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Elon Musk making "kid-sized submarine" to rescue teens in Thailand cave

Elon Musk tweeted on Saturday that a team of SpaceX engineers is hours away from completing work on a "tiny kid-sized submarine" that could be used to extract 12 teenagers and preteens who are stranded with their soccer coach in a flooded cave in Thailand. Musk has had a team of engineers working on the problem for the last couple of days and has been keeping the world updated on the work via Twitter.

On Thursday night, Musk tweeted about an idea to use an inflatable nylon tube to help the kids escape. By Friday afternoon, Musk's thinking had evolved. He tweeted that his team was working on building "double-layer Kevlar pressure pods with Teflon coating to slip by rocks." A mid-day tweet on Saturday provided another update:
And this isn't just a theory: Musk says that his team is building the contraption now. "Construction complete in about 8 hours, then 17 hour flight to Thailand," Musk tweeted just before noon, California time.

We haven't seen any reaction from Thai authorities to this idea yet, but it could provide a solution to the deadly dilemma facing Thai rescuers. Much of the path out of the cave is flooded, and in places the cave gets as narrow as 70cm. A route that narrow is a big challenge for even the most experienced cave divers—indeed, one diver died ferrying oxygen tanks to the boys earlier this week. Some of the boys don't even know how to swim, and so it might not be possible to provide them with the training necessary to swim out, even with professional help.

Yet waiting may also not be an option. The oxygen level in the boys' location has been dropping. On top of that, Thailand is just entering its rainy season. With heavy rains expected in the coming days, there's a danger that the water level could rise, drowning the group.

The kind of tiny submarine Musk is describing could allow professional divers to bring the boys out without requiring the boys to do anything more than lay still. It would still be a harrowing and claustrophobic experience, but—if everything works as Musk describes—it could be much less dangerous than conventional scuba diving, where a panicking teenager could lead to the death of the teen himself as well as his professional scuba guides.

At the same time, Musk says he's continuing to work on his earlier idea: an "inflatable tube with airlocks" that could be inflated inside the submerged portions of the tube, creating a tunnel the kids could crawl through. In a Friday evening tweet he described this option as "less likely to work, given tricky contours, but great if it does."
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Thought this was too crazy to not create new thread. Don't know if Thailand government would even allow it.
 

hordak

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Oct 31, 2017
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holy fuck this planet is not good enough for Elon Musk.

also theres a TV show on CBS called Scorpion which pretty much does this every episode but with more fake math and physics

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jts

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Oct 26, 2017
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How can he possibly prototype it, test it and build it in the short time necessary, if operations are underway or near it?
 

Woolley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't the main issue with the cave that there are areas that are difficult for people to fit through? How are you going to fit in a capsule?
 

SpottieO

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Oct 25, 2017
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The main rescue operation is currently underway, breaking on CNN. Obviously not using a submarine.
 

thetrin

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Oct 26, 2017
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There are plenty of people as rich as Musk, with similar resources. It makes me sick that none of them are trying anything.
 

Mush

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Nov 1, 2017
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Will Grimes be curating the playlist? All joking aside, the sooner the kids can make it out, the better.
 

Qvoth

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is stupid, it's well reported that there are parts of the dive so narrow people had to remove the oxygen tanks just to pass through
And the government is literally starting the rescue right now
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The problem is that with engineering problems such as this it's not constructing a proof-of-concept but that getting it right on the first try never happens. You probably spend 10x the amount of time testing and fixing something as you do making it.
 

TuturuJones

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Oct 30, 2017
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Well, even if they don't end up using it, I hope he still goes ahead and makes it and has it ready for the next time something like this happens.
 

Uhyve

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't the main issue with the cave that there are areas that are difficult for people to fit through? How are you going to fit in a capsule?
Seems like it's designed to be super narrow. Can't imagine how they'd make something like this so fast but I guess a huge company's R&D department might be able to pull something like this off. Dunno though, seems too out there to be a real thing that would actually happen.
 

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This is stupid, it's well reported that there are parts of the dive so narrow people had to remove the oxygen tanks just to pass through
And the government is literally starting the rescue right now
Dude is trying to help save kids while you're sitting there on your phone or computer calling it "stupid" ... lol okay

Maybe read the OP all the way because it being narrow was discussed, and he was discussing this before the rescue was happening.
 

Tekniqs

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is stupid, it's well reported that there are parts of the dive so narrow people had to remove the oxygen tanks just to pass through
And the government is literally starting the rescue right now
not stupid. they've already talked about how the dimensions of the pod they were/are working on would fit through the narrowest dimensions in the cave. Also, he/they had already started assembling the pod prior to the press conference earlier stating the rescue operation was under way. The water levels receded enough to where this might be their best shot at getting the boys out before the monsoon rains arrive in the next couple of days.
 

Arex

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Oct 27, 2017
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Doing something, or trying to do something to help with the rescue, whatever ulterior motive/ reason he might have, is still better than doing nothing to help at all. Might be useful for future accidents. So he has my respect in that.
 

Typhon

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Oct 25, 2017
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And people on here hate on him....

His behavior over the past few months hasn't exactly helped.

Even ignoring that I can't see this as anything but shameless self promotion. Aren't those kids on a timeline of days right now? And the rescue already underway? None of his "brilliant" ideas are going to do anything when they're still on the drawing board.
 

J2C

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is actually what I thought they should do, but I didn't know how tight the caverns were.. seems like a submersible makes the most sense though for underpowered, fatigued kids

Had no idea they could build one in 8 hours though.

Edit: seems its underway already though with divers? Godspeed
 

Basileus777

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm not going to jump on Musk for this, but tweeting about a fictional submarine that will never matter for the actual people trapped doesn't seem worthy of lionizing either. This just seems just a concerned dude with no ability to impact the situation.
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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His behavior over the past few months hasn't exactly helped.

Even ignoring that I can't see this as anything but shameless self promotion. Aren't those kids on a timeline of days right now? And the rescue already underway? None of his "brilliant" ideas are going to do anything when they're still on the drawing board.

8 hours to build. Try again.
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably because despite the self-promoting tweets, no one actually wants to be held liable for a submarine designed in hours which hasn't been tested whatsoever.

Or there's a monsoon coming and they need to do something now while the water level is low instead of when they can get there by plane.

Remember the real tragedy here is Musk almost helped people. Some of you would have been devastated.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or there's a monsoon coming and they need to do something now while the water level is low instead of when they can get there by plane.

Remember the real tragedy here is Musk almost helped people. Some of you would have been devastated.
Sorry for not automatically jacking off a billionaire because he made a tweet. I'll remember to prostrate myself next time while crying "we are not worthy!" like the first reply in this thread.
 

deepFlaw

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I'm not going to jump on Musk for this, but tweeting about a fictional submarine that will never matter for the actual people trapped doesn't seem worthy of lionizing either. This just seems just a concerned dude with no ability to impact the situation.

Yeah, he's just tweeting about it and there's no indication if they actually made it, if it would have worked, etc. At best, he's actively concerned but irrelevant, and there's nothing really helpful about that. At worst, he's now getting praised for spitballing random ideas on Twitter just for the sake of spitballing ideas, even though they mean nothing.

Beyond that, if he had actually contributed something that helped them and it worked, that'd be commendable and I'd be glad to see it used. But he would still be fucking horrible.
 
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