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Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
18,520
Still, you're judging that this entire country had voted for Trump due to racism, which is just not true. And not all Trump supporters are racist.
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Really ? the man that was endorsed by David Duke. The man that had (probably still does) a book Hitler's collected speeches. A man who espouses white suprematists and tries to enact white suprematists laws.

And you have the gall to tell me people voted for and continue to support him aren't all racist. That's absurd.

EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND SUPPORTS TRUMP. IS. A. NAZI. PIECE. OF. SHIT.

Okay, but it's still technically a minority. And along with everything else I said.
Do you honestly believe the the number doesn't increase amongst non-voters ?
White people did, in general, yes. Why you guys keep singling out white women I don't know. You aren't communicating well with this.
I'm singling them out, because out of all demographics over half of them voted him in. They are the most responsible. That's why.
 
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ChrisR

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Oct 26, 2017
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White people did, in general, yes. Why you guys keep singling out white women I don't know. You aren't communicating well with this.
It's funny seeing this, since white women only went for Trump by 9 points. The BIGGER issue is all the eligible voters who didn't vote or voted 3rd party. If they all voted, we wouldn't have Trump in the Oval Office.

Old white people vote, and they tend to vote Republican. Dems need to get out the vote, and focus on young people, irregardless of race or sex. Treating a portion of your potential voting bloc literally as the enemy and telling them THEY are the reason the country is so fucked up could backfire.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you honestly believe the the number doesn't increase amongst non-voters ?

Considering part of the reasons including data from non-voters, no.

I'm singling them out, because out of all demographics over half of them voted him in. They are the most responsible. That's why.
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But they aren't? It's like you're using white women as a substitute for the entire white demographic, and that's where the confusion is. If you mean just white people in general, just say that. Unless you're trying make a specifci point about white women, and if you are, I'm sorry but you're just not communicating what that point is well.
 

Lurkyseas

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Dec 31, 2017
2,160
Are you saying you voted Trump? That's what the quote implies.

If you did,

Congratulations, you played the fuck out yourself brah

Hell no, I didn't vote for Trump. And I knew better than to vote for 3rd party because that would automatically mean that I would give my vote to Trump.

Besides, I'm a Democrat.
 

bad poster

Banned
Jan 6, 2018
428
they can't have that much of a problem with white supremacists if they're a contractor for the US military, lol
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
Hell no, I didn't vote for Trump. And I knew better than to vote for 3rd party because that would automatically mean that I would give my vote to Trump.

Besides, I'm a Democrat.

Okay, that's what I was thinking. that was weird because yeah, he was saying that someone can't claim to say they aren't racist and be a Trump voter. It honestly doesn't compute.

The guy walked out Day 1 and shit on the Mexicans.

For anyone to ignore that makes them racist and ignorant as fuck
 

Shy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
18,520
*Sigh*...

Let's just forget it. This thread has been derailed long enough as it is, anyway.
How has the thread been derailed ? this is directly at the heart of this topic.

But they aren't? It's like you're using white women as a substitute for the entire white demographic, and that's where the confusion is. If you mean just white people in general, just say that. Unless you're trying make a specifci point about white women, and if you are, I'm sorry but you're just not communicating what that point is well.
My point is this. Out of all of the demographics that voted for trump. They are the most responsible.

That's why i used them because the weren't a minority. They were the majority.

I hope that clears things up.

For anyone to ignore that makes them racist and ignorant as fuck
Nah. People who claim ignorance, are fucking cowards and liars that don't want to own up to their bigotry.
 

D i Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Where X marks the spot.
Dawg, stop while your ahead.



White people did, in general, yes. Why you guys keep singling out white women I don't know. You aren't communicating well with this.



You're not wrong, in a general sense, but that doesn't make what was originally said in less true.

What numbers do you want to see again, and ignore, again? The problems are right in front of you, but you feel like arguing with me means anything??
 

Bleepey

Banned
Nov 11, 2017
1,152
One of the things I like about these alt right jackasses is that they used the Tiki torches to symbolise that they were not afraid to show their face, now that the gloves are off and they believe they have nothing to hide, i think it's imperative to make sure they get half of what they want and expose them.
 

CrocM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,682
Okay, that's what I was thinking. that was weird because yeah, he was saying that someone can't claim to say they aren't racist and be a Trump voter. It honestly doesn't compute.

The guy walked out Day 1 and shit on the Mexicans.

For anyone to ignore that makes them racist and ignorant as fuck
I think most people believe that if you don't go out of your way to be directly nasty to people of color, you aren't a racist. I know that's what I used to believe.

But once you educate yourself a bit, you understand that you have to be actively against that shit, that passivity is no better. White people don't really get that on the whole I think.
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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What numbers do you want to see again, and ignore, again? The problems are right in front of you, but you feel like arguing with me means anything??

Listen, I'm just going to say at this point no one has any idea what you're trying to say. I'm not the only one who has expressed confusion, either.

My point is this. Out of all of the demographics that voted for trump. They are the most responsible.

That's why i used them because the weren't a minority. They were the majority.

I hope that clears things up.

A little, yeah. You would say that white women are more responsible than white men for Trump winning? Do I understand that right? I'm curious why you feel that they are more responsible than white men. Think that demographic is just too far removed to be reliable in any way and white women weren't or something like that?
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
9,292
I think most people believe that if you don't go out of your way to be directly nasty to people of color, you aren't a racist. I know that's what I used to believe.

But once you educate yourself a bit, you understand that you have to be actively against that shit, that passivity is no better. White people don't really get that on the whole I think.

The wild part about that is I think they are fully aware.

There are some who think Racsim is white sheets and burning crosses.

But there are a whole lot more who make statements about our hair, cross the street where we walk by, make these passive ass agressive remarks about our actions, and as of late call the police for extremely benign daily activities.

