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LL_Decitrig

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That's kind of the reason I posted this thread. No one has to like black panther but the importance it's had on black culture and especially black nerd culture is undeniable. For me anyway.

Before I even saw the film, that video showing a majority black classroom of kids all dancing in joy when they were told they were going to see it, that told me this was going to be a cultural event more than a film.

Original poster, I'm with you on the significance of Killmonger's dying reference to the transatlantic slave ships. While he's a brutal and deeply damaged individual, Killmonger also speaks a truth rarely acknowledged. And he is, in part, instrumental in initiating Wakanda's outreach programme to the descendants of slaves.

As a white child growing up in the English northeast, one of the most moving events of my life was the sight of Tommie Smith and John Carlos standing on the Olympic podium, heads bowed, giving the black power salute in 1968. It saddened me later, to learn how both athletes suffered in their careers for this gesture of hope. But it reached me, and surely other kids in my school as we grew up in one of the whitest parts of England. We saw that gesture. We saw some Americans who, having excelled in their chosen field, recognised that there was still important work to be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute

So if that gesture could reach me as a white child in England, how much more welcome the effect of this and other blockbuster films on black kids in America.
 
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They don't hear you though, Thatonedice1


Honestly, seeing people around the world embrace Black Panther was one of the coolest things in life from my perspective as a life long geek.

The excitement from other black folks was so real; everyone was here for it.

A big part of the backlash was the fact that so many people were excited to watch a film without a white protagonist. Imagine all the effects of constantly watching media centered around white people and how that makes whites feel vs how it makes everyone feel. Now you've got people celebrating that we don't have a white hero; the people who cling to their idealized white version of heroes got very upset that people were excited about breaking that status quo.

Art is subjective but I have to laugh when people call Black Panther boring but laud shit like Spider-Man 2.

Black Panther is a great movie and I'm super excited for its sequels. I want it to get even more weird, fantastic and cosmic but it's already there in the Black Panther lore. The best part of Black Panther, to me, is that is was for fun. People of color are too often left out of the fun shit like superheroes and sci-fi action films.


Kids imaginations are segregated because every damn hero is white and even non white hero's like Goku turn into aryan supermen... what the fuck is that? I think that may be part of the reason higher level of super sayians hair turns red and blue these days.

Anyway, this is definitely a Black Panther Saturday morning for me and I'm about watch this beautiful film yet again.

This conversation is super important to me though; mass media and society- geek shit and children's imaginations being colonized and shaping our worldviews at young ages, makes young POC see ourselves as side characters instead of primary protagonists. It is important and we need less homogeneous heroes and more primary characters that look like real world people.
 

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Movie was alright but had issues. Killmonger was rad.

I really didn't like the tag along CIA guy or his character arc. Felt like "White people pls watch our movie, see you have a good guy"
 
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Don't worry, despite the fact that it was a great movie and the thread topic is about inclusion, somebody will drop by to snidely say the movie was overrated and attempt to derail the conversation.


Right, head too far up their own ass to realize just because they personally don't like something doesn't mean it's overrated.
 

DigitalOp

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As overrated as this movie is, the representation/inclusion is nice.

Don't worry, despite the fact that it was a great movie and the thread topic is about inclusion, somebody will drop by to snidely say the movie was overrated and attempt to derail the conversation.

Too late.


Fantastic OP that explains the beauty of this movie.

And to all the bad actors getting ready to post in the thread, if you aren't going to specifically talk about inclusion factor and are just getting ready to drop your stale opinion on the film

Can you fuck off?
 

thetrin

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Movie was alright but had issues. Killmonger was rad.

I really didn't like the tag along CIA guy or his character arc. Felt like "White people pls watch our movie, see you have a good guy"
Well, I mean, he's an established Black Panther character from the comics. They didn't invent him for the movie.

