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chaos_planes

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Oct 28, 2017
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No of course I wouldn't employ a trumper. same with a bernie bro. if you're alt right or suffering """"economic anxiety"""" you won't work for me.
 

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I think they would tell you they'd be just fine with not having a liberal boss, and vice versa. US isolated themselves from the world, and then each other.

2028
 

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I find it interesting that people readily equate Trump supporters with Nazis, racists, and idiots, rather than , say, the disenfranchised and ignored working classes .
I'm sorry but if you're a Trump supporter at THIS point in time, after all the evidence that Trump himself is at best an egotistical idiotic racist sympathizer and at worst (most likely worst) a fascist and bigot...

You are equatable to a Nazi, racist, or idiot.

That's why I wouldn't hire one. They're either a bigoted piece of shit; or someone who probably wouldn't be a good worker due to being easily mislead.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most people try not to talk about politics at work and go about their day. I'm sure where I work now there are Trump supporters, but no one talks about politics and we all get along.
Racists don't need to "talk about politics" to cause problems in the workplace. It's nice that they're managing to keep their hatred quiet in your workplace though I guess?
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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The only Trump supporter I could realistically hire is one that admits they made a mistake and are able to articulate it with mostly honesty.

It is not easy for most people to admit they screwed up when they think they originally were morally justified.

So many Trump supporters are still doubling down even though they have directly been screwed with.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is the endgame full unemployment for all Trump supporters, or that they only work at places owned by other Trump supporters?
If a Trump supporter is capable of hiding their racism/bigotry and working with other employees of different ethnicities/genders/sexualities then sure, whatever they should be hired. That's all usually very easy to catch in interview process & probation period however.

Or if they stop being racist/bigots in general, I'm also not sure I'd call those people Trump supporters at that point though? Ex-Trump supporters I guess? I'm not sure how it's possible to support Trump after you've given up your racism.
 

TaterTots

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Oct 27, 2017
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Racists don't need to "talk about politics" to cause problems in the workplace. It's nice that they're managing to keep their hatred quiet in your workplace though I guess?

There have been no problems as of yet. People tend to act normal and let their colors show once they are in private, closed doors. I'm still in training along with 30 other individuals and we all get along and cut up. Mathematically speaking, there has to be at least a few racists and Trump supporters there, but they do not let it show. Also, it is nice. I don't wanna deal with that shit.
 

ItsBobbyDarin

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Oct 28, 2017
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Of course, I would.

But I would not hesitate to fire someone if they act racist, bigot, sexist, homophobic or other. Those kind of people are on both parties, so no reason to discriminate someone due to their political views.
 

Serif

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm tired of playing thought experiments around hypothetical Trump supporters.

The lack of empathy and critical thinking it takes to support Trump is an independent and sufficient reason to not hire someone. I'd more likely hire someone who abstained or voted third-party.

If the position is competitive, why settle?
 

N.Domixis

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Oct 28, 2017
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In some states this is illegal actually. Discriminating based on political beliefs.

Key phrasing is not about asking, but making your decision on that knowledge. That is illegal in NY and California if I recall.
Sometimes we just have to breaks laws for the greater good.

I wouldnt hire trumpers.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If as an employer for whatever reason you decide to break the law and not hire someone based on political affiliation - you probably wouldn't do that to high-profile candidates, they would be an exception. Because it's in your business' best interest to hire the best talent possible. If the candidate is amazing and you don't hire them someone will snatch them up in the blink of an eye. They have way too many opportunities for employment, in fact you're lucky if a high-profile candidate even works for you. If there's 10 companies that want him, why should he pick yours?

But most of us are NOT "high-profile" bad-asses with 15 years experience and a PhD in CS with a focus in AI.... so you probably could reject the average low/medium level employee based on discrimination and not suffer any businesses consequences since low/med level employees aren't too hard to find. You'd just find someone else. With the high-profile candidate, you might not have a choice. There might not be anyone else like him looking for work at current time.
 

Occam

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why would anyone want employees who are not good at thinking?

Fake edit: Yes I know, the military needs cannon fodder.
 

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I like how deciding not to hire a person because of obvious character flaws and a lack of intelligence is now "breaking the law"
 

Ashidome

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Jun 28, 2018
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User Banned (Permanent): Putting feminism on par with Nazism, normalising Nazism, concern trolling, account still in junior phase.
That'd be pretty tough unless it's a solo job. Most jobs require working with others and how well they would work with the rest of the team.