I can't excuse them because they actively know what their doing. They know what their saying is fucked up. They just don't care.

They see black skin and can't empathize. "Can't relate"

We've been conditioned since society has been catered to whiteness since Day 1. We watch your media, we interact daily and socially. As a result we know how white people operate.

It's been like this for so long that as soon the paradigm is shifted, it makes white people uncomfortable and they shut down as a result.

It doesn't take a school lesson to be a good person. I know too many good natured white people personally who prove that majority of white people enjoy power, control, and don't want that structure to change.
 

Anti

Banned
Nov 22, 2017
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Australia
Still, you're judging that this entire country had voted for Trump due to racism, which is just not true. Not all Trump supporters are racist.

And both Trump & Hillary were very weak, unpopular candidates.

You might be right, but all Trump voters should be held accountable for electing a white supremacist as a president, they should be accountable for all the things that are happening under his term, for all the families, lives and relationships his government is destroying.

You can believe whatever you want, you can tell yourself that not all people who voted for Trump are bad, but what they did was a mistake and it's a mistake they have to own.
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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What EXACTLY are you confused about?

...As I said before, I was confused about why you brought up white women as seemingly a substitute for the entire white demographic (Shy has answered this, kinda I guess, but I have no idea if you two are even talking about the same thing). I'm also confused about why you guys replied like that to Luckyseas assertion that the majority of the country (not the majority of whites) are Trump supporters as if whites are the only demographic in the country.

I was also confused about why you throw out that I ignored numbers when I literally acknowledged those numbers as accurate from your very post. Or why you say I'm speaking for someone when I'm literally just quoting them.

It's literally like you, and to a lesser extent Shy, are having a totally different conversation than anyone else, but your responses are harder to follow than his.
 

ChrisR

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,803
You might be right, but all Trump voters should be held accountable for electing a white supremacist as a president, they should be accountable for all the things that are happening under his term, for all the families, lives and relationships his government is destroying.

You believe all you want, you can tell yourself that not all people who voted for Trump are bad, but what they did was a mistake and a mistake they have to own.
We will see how contrite the "non racists" are come the midterms and next presidential election. If they didn't think Trump would actually be this bad, they shouldn't vote for him or his party going forward. If the votes shift even further to the right though...
 

CrocM

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Oct 25, 2017
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...As I said before, I was confused about why you brought up white women as seemingly a substitute for the entire white demographic (Shy has answered this, kinda I guess, but I have no idea if you two are even talking about the same thing). I'm also confused about why you guys replied like that to Luckyseas assertion that the majority of the country (not the majority of whites) are Trump supporters as if whites are the only demographic in the country.

I was also confused about why you throw out that I ignored numbers when I literally acknowledged those numbers as accurate from your very post. Or why you say I'm speaking for someone when I'm literally just quoting them.

It's literally like you, and to a lesser extent Shy, are having a totally different conversation than anyone else, but your responses are harder to follow than his.
Bless you for trying to have a rational conversation with that poster, but I don't think it's worth it.
 

CrocM

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Oct 25, 2017
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The wild part about that is I think they are fully aware.

I can't excuse them because they actively know what their doing. They know what their saying is fucked up. They just don't care.

Your whole post is truth.

Can't tell you how many white ppl I've talked to that voted for Trump but say "I only voted because of the lower taxes". It's such a flimsy cover for the fact that they just don't give a shit about POC.
 

Professor Beef

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still, you're judging that this entire country had voted for Trump due to racism, which is just not true. Not all Trump supporters are racist.
Not all Trump supporters are racist, this is true. But at the bare minimum, they're ok with handing over the keys to the country to a racist old misogynist who answers to the Russians.

So yeah, real good argument you've got there.
 

Ponn

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Oct 26, 2017
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I have a feeling there's a lot of drunk Saturday night posting going on in this thread.
 

Shoeless

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Oct 27, 2017
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We will see how contrite the "non racists" are come the midterms and next presidential election. If they didn't think Trump would actually be this bad, they shouldn't vote for him or his party going forward. If the votes shift even further to the right though...

If the votes shift even further, and that's well and truly the result of the voice of the American people, and not dodgy voter's interference, then there's no hope for America. If the threat of racism, makes even more racists come out and vote, and that creates a racist wave, instead of a blue wave, then that's the tone America sets for the rest of the 21st century. Can't fight democracy if the majority of the people want racism.
 

Shy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
18,520
A little, yeah. You would say that white women are more responsible than white men for Trump winning? Do I understand that right?
Correct.
I'm curious why you feel that they are more responsible than white men. Think that demographic is just too far removed to be reliable in any way and white women weren't or something like that?
No no. I would say the reason i hold them more accountable, because they voted against their own self interests (now i know that you would rightly say that's all poor people that vote Republican) but Trump out off all people are out to subjugate women.

I don't know if you watch The Handmaid's Tale. But it's the same as the women who support Gilead.
Not all Trump supporters are racist, this is true. But at the bare minimum, they're ok with handing over the keys to the country to a racist old misogynist who answers to the Russians.
Which (again) makes them racist.
I have a feeling there's a lot of drunk Saturday night posting going on in this thread.
I don't drink.
are you serious? 63 million nazis? i find trump abhorrent but this rhetoric doesn't really help your case, if you had one.
What else would you call white suprematists ?
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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No no. I would say the reason i hold them more accountable, because they voted against their own self interests (now i know that you would rightly say that's all poor people that vote Republican) but Trump out off all people are out to subjugate women.

I don't know if you watch The Handmaid's Tale. But it's the same as the women who support Gilead.

Well, okay. I don't know if I agree with the reduction there, but I get where you're coming from better.