Kids imaginations are segregated because every damn hero is white and even non white hero's like Goku turn into aryan supermen... what the fuck is that? I think that may be part of the reason higher level of super sayians hair turns red and blue these days.
BINGO! POC deserve to have to have a hero to look up to. They deserve to believe they can be the hero of their own story.
 
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Yeah, you seriously need to decolonize your mind if you think Goku is a white dude.

Not even dissing you, maybe you're joking but think critically about where Goku lives, how he was raised, his name, what he eats and how does any of that end up making you believe he's some European dude?

He's based on a Chinese mythological figure and his name is Goku... lol
 

LL_Decitrig

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I believe he's initially depicted as a Chinese boy with the tail of a monkey (Toriyama was inspired by the Chinese novel Journey into the West, which features a powerful talking monkey character as its main protagonist). We later find he's of extraterrestrial origin, for what it's worth.
 

jwk94

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Yeah, you seriously need to decolonize your mind if you think Goku is a white dude.

Not even dissing you, maybe you're joking but think critically about where Goku lives, how he was raised, his name, what he eats and how does any of that end up making you believe he's some European dude?

He's based on a Chinese mythological figure and his name is Goku... lol

I believe he's initially depicted as a Chinese boy with the tail of a monkey (Toriyama was inspired by the Chinese novel Journey into the West, which features a powerful talking monkey character as its main protagonist). We later find he's of extraterrestrial origin, for what it's worth.
Ah, I never really thought of that. Thanks!
 

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I cried at all the black excellence in this film.

It's awesome how it follows of a wave of very cool black milestones this year.

It's release is also very therapeutic during these times. I'm not even going to lie about that.

Honestly, when people knock the film meh. Their opinions matter very little. But I'm saluting every single milestone it'll hit award wise & drinking the tears of the lowkey bigots.

Something, something more black super hero flicks.
 
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Ah, I never really thought of that. Thanks!

It's understandable. Mass media conditions most of us to believe white people are the default so because most anime characters aren't drawn in a way that makes us think "distinctly stereotypical Asian" we just assume the characters are white but Asians don't need to make their characters look like what we imagine Asians to look like for them to be what they are


Like, Goku doesn't need to be realistically depicted like Tetsuo to still be a distinctively Asian character
 

Zukuu

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A big part of the backlash was the fact that so many people were excited to watch a film without a white protagonist. Imagine all the effects of constantly watching media centered around white people and how that makes whites feel vs how it makes everyone feel. Now you've got people celebrating that we don't have a white hero; the people who cling to their idealized white version of heroes got very upset that people were excited about breaking that status quo.
There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.
 

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There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.


I feel like BP is one of the first Superhero movies that celebrated it. Plus MCU is immensely popular.
 

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I love what this movie does for inclusion, and I really enjoyed the movie itself too (best female characters in a superhero movie, for one). BP was my favorite part of Civil War, and I was disappointed in his relatively small role in Infinity War.

Being Asian, I was fortunate enough to see people like me in heroic roles while growing up (mainly HK stuff) since Asian cinema is its own thing. But given Asian representation in Hollywood, I definitely know how it feels to be completely underrepresented and how important representation is. Aside from being on the higher echelon of Marvel films (and even if you think it's average, so what? They're comic book movies, they're just for fun), hopefully it'll remind Hollywood that you don't need white people everywhere to make a quality film or be a bestseller.
 

LL_Decitrig

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This is why I want a queer main character so badly.

In my head canon at least, Deadpool is already there. Then there's the whole "X-Men as metaphor" phenomenon. But yes, in a world where the default popular culture is overwhelmingly straight, comic book films are in a very strong position to provide more diverse representations of queer people.
 

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I too got caught up in the hype of seeing my people in a big budget superhero film, and I walked out of it feeling pretty great haha. Haven't seen a movie with a black audience that enthusiastic ever. Killmonger's last line also hit me hard, though mostly because I couldn't believe how real they let him get in a movie of that stature.

Every mention of "colonizer" got the hardest laughs out of me.
 

