Yes, it works really well in protecting the game from a purchase made by me.
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Puyo Puyo Tetris executable is 128MB - just 5-6MB is the real game code. The rest of it is Denuvo
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Aren't >50% of game sales happening in the first week or two of release? If so, and if it takes pirates some days to crack it then mission accomplished I would say. If I where a developer I would be pro piracy protection.
Solution could be to patch it out 6 months after release.
Solution could be to patch it out 6 months after release.
Huh, Denuvo removal isn't as common practice as I thought. And doesn't look like it's on Sega's to-do list at all. But hey, they provide another helpful q&a! http://www.sega.com/denuvo
SEGA has been known to patch all of their games on Steam well after their release if they have problems or cannot launch on certain computers. Some good examples are Company of Heroes and Jet Set Radio. You really think they are going to allow like half of their library to just be locked out forever if something like this happened?
I get that people are frustrated, and I personally would prefer that they remove it from all of their games, but most issues like this are completely theoretical.
Shifting the blame to the third party middleware for whose implementation in your game you are responsible is incredibly disrespectful and unprofessional.
What if it's simply fact? Telling the truth is unprofessional and disrespectful?
Launching without DRM and becoming a huge success anyway like The Witcher 3 (among countless other games) maybe. Or just Steam's DRM like countless other games. Or similar.
How about that Minecraft? Or similar.
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You mean the same Minecraft that is both geared towards children and has a low cost of entry? Shocked that it isn't pirated more.
And witcher 3 is an exception to the rule.
Oh so low cost of entry = huge success like Minecraft? Guess there's your alternative then, make games cheaper and they'll be mega-success stories making billions like that.
How is The Witcher 3 an exception, what made it so, why can't other companies make their own titles exceptions like that, did CD Projekt use magic to make people buy their game, is Cyberpunk bound to fail when it also launches without DRM, are CD Projekt out of their minds to offer their games up for grabs like that since 2013 and even base their own distribution service around that, are they actually doomed because of it (like Nintendo?!), so many questions so little time!
I've yet to see Denuvo adequately protecting jackshit. Again, the only thing that it ever does is affecting legit consumers. No one else.
LMAO no it isn't. Almost every huge sucesse on PC has been a huge sucess despite 99.9999999999% of them being cracked DAY ONE
I would have far less of an issue with Denuvo if developers only used it to protect the initial sales and removed it once it no longer served a purpose.
There's absolutely no reason to keep it in the game after a year or so - especially when that is typically long after it has been cracked anyway.
There's absolutely no reason to keep it in the game after a year or so - especially when that is typically long after it has been cracked anyway.
Sega of Europe is the problem here. They are forcing it on the other territories.
This really isn't as bad as it seems.
The game uses VMProtect which means that the exe most likely has the virtual machine code statically linked into the executable.
Imagine a Java application and having the JRE (several hundred MB) bundled into the exe. Same deal.
Also we're only talking about the executable code. That 6mb doesn't include art assets like graphics and sound effects.
Using Denuvo is the "or similar" of using something like Steam's DRM.
Witcher 3 was heavily pirated, so who knows how it would have turned out if it was released with DRM.
Slim to none. SEGA's never patched out Denuvo.
The practice of any publisher removing Denuvo is uncommon anyway, in fact there's two games available DRM free on GOG but still have Denuvo on Steam. Maybe it depends on their agreement?
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Slightly more off-topic but I'm curious if anyone knows, what's with the added online DRM with SEGA games on Android (premium ones, like, Crazy Taxi didn't have it originally but it got added in)?
Explain more? My provider changes my ip each day or something, does that mean game will reject me?
No but if you are without internet for longer than 24 hours it will stop working, is what was implied.
It'd be a first to be that bloated. :P
"30GB available space" usually means a download size about half that - in this case, probably around 15GB to download, same amount of extra space to install.
I've read the article few days ago.
It's sad that Denuvo is still being used as it's been proven how useless and ineffective it truly is and at the end of the day the legit customer gets the inferior product and worst experiance.
