Don't bosses get more HP as you upgrade your nail? Is it ever advisable to NOT upgrade your nail before certain fights so they have less HP?
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Only the Dream Warriors and the non-boss Grimmkin enemies are like this (and possibly the first Grimm fight? The wiki seems to contradict itself on this one).
Either way, when health does scale, it still scales in such a way that it takes fewer hits to defeat it with an upgraded nail. Spells will be slightly less effective, though.
I'll be trying it later. It's pretty much the only thing I'm missing, besides finishing the stuff to get the True Ending and the Trial of the Fool.
Question about the endings:
Thanks.
I hear there are two endings, one "bad" and one "true" with the "true final boss", and completing the White Palace is what is required for the latter (correct me if I'm wrong).
My question is: suppose I want to see both endings, should I go clear that ending right now, and then reload my save, complete the White Palace, and then do the real ending? Basically, will completing the White Palace "lock" me into the "real ending" path with no way to see the bad one?
Also, I haven't reached it yet but I keep reading about it... Is this "Path of Pain" required to see the real ending?
My question is: suppose I want to see both endings, should I go clear that ending right now, and then reload my save, complete the White Palace, and then do the real ending? Basically, will completing the White Palace "lock" me into the "real ending" path with no way to see the bad one?
Also, I haven't reached it yet but I keep reading about it... Is this "Path of Pain" required to see the real ending?
Thanks.
Spoilered to be sure
You get locked out of the first ending if you complete the objective for the other endings, so get the regular/bad ending now. Then there's two more endings but you can get those anytime, since your save puts you right before the boss anyway. Path of Pain is optional.
They are very doable with enough upgrades. 2 nail upgrades should be enough. Quick slash and fireball spam works wonders.
The airborne section in the 3rd Trial somehow turns me into a severe cripple if my gameplay is anything to go by. Seriously, it's like I cannot possibly perform any of the movement mechanics properly. Instead of shadow dashing through the enemies to the other side I just... dash into the wall I'm already at, get hit, fall, panic wing-jump and dash into nothing and then also not pogo of the spikes at the bottom. It happens every time, lol.
That said, the part when the 4 quad-directional fire spewer things spawn is ridiculous if you have bad luck. I sometimes feel like it would be the best to deliberately fall into the spikes and, after respawning, try to take out 1-2 with Abyss Shriek. Because if they don't cluster up and cover the area in fireballs there's little you can do. And those bastards take 4 regular hits even with the best nail + Fragile Strength.
That said, the part when the 4 quad-directional fire spewer things spawn is ridiculous if you have bad luck. I sometimes feel like it would be the best to deliberately fall into the spikes and, after respawning, try to take out 1-2 with Abyss Shriek. Because if they don't cluster up and cover the area in fireballs there's little you can do. And those bastards take 4 regular hits even with the best nail + Fragile Strength.
I have it on pc. But the more people experience this the better.
If any of them are near the bottom, you can try pogo-ing them down into the spikes for an instant kill, but it's kinda risky. The aerial portion is definitely the hardest part, both times I did Trial of the Fool I started that wave with full health and was down to one mask by the time you have to fight single armored squits with a lowered ceiling. After barely making it past that part on the second attempt, the rest was a breeze in comparison, though I did panic a little against the boss and cut it kinda close.
I believe they say something about it right at the start, when you first discover charms, but I may be mistaken.
I only know about it because the tricks thread. I feel like most players would miss it.
Yeah, I also actually tried it only after reading about it, but I seemed to remember something or other about it. Still, I hate receiving double damage, so I'm not using it.
I learned about overcharmed from my controller suddenly bring unplugged and the button sticking. I thought I was a genius only to find out everyone knew about it already.
Well, I think most people don't know about it, like the other thread shows.
Managed to win the Trial of the Fool. Only the White Palace remains.
Bought the game the day it came out but now jsut started playing.
I don't like it...
Granted I've never played a 2D metroidvania game like this, but I'm just overhwhelmed and hate the idea of wandering around. I bought a map but then when I moved into the next area it was gone and now I'm stuck in some mossy area and the layout is too complex and I'm stuck. Never know if I'm actually going the right way or just headed towards an area I don't have the ability for.
TIL I don't like Metroidvania.
I don't like it...
Granted I've never played a 2D metroidvania game like this, but I'm just overhwhelmed and hate the idea of wandering around. I bought a map but then when I moved into the next area it was gone and now I'm stuck in some mossy area and the layout is too complex and I'm stuck. Never know if I'm actually going the right way or just headed towards an area I don't have the ability for.