DigitalOp

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There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.

Please point me to this vast array of blockbuster films that are from the whole perspective of a Black protagonist and don't just feature a Black person as the lead without adopting full commentary of the Black American experience and African colonization as it's central themes.

What's funny is you say these films exists and didn't even list one.

Stay salty friends
 
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Just wish I could like this movie as much as everyone else. Maybe something with click on the 4th viewing, I don't know what it is about that first hour.

But he didn't need to be as important as he was. During the final sequence in particular.
I mean, I'm not gonna knock the movie for properly using their supporting cast.

My only issue with that sequence was that in looked MUCH COOLER in the trailer.
 
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There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.

No, it's the first to do a lot of things I forgot to mention.

It's the first American made superhero film with an African protagonist; at least that I can think of(feel free to correct me), certainly of this budget though

It's the first film of this high a budget with a nearly all black cast.

It's the first studio action film in the Afrofuturism genre, unless you can think of any others?

Black Panther is the highest grossing film ever by a black writer and director, isn't it?

I'm sure I could sit here and think of more "firsts" for BP behind and in front of the camera relating to budget and box office performance for a film with its African setting & racial makeup of its writer/director, majority cast and designers.

Black Panther definitely was a pioneer film in many ways, I don't know why you want to downplay it?
 
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BP is in my top 3 Marvel movies, easily. Its setting and supporting cast are too damn good, and I think T'Challa's character is underrated. People just took his reserved nature as bland characterization. He is a very strong hero, mentally and emotionally.
 

DigitalOp

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No, it's the first to do a lot of things I forgot to mention.

It's the first American made superhero film with an African protagonist; at least that I can think of(feel free to correct me), certainly of this budget though

It's the first film of this high a budget with a nearly all black cast.

It's the first studio action film in the Afrofuturism genre, unless you can think of any others?

Black Panther is the highest grossing film ever by a black writer and director, isn't it?

I'm sure I could sit here and think of more "firsts" for BP behind and in front of the camera relating to budget and box office performance for a film with its African setting & racial makeup of its writer/director, majority cast and designers.

Black Panther definitely was a pioneer film in many ways, I don't know why you want to downplay it?

That weapon is so elegant
 

kswiston

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There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.

Black Panther is the first film with a majority black cast, led by black creatives, to get a budget over $100M iirc. Since True Lies in 1994, there have been hundreds of films over that budget mark. This is the first one from a black perspective. People like to bring up Blade, but that was a mid-budget film, made by white guys, starring a majority white cast. Having a black lead and love interest doesn't make it Black Panther.
 

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Absolutely. Very important movie in that regard.
Personally, i thought the cast was let down by bad writing and weird decisions. I thought the movie wasn't good, while having an amazing cast. Individual performances were great. But the movie as a whole... i think the cast deserved better. But it's a stepping stone. And a very important one. Reactions around the world have made that clear. And your story is a great example. Thank you for sharing. Makes it hard for me to say i thought the movue wasn't that great while that wasn't the significance of it.
 

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Thanks for sharing, dude. I think I've gotten more enjoyment out of hearing stories like yours about how impactful the movie was to the black community than I did actually watching the movie haha, which is really cool.

I've been a somewhat harsh critic of the movie, and that's nothing to do with me wanting to take anything away from what a milestone the movie is but all about a desire to make the inevitable sequel that much better.
 

DigitalOp

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Black Panther is the first film with a majority black cast, led by black creatives, to get a budget over $100M iirc. Since True Lies in 1994, there have been hundreds of films over that budget mark. This is the first one from a black perspective. People like to bring up Blade, but that was a mid-budget film, made by white guys, starring a majority white cast. Having a black lead and love interest doesn't make it Black Panther.

Let alone the movie fucking Rated R.

What a wholesome family film that can even introduce a conversation about race and history of colonialism.

Just don't mind the F Bombs and gratutious Gore kids!!!
 