Unless the rest of the team are straight white men that kinda rules out a Trump supporter ever being "best person for the job."


I'll try to let this be my last posting in this thread, but I have to say: This is such a baffeling, ignorant attitude.

You're saying that ALL people who voted for the other of two relevant parties are the same. Do you not realize how that's exactly what fascists do? Dehumanize people, get rid of the individual value, only comprehend 'them' as a group. Now you'll reply 'but they dehumanize others!', but even if it were true, you're doing the exact same thing right now. But og course you're wrong. People are individuals and act as such, therefore you ought to look at them as such. I've worked with both stark feminists and literal nazis, and aside from political debate, some of them were fine people. When you engage in talks with them, it quickly becomes obvious why they are the way they are.

Which is why I hate to see push for further divide in this thread. Don't write people off for their political views.

But if you do: Don't talk, fight.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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I find it interesting that people readily equate Trump supporters with Nazis, racists, and idiots, rather than , say, the disenfranchised and ignored working classes .
Lmao. This is really good. Here's an example of a disenfranchised working class voter

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Rayne

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Oct 25, 2017
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When your political view is mired in falsehoods and bullshit hell yeah I'm writing you off.

And this fear of admitting a large amount of people are garbage is laughable. Admitting a problem is the first part of solving it.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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I am in charge of hiring new personnel at my work. People are hired due to the merits of their skills, not for any other reason, political or otherwise. Anyone in the position of hiring should know better than to discriminate for any reason.

Our staff is made up of all sorts of people, some love the president, others don't but in the end, we all get along and make a great team.
I'm betting if you have any minorities on your team they probably feel differently.

I'm black and work in infosec with a Jewish boss. You'd have to be the most undercover Trump supporter to hide it from me and I'd absolutely stamp any paperwork for "do not hire ever" as "culture fit issues" just like they do for black people that dare to come into interviews with natural hair.
 

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Wouldn't it be pretty simple to weed out Trumpists by asking questions requiring basic logic (at which they will fail)?

Depending on the field, one might find that a higher functioning Trump supporter might be able to fudge a significant part of written/objective testing but the signs would inevitably show during any follow up processes such as the interview or social media check.
 

GaimeGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I find it interesting that people readily equate Trump supporters with Nazis, racists, and idiots, rather than , say, the disenfranchised and ignored working classes .
The disenfranchised and ignored working class are being disenfranchised, ignored, and harmed by Trump. His shitty trade wars. His lack of economic initiatives to resurrect these communities. His failure to do anything to address the opioid crisis other than signing a proclamation declaring it as an emergency.

It's too bad there aren't candidates that propose economic stimulus for these communities, retraining, public works programs, and treating addiction using proven and safe methods. Oh wait, there are, but they're all democrats and aren't lying to these people's faces about how their back-breaking and mesothelioma-inducing mining jobs are going to be just fine.
 

Holundrian

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is the same guy, that tells others to get violent if they believe they have a nazi as a leader and yet.

I've worked with both stark feminists and literal nazis, and aside from political debate, some of them were fine people. When you engage in talks with them, it quickly becomes obvious why they are the way they are.

Which is why I hate to see push for further divide in this thread. Don't write people off for their political views.

Is that what resetera discourse is going to be?
 

Rayne

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Oct 25, 2017
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The disenfranchised and ignored working class are being disenfranchised, ignored, and harmed by Trump. His shitty trade wars. His lack of economic initiatives to resurrect these communities. His failure to do anything to address the opioid crisis other than signing a proclamation declaring it as an emergency.

It's too bad there aren't candidates that propose economic stimulus for these communities, retraining, public works programs, and treating addiction using proven and safe methods. Oh wait, there are, but they're all democrats and aren't lying to these people's faces about how their back-breaking and mesothelioma-inducing mining jobs are going to be just fine.

You know what got me during the election? All the "I just want the truth!" but then falling for the most obvious liar of all XD
 

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I'll try to let this be my last posting in this thread, but I have to say: This is such a baffeling, ignorant attitude.

