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Thatonedice1

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,112
Working on that also.
Hey people of ResetEra I've got alot of thoughts bouncing around in my head and I don't really have anyone to message this late at night so you guys drew the short straw. Anyway I have to talk about Black Panther for alittle bit because I feel the importance of the movie and the importance of inlusion is sometimes lost in the debates of quality on this board. Though I myself am not a expert in film criticism or film theory in anyway I just needed to get this out of my head. And this is going to be somewhat of an emotional appeal so know that in advance of reading.

I am a black nerd, or geek, or dork. Whatever you want to call it. Point is I've consumed nerd culture for my whole life. They first show I ever watched was power rangers back when I was a kid. Yet the first thing I can actively remember building a fandom over was Dragon Ball Z. I like many on here grew up with this show and loved watching the show. All my friends at school loved it and I felt an innate since of pride when I knew so many facts about it when talking about it in lunch lines and whatnot with friends.

I remember rushing home to the TV putting off hours of homework just to catch another glimpse of Goku's fight against Vegeta or their travels to Namek or them wishing piccolo back to life (DBZ spoilers I guess?) And then one day something amazing happened. Goku transformed into a Duper Saiyan and I experienced what I believe to my first nerdgasm. I was so excited to talk about what happened with my friends at school. I walked up to the at recess and we all were excited as hell about it but something happened that kinda stuck with me. One of my friends commented on how they were surprised I liked Super Saiyan so much. Because my hair was not like Goku's hair. Now being a kid I didn't think much of it at the time but it did stick with me. Why was I so different then the coolest character on TV at the time? Why couldn't I be like my friends and be able to imagine myself a Super Saiyan?

Well time moved on any life with it. I continued my nerdom with other stuff. Mostly white main characters but I never thought about it critically. I was and still am a big fan of Spider-Man. But it wasn't until I was in college did I actually think about the characters in nerd culture.

Anyway that's when we get to Black Panther. As a character I've known about him for a while. I knew he existed back when I was in high school and I knew his movie was coming before I graduate college but I still didn't care that much. Because the character never seemed to get as much of a push as the likes of Captain America or Iron Man. So I was excited but ultimately didn't care that much. Anyway I eventually I find myself in the movie theater watching the movie and I am enjoying the hell out of it. But it wasn't until killmongers last line did something happen to me emotionally. "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors" I don't know why but it hit me like a ton of bricks. I teared up in the movie theater as memories of family discussions shifted through my mind. It hit me so hard because it was something from my core. From my home. I cried because those words from killmongers mouth felt like something my grandmother would say in all honesty.

And then I get to the end of the movie when T'Challa builds a community center for black young. And we see a small black boy looking up to T'Challa asking "Who are you?" And this is another moment that floored me. In that moment I was a kid again. I thought about that moment when I was different from all my other friends discussing Dragon Ball Z. That I couldn't be like them because my hair was different. In a way this movie felt like it was reaching out to my childhood self and saying "I want you to be like me" and that was something that brought me to tears.

I know the movie isn't perfect. I know there are things to critic and poke and prod at but for me it will always be an important movie. Because no matter where you grow up in America. If you are black and happen to be a nerd you can never just be a nerd. You are a black nerd. Little things will always pop up like "Why am I playing as the billionth white guy in this video game?" Or something similar. In a way nerd culture will always have us in the black community feel alittle different. But this movie it helps. It makes the little black boy inside me growing up on Power Rangers and Dragon Ball Z feel alittle less different.

TL;DR:
Black Panther is awesome. Don't hate on it. It means alot to us black nerds damnit. Also sorry for possible spelling errors. On my phone.
 

foxuzamaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yo, fellow black nerd here and I remember getting in my car after watching the movie, I just watched it with my mom and it was the 1st time my mom actually came up to me and said she wanted to see a marvel movie, so i knew this movie was on another level in the black community.

Anyways after separating and her driving off, I was still in the parking lot, and for some reason, I just broke down crying, for a good 5 or so minutes.
Just reeling at a movie that had so much respect for me and the people around me. It was an incredible feeling, just being overwhelmed by how positive a movie it was for me. A black nerd

So trust me dude, I feel you, and theres alot of us on resetera who would agree
 
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Thatonedice1

Thatonedice1

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,112
Working on that also.
Yo, fellow black nerd here and I remember getting in my car after watching the movie, I just watched it with my mom and it was the 1st time my mom actually came up to me and said she wanted to see a marvel movie, so i knew this movie was on another level in the black community.