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This might be called Bi Lighting, but it also goes into how actual film stock was created for lighter skin tones (read: white). Black people and others with high melanin content would look underlit in shots compared to their white co-stars in the same shot. It's similar to how earlier automatic paper towel and soap dispensers couldn't detect darker skin.
 

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Black Panther is the first film with a majority black cast, led by black creatives, to get a budget over $100M iirc. Since True Lies in 1994, there have been hundreds of films over that budget mark. This is the first one from a black perspective. People like to bring up Blade, but that was a mid-budget film, made by white guys, starring a majority white cast. Having a black lead and love interest doesn't make it Black Panther.
Disney/Marvel would have had to be incredibly dense to under budget this movie compared to it others.
 

kswiston

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Disney/Marvel would have had to be incredibly dense to under budget this movie compared to it others.

Ya, but they went in the other direction and made BP the most expensive MCU solo film to date, pairing it with one of their biggest marketing pushes outside of the Avengers stuff.
 

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This might be called Bi Lighting, but it also goes into how actual film stock was created for lighter skin tones (read: white). Black people and others with high melanin content would look underlit in shots compared to their white co-stars in the same shot. It's similar to how earlier automatic paper towel and soap dispensers couldn't detect darker skin.


This is a very important yet not very well-understood issue
 

Arta

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No, it's the first to do a lot of things I forgot to mention.

It's the first American made superhero film with an African protagonist; at least that I can think of(feel free to correct me), certainly of this budget though

It's the first film of this high a budget with a nearly all black cast.

It's the first studio action film in the Afrofuturism genre, unless you can think of any others?

Black Panther is the highest grossing film ever by a black writer and director, isn't it?

I'm sure I could sit here and think of more "firsts" for BP behind and in front of the camera relating to budget and box office performance for a film with its African setting & racial makeup of its writer/director, majority cast and designers.

Black Panther definitely was a pioneer film in many ways, I don't know why you want to downplay it?
I think his level of safety hovers around Denzel being the sole black character and lead in a movie.
 

Zukuu

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Please point me to this vast array of blockbuster films that are from the whole perspective of a Black protagonist and don't just feature a Black person as the lead without adopting full commentary of the Black American experience and African colonization as it's central themes.

What's funny is you say these films exists and didn't even list one.

Stay salty friends
What's with that attitude? All the things you listed, weren't in the post I quoted, so please stop moving goal posts, just so you can berate.
 

SonofDonCD

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I only really saw it for solidarity sake. It was ok. I want more Blade though. Can we get more blade?
Every goddamned time...

Blade is NOTHING like Black Panther. As explained in so many other threads, Blade, while being the first depicted solo black superhero on-screen, wasn't about him being black. If they changed his race for some reason, the movie wouldn't have needed to change one bit. It was incidental that he's a black character (and that's neither good nor bad, but it's what it is).

But beyond that fact, it was done on a relatively small budget, and wasn't anything close to a huge blockbuster hit, not even for its time. But Black Panther had all of the might, money and clout of both Marvel Studios, the hottest movie production company out there, and freaking DISNEY! They spent over $200 million dollars making this film, a number no other black film in history has ever gotten close to having, and they made it back 6-7x. This is BY FAR the biggest commercial success for a (nearly) all black film in history, no matter the genre. Blade, Meteor Man, Blank Man, Steel, none of these films can say that. AND this had a predominantly black production crew, at least in the leadership/head of dept. roles.

And lastly, why so many black people talk about Black Panther so lovingly is not because it was literally the first black superhero movie, but because it's the first one to actually SPEAK to them. The first one to actually and actively make them feel good, both about themselves and their culture at large. We weren't in a slum or ghetto in the worst neighborhood in town; no, we were in Africa, a place normally depicted as just a poor, third-world country (though it's a continent, and a LARGE one) that can't do anything on its own without charity from other countries. We weren't drug dealers or basketball players or rappers, or anything nearly so stereotypical; no, we were kings and queens (more on that in a bit). We were the best warriors and scientists in the world. We had a society that valued women more than any other place in the world, and they were just as integral to the Utopian society running as any man. And they did this without the help from the West. This was done totally on their own, which ups the level of pride exponentially.

