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DemonCarnotaur

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Hope they can maneuver out of the cave in a kid sized submarine. In some of the cave maps linked here it said some spots are too narrow for oxygen tanks..
Only thing I can think of is it may be an articulated bag of sorts, like ribbing where it just snuggly fits over their body, and is as flexible as them, yet made with durable material that won't tear?

I mean, it would be a nightmare for those claustrophobic, but it might be safer then actually diving.
 

metalslimer

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I'm glad we at least have the benefit in this day of the world being so interconnected that bright people can work on this all across the planet
 

Kyuuji

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It probably would only work halfway but that's enough to help given how weak the kids are if it works.

If I understood Musk's tweets correctly, the oxygen tanks will be "hanging" from the pod from behind and front (and will be shock resistant of course) just like divers place them in front of themselves. And there will be one diver pushing from behind and one diver pulling in front I think

Interesting, thanks for the thoughts guys.
 

RoKKeR

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Oct 25, 2017
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Catching up more on this, what a terrible situation. Incredible resilience on behalf of the kids who have been down there for so long. I hope the various attempts that are being considered will pan out.
 

Sectorseven

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Any word on how the kids are handling this? I know there's a period of shock and such, but it's been so many days, I don't know what state of mind I would be in at this point.
 

Alvis

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With this pod idea, what about the coach?
One of Elon's tweets said the pod fits a kid "or a small adult" but I have no idea if the coach is a "small adult".

If he isn't, he will have to dive. Then again, he's the most likely to be able to dive successfully and not panic.

It's also possible they may build a second pod for the coach while they are rescuing the kids (which will take a long time)
 

BladeX

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Its beautiful to see that the parents of the kids took the time to send a message to the coach to reassure him that they do not hold anything against him. This was known from the first moment of this ordeal ofcourse, but it is nice to see them express this once again.
 

S-Wind

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Can a mod PLEASE update the OP so that we don't have numerous posters on every page asking the same questions over and over and over and over?

Update the OP to include info like:

- how and why they ended up so far into the cave
- why they went in to begin with
- why the all water simply can't just be pumped out
- what aid the trapped kids have received so far
- address the BS comments that blame the coach, and/or demand legal action against the coach
- why waiting for the end of the monsoon season is no longer an option
- why drilling down to them isn't as easy as people think
- etc.

It is a much needed update to the OP
 

darkwing

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the pod is a great idea, it would be like a mini sub, better than them diving without any sufficient training
 
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the pod is a great idea, it would be like a mini sub, better than them diving without any sufficient training

How workable could it really be if some of the areas are so narrow that they can't use oxygen tanks? We have no idea in what ways divers are having to contort their bodies to get through these areas. A solid object may not be able to get through.
 

Kaeden

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Can a mod PLEASE update the OP so that we don't have numerous posters on every page asking the same questions over and over and over and over?

Update the OP to include info like:

- how and why they ended up so far into the cave
- why they went in to begin with
- why the all water simply can't just be pumped out
- what aid the trapped kids have received so far
- address the BS comments that blame the coach, and/or demand legal action against the coach
- why waiting for the end of the monsoon season is no longer an option
- why drilling down to them isn't as easy as people think
- etc.

It is a much needed update to the OP
I have to 2nd this. If Yukari isn't able to update, then a mod definitely should. With as much that's happened since the start, I'm really surprised the OP is as barren of info as it is.
 

Deleted member 8118

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This thread isn't about Elon Musk, so let's keep it like that. I'm not trying to back-seat moderate, but it seems like threads are getting derailed left and right then closed and reopened because people can't stop arguing about little things.
 

signal

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Post a list of updated info the report the post with a note asking for it to be in the OP
 

Tfritz

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This thread isn't about Elon Musk, so let's keep it like that. I'm not trying to back-seat moderate, but it seems like threads are getting derailed left and right then closed and reopened because people can't stop arguing about little things.

Yes, it doesn't seem like he's actually involved with the rescue operation anyway.
 

Feral

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How workable could it really be if some of the areas are so narrow that they can't use oxygen tanks? We have no idea in what ways divers are having to contort their bodies to get through these areas. A solid object may not be able to get through.
that's a valid point. If there are areas where a diver with a tank on the back can't fit through, there's no way you can make a pod small enough to get them through there

ideally, they would create forward stations in the air-filled pockets between each diving section from where a team could assist with the rescue operation, and they could slowly move them out of the cave with stops in between instead of doing it all in one go and rotate the divers, but for that you need oxgen supply in every section, and with the incoming rain it's likely too late for this. The weather forecast from a few days ago showed that there will be a number of days in a row where it's going to rain as much every day as the rainfall that caused the flooding in the first place
 

Ether_Snake

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Oxygen levels are severely hampering that hope at the moment. They're thought to be at around 14% as of yesterday which is already below where hypoxia starts to become a risk, and certainly a level where it's working against any physical exertion.


How is this going to work with the section that's 2'x2.5' I wonder. That gap is so small divers need to untank to fit through it. I appreciate he mentions it's being designed to fit through small gaps but holy hell thats a small submersible if it's also going to be carrying a child and oxygen supply.

The oxygen supply would probably be behind it, so it would be permanently "untanked".
 

Cerium

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Can a mod PLEASE update the OP so that we don't have numerous posters on every page asking the same questions over and over and over and over?

Update the OP to include info like:

- how and why they ended up so far into the cave
- why they went in to begin with
- why the all water simply can't just be pumped out
- what aid the trapped kids have received so far
- address the BS comments that blame the coach, and/or demand legal action against the coach
- why waiting for the end of the monsoon season is no longer an option
- why drilling down to them isn't as easy as people think
- etc.

It is a much needed update to the OP
I would be happy to add stuff to the OP. Can someone kindly point out the posts with the information?
 

Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's over there directly working with them lol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescue.html
Not according to this? It says he's sent (three) people over there to see how they could help, which is not the same as him being over there helping or that his submarine pod thing is actually going to be used. (The fact that he does have people over there makes his tweets seem even worse - Elon my dude let the Thai PR people disseminate information about rescue operations instead of acting like you're the authority here)
 

shiba5

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Oxygen levels are severely hampering that hope at the moment. They're thought to be at around 14% as of yesterday which is already below where hypoxia starts to become a risk, and certainly a level where it's working against any physical exertion.


How is this going to work with the section that's 2'x2.5' I wonder. That gap is so small divers need to untank to fit through it. I appreciate he mentions it's being designed to fit through small gaps but holy hell thats a small submersible if it's also going to be carrying a child and oxygen supply.

It'd be like a tiny coffin - the thought just makes me freak out. If it were me, I'd take the scuba option.
 

Feral

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It'd be like a tiny coffin - the thought just makes me freak out. If it were me, I'd take the scuba option.
well, but you probably know how to swim, aren't a kid anymore, and not physically weakened. Adults have been saved from similar situations before, though in the case that someone here mentioned many pages back they already had scuba diving experience and it was still extremely stressful for them
 

NekoNeko

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i really hope this has a happy ending.
i was terrified of caves before this but i will never step a foot in a cave ever again.
 

Kyuuji

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescue.html
Not according to this? It says he's sent (three) people over there to see how they could help, which is not the same as him being over there helping or that his submarine pod thing is actually going to be used. (The fact that he does have people over there makes his tweets seem even worse - Elon my dude let the Thai PR people disseminate information about rescue operations instead of acting like you're the authority here)
I don't understand what your issue is with him or why you're hostile against him? The belief was a mistake on my part as he directly said who was going in the tweet:



It's still beyond apparent that he's involved and engaged with the effort albeit remotely and that his team are working directly with experts over there to try and find a potential solution.
 
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shiba5

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well, but you probably know how to swim, aren't a kid anymore, and not physically weakened. Adults have been saved from similar situations before, though in the case that someone here mentioned many pages back they already had scuba diving experience and it was still extremely stressful for them

My husband and I were talking about this tonight - what we would have done. When I was a kid, I was absolutely fine in tight spaces and not afraid of water. Now that I'm an adult, I'm freaked out by both. Even though I can swim, I almost drowned in college when we were sitting on some rocks out in a shallow river and the dam opened up and the water rose 6 feet in minutes. I had to swim 1/4 mile in 60 degree water and only survived because I saw a kayaker who pulled me the rest of the way to shore. After that, I never went near swimming in rivers again.
As a kid, I would probably have been fine with the pod. Now the very thought makes me queasy. I'd choose the scuba option even though I've never done it.
 

Raein

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It's uplifting to see humanity's better angels shine in these kinds of events, despite how dire they might be. I wish them the best of luck in rescuing everyone.
 

Feral

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My husband and I were talking about this tonight - what we would have done. When I was a kid, I was absolutely fine in tight spaces and not afraid of water. Now that I'm an adult, I'm freaked out by both. Even though I can swim, I almost drowned in college when we were sitting on some rocks out in a shallow river and the dam opened up and the water rose 6 feet in minutes. I had to swim 1/4 mile in 60 degree water and only survived because I saw a kayaker who pulled me the rest of the way to shore. After that, I never went near swimming in rivers again.
As a kid, I would probably have been fine with the pod. Now the very thought makes me queasy. I'd choose the scuba option even though I've never done it.
I've got a Open Water license and been diving about two dozen times, although very infrequently over a number of years and nothing comperable to cave diving. Been to a small wreck once even if I was technically not qualified for it, and swam through some relatively easy to navigate rock formations and tunnels. The kids have no experience and training, well they mostly can't even swim meaning they are afraid of water even under the best of circumstances, and now their lives are on the line, they've been down there for longer than two weeks and they'd have to do some challenging diving in very tight spots while being essentially blind in the muddy water, and the way out takes 5 hours even for the professionals

my completely uneducated guess would be that it might be doable as long as the conditions don't change dramatically i.e. rising waters and strong currents, as long as they somehow stay completely calm and are able to follow the instructions of the rescuers for the entire 5+ hours (likely much longer) stretch. The less agency/responsibility the kids have underwater, the easier and saver the rescue operation would likely be, since the rescue divers know precisely what they are doing. Ideally, the kids would more or less behave like inanimate objects (bad choice of words, I know) that can safely be floated through the cave system
 

Feral

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Thailand cave rescue: officials evacuate site for 'rescue operation'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live
Our south Asia correspondent Michael Safi has learned that divers are at the site and the rescue operation will begin soon, but it hasn't commenced yet and divers are yet to go into the caves.

The press conference is due to start in about five minutes, we will let you know when that has begun and as soon as we have any news from it.
 

Alvis

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Welp. I'm going to sleep soon. I hope the news I wake up to are good...
 

Smurf

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If they are doing it now, they gotta be really afraid more rain is coming.

Hope everything works out without a problem.
 

Tfritz

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Some reports said that the water level had dropped considerably, so it seems like this is the only real chance they've got:
Ivan Katadzic, a Danish diving instructor who has been ferrying oxygen tanks into the cave, said after a dive on Friday he was "double positive" about the mission because the water level had dropped considerably.

Katadzic has not dived the final kilometre to where the boys are stranded on a muddy bank, the most dangerous part of the dive, during which rescuers have to hold their oxygen tanks in front of them to squeeze through submerged holes.

i guess they didn't have a ton of confidence in the musk plan. or maybe they just couldn't wait.

Musk did not have an actual plan, he was tossing ideas out on twitter.