Anyways after separating and her driving off, I was still in the parking lot, and for some reason, I just broke down crying, for a good 5 or so minutes.
Just reeling at a movie that had so much respect for me and the people around me. It was an incredible feeling, just being overwhelmed by how positive a movie it was for me. A black nerd

So trust me dude, I feel you, and theres alot of us on resetera who would agree

Glad to hear someone agrees. I just had to get this out of my head while laying in bed at nearly 3 at night I guess.
 

Deleted member 4461

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad a lot of people found meaning in the movie. Genuinely happy for you, OP :)

I've stated before that it wasn't what I wanted - despite me also being black - but it made a difference for others. So, it's a good thing.
 
Feb 6, 2018
794
Is cool story bro still bannable if its genuine?

Because that was a cool story bro.

It's a shame that a movie so important to so many people makes some other people so fucking mad because of that very fact.
 
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Thatonedice1

Thatonedice1

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,112
Working on that also.
Is cool story bro still bannable if its genuine?

Because that was a cool story bro.

It's a shame that a movie so important to so many people makes some other people so fucking mad because of that very fact.

That's kind of the reason I posted this thread. No one has to like black panther but the importance it's had on black culture and especially black nerd culture is undeniable. For me anyway.
 

Surface of Me

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Oct 25, 2017
3,207
They should've given it better CGI. Honestly that was my biggest problem with it. I guess there are too many movies sapping up the CGI studios but Marvel should've gotten more for it.
 

Bold One

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Oct 30, 2017
18,911
Its also a very good film in its own right.

reducing its quality to mere inclusiveness is a way for detractors to deny it credit for being a solid and even great flick.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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I remember after Wonder Woman came out, a girl on Twitter asked me (a known superhero fanboy) if this is how I felt all the time, because she suddenly felt inspired and pumped up as anything. I had to say, honestly, yeah pretty much.

I'm so happy that finally, finally, everyone who isn't a white dude is getting to see themselves represented in blockbuster genre movies at the highest level. Long overdue. And speaking as someone who works with young kids, I cannot overstate how important it is for them to be shown a world where everything is possible, where everyone is included and represented. It's not just beneficial, it's essential.
 

LilWayneSuckz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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I legit cried when the little boy at the end asks "who are you?"

It means a lot for people, who especially in these superhero movies, who are relegated to sidekicks for the white actor. Seeing all those black faces, and also seeing how black women (and women in general) being depicted as equals, it was excellent.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,055
Appalachia
That was a touching story OP. Black Panther meant a whole lot to my black friends. I've yet to watch it but it's at the top of my list. Thanks a lot for sharing your experience and perspective!
 
Feb 6, 2018
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Its also a very good film in its own right.

reducing its quality to mere inclusiveness is a way for detractors to deny it credit for being a solid and even great flick.
I think that's partly why there was such relief that it actually was really damn good.

It would have been a momentous film regardless the quality but it's awesome that it turned out to be the full package.
 

Akainu

Unshakable Resolve
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Oct 27, 2017
8,242
Everywhere and nowhere
I only really saw it for solidarity sake. It was ok. I want more Blade though. Can we get more blade?

Also how about a blue marvel? You can get rid of captain i won't mind.
 
Oct 28, 2017
27,610
California
Not if Terry Gilliam has anything to say about it!

No but seriously, even though I'm not black it was just cool seeing another POC get the spotlight, and every time BP's box office got higher and higher it was so damn satisfying.
 

Doctor_Thomas

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Oct 27, 2017
9,661
Black Panther is a fantastic film.

I also cannot imagine how hard a line like "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors" would have impacted black people because when heard it my jaw dropped.
 

Black_Stride

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
7,390
Black Panther is a fantastic film.

I also cannot imagine how hard a line like "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors" would have impacted black people because when heard it my jaw dropped.

Im a black african.

And this line hit people quite differently here.
There was a deep sadness that got people.

One of the actors is actually Zambian, the trance state that people had during my viewings was actually insane.
Ive never experienced such a thing watching a movie.....the entire theater was in it.
But what was weird was interviewing people after the movie...alot of them could see parallels with how life is now for us(them).
The ones who cried the hardest were the ones who felt we havent actually gone forward.

Im gonna put a video together of interviews with Zambians post BP when ive got enough to really have a good group/

I love this movie 1 because its actually a good movie, but 2 it got people here to actually start being vocal.
I almost feel ashamed that i travel to the west for job opportunities.
 

TerminusFox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,851
I'm still tripping over the fact that for the first time, people on the internet were questioning Wakanda society and how it couldn't exist in the real world, how it's traditions of throne ascension are archaic, no checks and balances on the throne, terrible military tactics etc etc.