You're saying that ALL people who voted for the other of two relevant parties are the same. Do you not realize how that's exactly what fascists do? Dehumanize people, get rid of the individual value, only comprehend 'them' as a group. Now you'll reply 'but they dehumanize others!', but even if it were true, you're doing the exact same thing right now. But og course you're wrong. People are individuals and act as such, therefore you ought to look at them as such. I've worked with both stark feminists and literal nazis, and aside from political debate, some of them were fine people. When you engage in talks with them, it quickly becomes obvious why they are the way they are.

Which is why I hate to see push for further divide in this thread. Don't write people off for their political views.

But if you do: Don't talk, fight.
Trump voters are either racists or not bothered by racists. Its really as simple as that. Are you even American?
 

Keuja

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nope, fuck them. The sole fact that they are Trump supporters says a lot about their critical thinking (or lack of) and the values that they have. Not touching that with a 10 feet pole.
 

Occam

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Oct 25, 2017
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Depending on the field, one might find that a higher functioning Trump supporter might be able to fudge a significant part of written/objective testing but the signs would inevitably show during any follow up processes such as the interview or social media check.
I just thought of an even simpler way, just ask if they prefer Obama-Care or the Affordable Care Act. Or if they support bombing Agrabah.
 

Orb

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is the endgame full unemployment for all Trump supporters, or that they only work at places owned by other Trump supporters?
The endgame is for Trump supporters to realize there are consequences for their actions and think about making a change in their lives. If it takes denying them a job or whatever else, it's worth it.
 

'3y Kingdom

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah there's more than one definition of disenfranchised.

having no power to make people listen to your opinion or to affectthe society you live in:

As in, the disenfranchisement of the working class, typically by superior liberal ''elites'.

"Working class"? Lower-income voters went for Clinton, not Trump:

Let's start with the data. According to exit polls, Hillary Clinton won by 12 points among voters making less than $30,000 a year—53% to Trump's 41% —and by 9 points among people making between $30,000 and $49,999. Trump's support was the inverse. He won every group making $50,000 or more—albeit by smaller margins.

This is consistent with analysis of exit polls from the primary, which found that the median household income of Trump voters—about $72,000—was significantly higher than the median household income of the country as a whole—about $56,000. It was also higher than that of the average Clinton and Sanders voters—about $61,000 each.

Even among white voters—who were more likely to support Trump than other groups—Trump did better among middle income white voters than low-income ones. And a closer look reveals that the swing towards Trump was a lot bigger based on education, rather than income.

And frankly, it sounds rather privileged (elite?) to me to focus on the non-literal meaning of "disenfranchise," when so many people in this country are having their votes literally taken away.
 
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I would hire a Trump supporter, if that person was best for the job. It's a dangerous thing, to start discriminating against people based on their political leanings. I'm a leftist, I'd be livid if some conservative wouldn't hire me because of it.

Note- I do differentiate between Trump supporter and full-on alt-right fascist. The latter, no, and that's a reasonable stance IMO- bad for business to support violent racists. The quieter kind, can't do much about that.

No of course I wouldn't employ a trumper. same with a bernie bro. if you're alt right or suffering """"economic anxiety"""" you won't work for me.

This is some peak "both sides" shit and this is why we can't have anything nice in America.

Fighting income inequality by offering health care and college education to all citizens

=

Platform of overt racism and jingoism and homo/transphobia

Get outta here with this bullshit.
 

Rayne

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Oct 25, 2017
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Spoiler: They aren't.

Nah sadly there's plenty of smart Trumpers. They're know he's full of shit but support his vile shit. They're more evil than anything :P (That said those are also the ones that'd keep it to themselves other than some both sides comments and I'm just saying Blue Lives Matter too nonsense).

Labeling them all as stupid is a mistake and will lead to underestimation.
 

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mindatlarge

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I'm betting if you have any minorities on your team they probably feel differently.

I'm black and work in infosec with a Jewish boss. You'd have to be the most undercover Trump supporter to hide it from me and I'd absolutely stamp any paperwork for "do not hire ever" as "culture fit issues" just like they do for black people that dare to come into interviews with natural hair.
While I can't tell you what thoughts go on in any of the employees heads, I can tell you, friendships have been forged between those that voted differently, and or have a different skin color among our staff. We're like a big family.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not hiring someone who is actively make my workplace hostile. And yes, the dude who believes you deserve less rights than them, whether because of your race, gender, or sexuality, is an act of hostility.