This movie uplifted blacks, not just in America but all across the Diaspora, and back home on the Continent.

What's this about Blade again?
There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.
Again, it's not strictly about being first. Apple wasn't the first to create what we now call smartphones, but they perfected the formula so much that nobody really talks about the PDA's beforehand that did a lot of what the first iPhone did. Being first is cool, but it doesn't always matter in the end. Black Panther did so many other things better and/or right that the very few black superhero films before never did. None of them addressed the same issues and none of them were nearly as uplifting and aspirational.

Why is it so hard for some people to get that? Hmm, I wonder.....

Im a black african.

And this line hit people quite differently here.
There was a deep sadness that got people.

One of the actors is actually Zambian, the trance state that people had during my viewings was actually insane.
Ive never experienced such a thing watching a movie.....the entire theater was in it.
But what was weird was interviewing people after the movie...alot of them could see parallels with how life is now for us(them).
The ones who cried the hardest were the ones who felt we havent actually gone forward.

Im gonna put a video together of interviews with Zambians post BP when ive got enough to really have a good group/

I love this movie 1 because its actually a good movie, but 2 it got people here to actually start being vocal.
I almost feel ashamed that i travel to the west for job opportunities.
Please share this with the board.

After I saw the movie, I went scouring all over the internet to see as much responses from the continent as I could. I knew how African Americans took to the film, but I wanted to see the other side of it. How would Africans take to this respectful, but still American-tinged take on African culture? Overwhelmingly what I saw was positive, but I still would love to see more.

No a moment but a movement
Damn straight.

One thing I'd like to add about my personal views. I never cried watching this film. I think I'm old enough and understand the world enough where it didn't hit me emotionally in the same way. However, what I did feel was such an overwhelming sense of pride in the film, that I saw it 5 times. Never saw a movie that many times. It means so much to me to see Africa, and Africans in general, not seen as poor, helpless "African Booty Scratchers", like we all were conditioned to say back in the day. To move past that depiction, and to see how, even if just in a fictional world, life could've gone in a different direction if the West had only come there in peace, not for conquest. Imagine the history we could've saved, the lives that instead of being lost could've helped spread knowledge and healing, the unity the world might've worked towards. Such a waste.

Anyway, the one moment that ALMOST got me, though, was the first time T'Challa goes to ancestral plane, and sees his father. He gets down on one knee, and cries into his hand, saying "I'm sorry". T'Chaka, with a boom in his voice decries: "STAND UP! You are a king!"

Now, that line can just be taken at face value. He's telling his son that he's ascended to the throne now, so there's no need for him to bow down. But I feel like that line has meaning for all of the black folk watching. The movie, already so inspirational, feels like it's telling me that we are all kings and queens and we should stand up for ourselves. That might be me reading into the scene, but there is so much allegory going on in this film already that I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional. In any case, that scene always gives me goosebumps and almost teary-eyed.

God, I freakin' love this movie.
 

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Read your whole post and all I gotta say is fuck yea. Loved reading that and got nothing to add but a bro fist.
 

DigitalOp

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What's with that attitude? All the things you listed, weren't in the post I quoted, so please stop moving goal posts, just so you can berate.

Ahh, ERA buzzwords. Goalposts. Nice.

Elegant said the movie doesnt have a white protagonist and doesn't center around a white perspective.

You come back and talk about movies with black protagonists and forget that pretty much all of those films still center around a white perspective for white film audiences.

I give you more context on why the film matters and now you cite 'goalposts' because you're embarrassed that you out here trying a down play a film that you don't even understand.

This tea tastes amazing.

And while your at it, you can respond to Elegant as well. He gave you a nice reponse.
 