These the same niggas that accept Asgard, a flying aircrafts carrier, talking raccoon, etc, but now you want to add all that other extra shit when it comes to critque of Black Panther?

Fuck outta here
 

Deepthought_

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May 15, 2018
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Um are you serious about that Blade comment? Because this is not the same thing and to implg they are similar soully because they are both black is messed up don't you think?

I'm not a black nerd but I did enjoy Black Panther , killmonger made the movie for me

I hope the poster you quoted was probably saying he wanted to support more black films and Blade I think was one of the first comic book super hero movies , which is long over due for a remake . Even if he has bad taste because Black Panther was good
 

Akainu

Unshakable Resolve
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Oct 27, 2017
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Everywhere and nowhere

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I'm still tripping over the fact that for the first time, people on the internet were questioning Wakanda society and how it couldn't exist in the real world, how it's traditions of throne ascension are archaic, no checks and balances on the throne, terrible military tactics etc etc.

These the same niggas that accept Asgard, a flying aircrafts carrier, talking raccoon, etc, but now you want to add all that other extra shit when it comes to critque of Black Panther?

Fuck outta here

These are the same people who can't understand the parallel between Wakanda and certain western countries, particularly concerning isolationism. There's even talk in the movie about refugees and migrants "bringing their troubles with them" and Wakanda not wanting to deal with that baggage, which is extremely relevant today.
 

Ultima_5

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Oct 25, 2017
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My only problem was that the villains powers were just a copy of the hero. I'm not a huge fan of that and it's been the case in lots of mcu movies.

The cultural impact and reactions were definitely my favorite part of the movie. Or the music. I️ really liked the music
 

aerie

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've still not seen it! I'm so happy to read threads like this to see what movies like this can mean to people, and just the overall importance of representation and diversity, we learn so much through others perspectives and truly all grow, i do really look forward to finally sitting down to watch it. I will soon, and in my defence i'm so far behind on movies, i've not even seen Civil War yet. I will watch Black Panther soon though.
I dunno. All i know is that i want more black heroes.

Is blue marvel on that bingo card too?

I had to look up what Blue Marvel was, thought it was some blue lives matter bs thrown in with MCU lore to throw shade at Black Panther/representation, relieved to just find out it was a character

I worked in a comic book store for years... i uh, wasn't very good at my job, though i mostly did the background stuff, budgeting, taxes, organized events, read tons of indie comics though. I was the no capes guy.
 
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thetrin

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Oct 26, 2017
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If I can tell a story of inclusion myself:

I'm Indian, born in India, but I grew up in the West. Growing up, I watched all the big 80's cartoons religiously. The only cartoons I can think of that had Indian characters at all were Johnny Quest, and MASK. MASK had a character named Ali Bombay, and of course, because I'm Indian, I clung onto him. He was so cool! He had a green motorcycle that turned into a copter!

But I also got into my head that I could never be the hero of my own story. I would always be someone else's sidekick. That, I found really sad. Everyone wants to be the hero of their own story.

I grew out of that perception as I got older, naturally, but when I became an adult, that stuck with me. I don't want any kid growing up thinking they can't be the hero of their story. Imagine how much of a motivation killer that can be. "I can never be a leader. Only a follower". I find that reprehensible.

THAT is why inclusion is so important. Just like I love to see black people in leading roles, I want to see more Indians in leading roles, being powerful, having agency, and not being just a sidekick.
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
13,426
I honestly didn't think other black people felt that way about Goku and the other saiyans. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I didn't cry with BP, but I gotta agree that it's amazing seeing someone who looks like you represented in that fashion. My parents are African, never go to the movies, yet both went to see this together. Y'all I can't remember the last time my parents went out together just the two of them.
 
Mar 10, 2018
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Lovely OP. I too never really knew I wanted to see myself represented on screen until it actually happened. Being black and growing up in nerd culture, we're just so used to not being represented, that it doesn't bother us all that much.

But from the moment T'Challa turned around to smile in Civil War... man... it put the hugest smile on my face as well. Then when he started speaking with T'Chaka in his native tongue... it was too much lol. I was overjoyed. Could not wait for Black Panther. And man did it deliver.
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
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If I can tell a story of inclusion myself:

I'm Indian, born in India, but I grew up in the West. Growing up, I watched all the big 80's cartoons religiously. The only cartoons I can think of that had Indian characters at all were Johnny Quest, and MASK. MASK had a character named Ali Bombay, and of course, because I'm Indian, I clung onto him. He was so cool! He had a green motorcycle that turned into a copter!

