same roof.
 

GaimeGuy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,092
Besides, McConnell will be dead soon. Screw his legacy. Government exists for the living, not the dead.
 

Canyon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,453
Ohio
Barrett is likely it. Hatch released an Op-ed on the fight ahead and kept referencing the court candidate by she and her. Since there is only one female on the list it looks like Handmaiden will get the job. Republicans want the optics it was not all men killing Roe vs. Wade

I thought it'd be a woman since day one for this exact reason. Everything is so predictable from this administration.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
I find myself hating that man more and more every day. They are gleeful in their destruction of America. Reconstruction was a mistake.
 

Luminish

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,508
Denver
At least Barrett is easier to paint as unqualified and as essentually a vote on Roe v Wade, which is helpful in the short term political fight.

Though in the end she'll still be confirmed and everyone will forget in a day.
 

ImperatorPat

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,461
USA
For what it's worth, Republicans could start impeachment proceedings for Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG, and Breyer right now -- they control the Senate. They could also simply work with the Republican House and increase the size of the Court and pack it with Federalist Society bigwigs.

The reason they don't is because even if you may not believe it, they're justifiably terrified of the precedent it would set.
It's not just about "precedent". I think you're missing a big fact about impeachment - it takes a 2/3 vote to convict. Democrats wouldn't vote to convict Clinton in his impeachment trial in the 90s despite proven perjury, so of course they wouldn't vote to impeach SCOTUS justices they agree with on whatever trumped up fake charge the GOP could come up with.

Impeachment in general is nearly impossible to pull off successfully outside of a situation like Nixon where corruption, criminal behavior, and lies are exposed publicly and your own party turns against you.
 

nihilence

nøthing but silence
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
15,955
From 'quake area to big OH.
The radio has been disturbing lately, talking about how a religious Supreme Court is necessary to save the country.

Arguing over morality, and how you can't have morals without religion and therfore religion must govern.

Terrifying.
 

HStallion

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
62,262
One of the finalists

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His views on immigrants aren't any better than toons.
 

Pockets

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,298
The radio has been disturbing lately, talking about how a religious Supreme Court is necessary to save the country.

Arguing over morality, and how you can't have morals without religion and therfore religion must govern.

Terrifying.

Funny. Their leader lacks all morals. Really makes you think.

False God.
 

Luminish

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,508
Denver
The radio has been disturbing lately, talking about how a religious Supreme Court is necessary to save the country.

Arguing over morality, and how you can't have morals without religion and therfore religion must govern.

Terrifying.
I listened to the first 30 minutes of Hannity's thursday radio show with some other guy sitting in for Hannity. Starts with saying liberals are too mean to conservatives, and then went straight into a speech calling liberals the "greatest enemy" in what sounded like legitimate war propaganda. I know the word 'propaganda' is used a lot these days, but I don't have any other way to describe this. It's like trying to pump the troops up for world war 2, but replace nazis with the left.