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johancruijff

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As a result EU and Japan leaders will sign the agreement at the EU-Japan summit that will take place on 11 July in Brussels.
After next week's signature, the European Parliament is expected to vote upon it in the autumn.
Once procedures are finalised both at the EU level and in Japan, the agreement will enter into force in early 2019.

Cecilia Malmström said:
I'm very pleased that EU member states have now given their formal backing. The EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement is the biggest and most advanced bilateral agreement ever negotiated by the European Union. It creates a free trade zone covering 600 million people and a third of global GDP. Together with our Japanese partners we are sending a strong signal to the world that we still believe in open trade and that protectionism is never the answer. The economic benefits of this agreement are clear. It will eliminate the vast majority of duties paid by our firms and simplify customs procedures across the board. The deal will open huge market opportunities for both sides. European agriculture also has something to celebrate, with access to the enormous Japanese market and protection for over 200 distinctive food and drinks, like Champagne and Parma ham. I now call on the European Parliament to approve this agreement quickly so that European firms, citizens and farmers can reap the benefits of this deal as soon as possible


EU weebs rejoice!
 

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Europe making progress while the UK and America seek regress. Maybe I should move to Germany.
 
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Does that mean no import taxes for me or is it just for companies?

Import taxes are usually VAT, so unless the company which sells you goods pays them for you, it will remain, even with the free-trade deal. You are unlikely to see a direct benefit, but the businesses in EU/JP will be able to export/import goods easier.

You can always ask them to declare a much lower value, most Chinese sellers will declare a $20 value by default.
 

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That's great.

You really gonna stay out of all this, America? You really think you are stronger alone?
 

Chamaeleonx

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We live in a strange timeline where the old WW2 Axis of Evil are now the good guys and partner up for such a big trade zone. The EU continues to gobble up its old Allies. What if the EU will now take over the world slowly but steadily?
 

Erpy

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We live in a strange timeline where the old WW2 Axis of Evil are now the good guys and partner up for such a big trade zone. The EU continues to gobble up its old Allies. What if the EU will now take over the world slowly but steadily?

Don't count on it. From a military POV we can't hold a candle to the larger powers and there's still loads of backbiting from within. Heck, 1/3th of the old Axis is currently controlled by populists.
 

Chamaeleonx

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Import taxes are usually VAT, so unless the company which sells you goods pays them for you, it will remain, even with the free-trade deal. You are unlikely to see a direct benefit, but the businesses in EU/JP will be able to export/import goods easier.

You can always ask them to declare a much lower value, most Chinese sellers will declare a $20 value by default.
Hopefully now I don't have to go to the office to get stuff that comes from Japan because of import duties. =/
Also, not having to pay it at the door would be nice as well.
 

Qvoth

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The EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement is the biggest and most advanced bilateral agreement ever negotiated by the European Union. It creates a free trade zone covering 600 million people and a third of global GDP.
dayum
 

Chamaeleonx

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Don't count on it. From a military POV we can't hold a candle to the larger powers and there's still loads of backbiting from within. Heck, 1/3th of the old Axis is currently controlled by populists.
Obviously it is not obvious right now and difficult, but wouldn't it be nice and quite ironic?
I don't think we need that big of a military if the others keep themself in check with nuclear weapons (everybody knows we all die if one uses one of them).
Reminds me of these Eurasian Alliances out of Sci-fi stuff.
 

Joni

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Don't count on it. From a military POV we can't hold a candle to the larger powers and there's still loads of backbiting from within. Heck, 1/3th of the old Axis is currently controlled by populists.

European Union member states' army combined would outrank any military aside from the US. Even without the UK.
 

Ac30

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We live in a strange timeline where the old WW2 Axis of Evil are now the good guys and partner up for such a big trade zone. The EU continues to gobble up its old Allies. What if the EU will now take over the world slowly but steadily?

No thanks. Armenia/Turkey (maybe in 50 years) is as far as I'd want it stretched.
 