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Ahh, ERA buzzwords. Goalposts. Nice.

Elegant said the movie doesnt have a white protagonist and doesn't center around a white perspective.

You come back and talk about movies with black protagonists and forget that pretty much all of those films still center around a white perspective for white film audiences.

I give you more context on why the film matters and now you cite 'goalposts' because you're embarrassed that you out here trying a down play a film that you don't even understand.

This tea tastes amazing.

And while your at it, you can respond to Elegant as well. He gave you a nice reponse.

Thank you!
 

Ferrs

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I'm white and non-American but it's not hard to see why BP is one of a kind in it's genre.
It's not only a black protagonist, is an all cast of black characters, directed by a black director. But it's not only that, it offers a setting inspired in african culture, and a story, especially with Killmonger, that resonates with the reality of a lot of the black community in America.

It's not simply about a black character, everything about the movie is about black culture. And the best part it's that it's a superhero film, not because its the best genre, but is a genre that tends to empower it's character, and it's about time that we get black characters with african culture empowered and celebrated, instead of having yet another slave movie.
 
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Please point me to this vast array of blockbuster films that are from the whole perspective of a Black protagonist and don't just feature a Black person as the lead without adopting full commentary of the Black American experience and African colonization as it's central themes.

What's funny is you say these films exists and didn't even list one.

Stay salty friends

I mean, there was Blade Trilogy and Spawn. I guess that's like 5 out of like 100 films or 200.

But, I get what OP is saying though. If you geeky as hell this is dope for you. I never got into cosplay growing up mainly because I never understood cosplaying while black. We have a real short list of characters we can be without race bending or being obscure or just leaning into stereotypes.

So, while I'm not the biggest fan of the film. Having black characters is pretty cool.
 

godofcookery

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No, it's the first to do a lot of things I forgot to mention.

It's the first American made superhero film with an African protagonist; at least that I can think of(feel free to correct me), certainly of this budget though

It's the first film of this high a budget with a nearly all black cast.

It's the first studio action film in the Afrofuturism genre, unless you can think of any others?

Black Panther is the highest grossing film ever by a black writer and director, isn't it?

I'm sure I could sit here and think of more "firsts" for BP behind and in front of the camera relating to budget and box office performance for a film with its African setting & racial makeup of its writer/director, majority cast and designers.

Black Panther definitely was a pioneer film in many ways, I don't know why you want to downplay it?

I also found it to be one of the first films that addresses meaningfully an aspect of the relationship between Black Americans and Africans. Also told through the lens of a first generation American as his parent helplessly watches them stray from his roots. Killmonger has no respect for these roots, and is rightfully idicting the culture and practices that led to his father's death. The movie uses Killmonger's actions to illustrate this, when he breaks the spear for combat efficiency before his first fight with t'challa, or burns the purple herb. Killmonger is an angry Uncle Ben that forces BP to reflect on just how much responsibility great power has. I haven't seen any movies dissect this kind of thing, much less a superhero film.
 

DigitalOp

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I mean, there was Blade Trilogy and Spawn. I guess that's like 5 out of like 100 films or 200.

But, I get what OP is saying though. If you geeky as hell this is dope for you. I never got into cosplay growing up mainly because I never understood cosplaying while black. We have a real short list of characters we can be without race bending or being obscure or just leaning into stereotypes.

So, while I'm not the biggest fan of the film. Having black characters is pretty cool.

You missed the point here.

Like others have said before, Black Protagonist does not mean Black Experience or Black Perspective.

You can replace Blade and Al Simmons with Women, LGBT, or even a CGI Dolphin. Nothing will change the film. It won't change the story.

You can't do that with Black Panther.

The story is firmly about an African Prince becoming a king and dealing with the legacy of his father's mistakes of leaving his cousin in a country that hates him due to his race and how he should choose to lead his uncolonized advanced African country going forward.

It's impossible to take the Black out of that.

We've never had a multi million dollar blockbuster film that spoke like that.