TIL I don't like Metroidvania.
Powered through Deepnest last night. A few questions:
On an unrelated note, really loving Grubsong. For only one slot, I feel like it's a game changer.
- Is the main objective of the area getting the
tram key?
- How exactly are you supposed to get the mask shard that you can see when you first enter from Mantis village?
- I'm assuming the only way to get across to the
secret wall that leads you to Nosk is by utilizing double jump?
On an unrelated note, really loving Grubsong. For only one slot, I feel like it's a game changer.
- There will be another main objective once you get further in the game (after Resting Grounds). But the tram key helps a lot.
- You have to go around and re-enter that hallway from above.
- Not sure. You might be able to bounce off of something, but double jump is very close now that you have the tram pass.
I guess we'll see. I wonder if I'll manage to get to the Path of Pain on my own, or if I'll have to look where the entrance is.
I gotta be pretty far into White Palace. Hiveblood kinda trivializes it honestly because I just gotta wait I can retry without penalty. Though some of the sections can take more than a pip of damage so it's not all full-proof.
Same for me at the beginning. It's slow but once you get your first ability you'll like it. If you don't have the ability you can't reach an area so you shouldn't be in so you'll not going to get too lost if that make sense.
Thanks for this. What hallway from above? Not sure how to get there.
The game crash for me 3 or 4 times times during that part (Switch version). It seemed to happen if I accidentally used the cyclone nail art. Even without the crashes, though, I totally understand suddenly forgetting how to play the game there. For some reason those damn mosquitos became impossible for me to dodge.
I got that projectile ability thing to move into the next area. Then it got way too complex and I don't have the will to spend hours figuring out the map. I mean, I like exploring in games however it usually more in a 3D setting.
You don't really have to "figure out" the map. You can buy a map in each area, and then you fill it out as you go (you need to buy the quill from the shop up top). You can also buy a compass that shows where you are on the map.
Haha nevermind, just finished White Palace. Honestly wasn't as bad as I expected. But doing it without Hiveblood seems like something you def don't wanna do.
Yeah I bought it for the first area but I guess I am too naive and thought it would work for the rest of the game. Dont even know how to get back up to the shop since I'm in a new area and completely lost. Do I have to backtrack all the way back or is there some other way to get back up?
Every area has it's own map you have to purchase by finding Conifer the mapmaker. You can find him by looking out for discarded pages on the ground. Once you have the map it'll outline a portion of the area. You just explore around the area and when you rest at a bench it'll fill out the map. Oh yeah you also need to purchase the pen from the vendor in Dirtmouth too, forgot about that.
For now you'll have to backtrack, later on you'll unlock some form of fast travel.
You can only buy the map from Iselda if Cornifer is no longer in the area.
I don't remember the exact requirements for when he leaves though. Usually it's beating the area's main boss.
There's a stag station in greenpath, you just need to find it.
Also it's really hard to miss the map guy in greenpath, he's very close to the beginning and you can't really go other way than his.
My advice is that you never exit the screen where you are until you fully explore the area. If you just see a new exit and go for it immediately you're gonna miss a lot of important stuff.
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You can't continue left after the bench so you are forced to go down. Instead of exploring the lower area all the way to your right you went down to the other area missing the map guy.
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For the map, I guess you could always use maps you found online instead of the in-game one (at least until you get it for the area). In this kind of games, there's always a bit of backtracking, but it's generally not too bad in this game.
But still, if it's not your kind of game, you should probably move on to something else.
Yes, this. Once I equipped that, it took a little longer as I waited to heal, but it basically eliminated any worry of having to redo sections I already passed.
I only got one item from there, but it, uh, seemed incomplete. I assume there's more to find?
Bah! I remember a section that didn't seem to do anything there...plus a damn boss I said I'd come back to.
Edit: so that was the whole white palace? Honestly not as bad as some hyped it up
Just bought the game on Switch. Grinded a bit to buy the map and quill. Just exploring the map with no idea what I'm doing. Wish the markers weren't 100 a piece -_-'
Really enjoying it!
Really enjoying it!
I found the hidden Path of Pain in the White Palace by accident and tried to it, got about a third of the way before I gave up and looked up the rest of it.
Holy shit I should not have even tried; it is nightmarishly difficult I couldn't have completed it if had all eternity and infinite patience. Any of you managed it?
Holy shit I should not have even tried; it is nightmarishly difficult I couldn't have completed it if had all eternity and infinite patience. Any of you managed it?
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