Chamaeleonx

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No thanks. Armenia/Turkey (maybe in 50 years) is as far as I'd want it stretched.
So you want to keep the world as is with Russia, current America, Middle East and China? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Doesn't have to be completely connected too. But surrounding Russia while taking in Japan, Thailand, Korea, China and stuff would be interesting.

Is cheese that expensive in Japan?
I would imagine as it is not a product generally produced there. Goes hand in hand with the higher lactose intolerant percentage of the Japanese population, at least I believe.
 
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Doesn't have to be completely connected too. But surrounding Russia while taking in Japan, Thailand, Korea, China and stuff would be interesting.


Vlad and Russia are giant assholes with all their shennaigans but the level of comfort have with the current Chinese order is frightening. They are far more frightening then Vlad's online troll army. They whisper sweet nothings while tightening their authoriatrian noose and slipping the dagger into the ribs.
 

Chamaeleonx

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Vlad and Russia are giant assholes with all their shennaigans but the level of comfort have with the current Chinese order is frightening. They are far more frightening then Vlad's online troll army. They whisper sweet nothings while tightening their authoriatrian noose and slipping the dagger into the ribs.
Obviously I meant it in a way of the EU having more power than whoever rules China once we get to this point. Don't mistake that for me saying that we should simply accept China and lay down for them. The, while not perfect, is better then China and should obviously lead. This assumes that the world and humanity generally comes closer together regarding values and government form, like a lot of streams slowly merging together into one.
 

Arebours

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Great, as a Swede in Japan I've been looking forward to this. I wonder if snus is too much to hope for?
 

Lucumo

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Meh, I import from Japan anyway. So unless they open an import shop here that makes it worthwhile (or adjust the prices accordingly), it doesn't really matter to me.
 

Ac30

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So you want to keep the world as is with Russia, current America, Middle East and China? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Doesn't have to be completely connected too. But surrounding Russia while taking in Japan, Thailand, Korea, China and stuff would be interesting.


I would imagine as it is not a product generally produced there. Goes hand in hand with the higher lactose intolerant percentage of the Japanese population, at least I believe.

It's stood for 70 years, and I'd rather not have Russia fuck shit up while in the EU.
 

Chamaeleonx

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It's stood for 70 years, and I'd rather not have Russia fuck shit up while in the EU.
You seem to think I want negative regimes like Russia have a big voice and free reign in the EU. Clearly nobody would want that.

Crazy ass Europeans and your bizarre region based good name intellectual property.
It protects local economy and local jobs in more rural areas, doesn't seem that bad. Also gives your country more of an identity in terms of food culture.
 

Typhon

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That's great.

You really gonna stay out of all this, America? You really think you are stronger alone?

Not everything is about the US. How about we talk about how this benefits the EU and Japan and not a third party who has no involvement and wouldn't regardless of who was in office?
 

MrKlaw

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My wife works for a company that sells Japanese food making equipment. I wonder if this will save them time/money - and then we leave the EU and throw away free trade access to 600m people :(
 

IpKaiFung

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Does that mean no import taxes for me or is it just for companies?

You'll still have to pay import VAT.

You won't have to pay import customs duties however if the goods come under this agreement.

but customs duty only comes into play on parcels over £135 in value and is usually a lower percentage (1 to 3 %) than the standard rate of VAT in the member state.

Doesn't mean much if you are a direct importer but it may be easier to buy Japanese goods in the eu as businesses maybe more open to import goods because the customs duties currently eat into their profit margins.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

applicable rules for postal imports, rules are the same in other eu member states.

I think I need to point out that what a free trade arrangement does is that there will be an agreement between the EU and Japan that certain goods ( commodities) will now attract a 0% customs duty rate.

However to receive the preferential duty the supplier will need a preference document confirming that the goods meet the agreed rules of origin set out by the free trade arrangement.

A customs clearance declaration still needs to be completed for the goods to be allowed into free circulation.

If Japan agreed to join the customs union however then the goods could come to another member state without a customs clearance being required.

for more info about FTAs https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ade-arrangements-for-countries-outside-the-eu
 
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