But I also got into my head that I could never be the hero of my own story. I would always be someone else's sidekick. That, I found really sad. Everyone wants to be the hero of their own story.

I grew out of that perception as I got older, naturally, but when I became an adult, that stuck with me. I don't want any kid growing up thinking they can't be the hero of their story. Imagine how much of a motivation killer that can be. "I can never be a leader. Only a follower". I find that reprehensible.

THAT is why inclusion is so important. Just like I love to see black people in leading roles, I want to see more Indians in leading roles, being powerful, having agency, and not being just a sidekick.
I'm sorry to hear that =/. It's not a cartoon but have you checked out Sacred Games in Netflix.. I've seen a lot of Indian people on Twitter talking about it being good.
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sweet! Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.
You're welcome! Lemme know how you like it. I want to watch an episode, but an hour is a huge time investment.,so I'm kinda hesitant. Also, I think this is a drama of some sort. Not sure if you're into those.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly didn't think other black people felt that way about Goku and the other saiyans. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I didn't cry with BP, but I gotta agree that it's amazing seeing someone who looks like you represented in that fashion. My parents are African, never go to the movies, yet both went to see this together. Y'all I can't remember the last time my parents went out together just the two of them.
Man I was shocked to see whole groups of older people planning trips to go see it. Didn't give a fuck about marvel movies or even movies before but they went and saw that one.
 

Arta

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Oct 27, 2017
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Don't worry, despite the fact that it was a great movie and the thread topic is about inclusion, somebody will drop by to snidely say the movie was overrated and attempt to derail the conversation.
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man I was shocked to see whole groups of older people planning trips to go see it. Didn't give a fuck about marvel movies or even movies before but they went and saw that one.
Right? It's incredible. A group in my home town even took donations so they could take a huge group of minority kids to see it. I've never seen that happen. They even did it for that one Oprah Winfrey movie, although I don't think that was as successful.
 

Arta

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Oct 27, 2017
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Im a black african.

And this line hit people quite differently here.
There was a deep sadness that got people.

One of the actors is actually Zambian, the trance state that people had during my viewings was actually insane.
Ive never experienced such a thing watching a movie.....the entire theater was in it.
But what was weird was interviewing people after the movie...alot of them could see parallels with how life is now for us(them).
The ones who cried the hardest were the ones who felt we havent actually gone forward.

Im gonna put a video together of interviews with Zambians post BP when ive got enough to really have a good group/

I love this movie 1 because its actually a good movie, but 2 it got people here to actually start being vocal.
I almost feel ashamed that i travel to the west for job opportunities.
I'm eager to see those videos when you are ready.

It really stirred up more conversation online than indie Black/ minority films, which shows how important mainstream movies like this are in popular consciousness.
 

Kthulhu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Im a black african.

And this line hit people quite differently here.
There was a deep sadness that got people.

One of the actors is actually Zambian, the trance state that people had during my viewings was actually insane.
Ive never experienced such a thing watching a movie.....the entire theater was in it.
But what was weird was interviewing people after the movie...alot of them could see parallels with how life is now for us(them).
The ones who cried the hardest were the ones who felt we havent actually gone forward.

Im gonna put a video together of interviews with Zambians post BP when ive got enough to really have a good group/

I love this movie 1 because its actually a good movie, but 2 it got people here to actually start being vocal.
I almost feel ashamed that i travel to the west for job opportunities.

You should make a new thread for it. I'd be really interested seeing their perspective on the movie.

Have you watched Emara? I feel like you'd be into it looking at your responses in this thread.



The people who made this must be huge anime fans, cus there are a few references I noticed in that opening.
 

Violence Jack

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Oct 25, 2017
41,855
I'm not going to get into my thoughts on the movie again on here. But as a black nerd, I agree. I think I related more with Shuri than anyone else in the film. BPs impact has really been a beautiful sight to behold.
 

jwk94

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Oct 25, 2017
13,426
Speaking of black movies, what's that movie with the kid who finds this super powerful gun cannon thing? I think it has James Franco in it? Supposed to come out this year.

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Never mind, it's Kin. That movie looks good.
 

Harkins1721

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Jan 11, 2018
165
Just like Wonder Women I didnt find the movie all that special. But thats why people have different tastes. The movie didnt speak to me like it did to others. I definitely liked parts of it and Nakia, Okoye, Shuri all either kicked ass and are just very beautiful in the movie. I liked the fight scene in the bar a lot too.