It's sad that Denuvo is still being used as it's been proven how useless and ineffective it truly is and at the end of the day the legit customer gets the inferior product and worst experiance.
Yep. It's like those "YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR" commercials companies used to put on DVD's. Only people who bought the movie legitimately had to deal with those, completely missing the point of having these things in the first place.
Have the cracked versions of Denuvo games been performance tested and found to be superior?
Denuvo isn't removed in the cracked versions. It just bypasses the DRM.
Actually FighterZ IS cracked. By one guy. He's making a program which can decrypt denuvo on the fly, so not just for one game. Something like that I dunno I'm not too knowledgable about the actual process involved.
It was only cracked today lol. Wasn't when they said it, and it did take longer than usual.
I think the group who was cracking denuvo has quit the warez scene. This is the same guy that cracked puyo puyo so he is cleaning up.
PPT works absolutely flawlessly for me and has barely any issues at all save for the matchmaking, (which they kinda fixed a while ago) so I'm happy with the port. Seems like a whole bunch of what-if scenarios that have people upset TBH. Considering Sega Europe is the one in charge of all the PC porting and they only started including it with Sonic Mania, I assume something with one of their other ports gave them a reason to include it, either because people pirated it too many times or due to paranoia since Sonic is a popular game. (not that it would stop people from cracking it anyway...) The only parts that suck about this IMO come from the lack of Mac versions (as someone who only got a PC this year, playing with only a macbook beforehand was upsetting with all the games I had no access to, and Denuvo didn't help those matters either) and DRM Free versions on GOG not being available because they suddenly got cold feet about releasing a DRM free version period.
In terms of preservation and stuff getting broken though, I'm far more concerned about iOS games breaking over time, since too many of my favorite iOS games I downloaded as a kid are unplayable on newer models and my old iPod touch on 4.0 won't last forever, plus a lot of them outright got delisted so I couldn't redownload or find them again on a new device if I tried. :( I was actually kinda bewildered that Sega managed to bring back some of their broken iOS games from the dead for Sega Forever, but it's a shame that somehow they made the Genesis ports worse in that process, but in general I know that if something broke on Steam they'd at least bother to fix it, unlike Capcom and Dark Void Zero (I can't seem to figure out one way or another if that game is broken or not because of conflicting reports but I don't want to even buy it at sale price for that reason.)
In terms of preservation and stuff getting broken though, I'm far more concerned about iOS games breaking over time, since too many of my favorite iOS games I downloaded as a kid are unplayable on newer models and my old iPod touch on 4.0 won't last forever, plus a lot of them outright got delisted so I couldn't redownload or find them again on a new device if I tried. :( I was actually kinda bewildered that Sega managed to bring back some of their broken iOS games from the dead for Sega Forever, but it's a shame that somehow they made the Genesis ports worse in that process, but in general I know that if something broke on Steam they'd at least bother to fix it, unlike Capcom and Dark Void Zero (I can't seem to figure out one way or another if that game is broken or not because of conflicting reports but I don't want to even buy it at sale price for that reason.)
Y'know, reading threads like this on Denuvo, I can't help but be reminded of the Xbox One pre-DRM 180 and the recent thread on whether the original idea was right or now after all. The fascinating thing about that, is both at the time (leading to the 180 in the first place) and in the here and now, most people seem to rightly call Microsoft on what pure nonsense that whole thing was, even with all the hypothetical "benefits" Microsoft tried to come up with to sucker people into going along with it.
But yet, here with Denuvo, there are absolutely no benefits on the consumer end, not even the illusion of them like with the original Xbox One idea. But yet even now, despite that, there seems to be around the same amount (when, intuitively, you would think it would be less due to no illusion of benefit) of people just instinctively defending Denuvo all the same by purely arguing the company line and talking about games needing the protection, even though there's no evidence Denuvo is actually protecting anything or offering any true benefit even to the companies that use it, and again, this isn't even attempting to make any argument about actual benefit to consumers at all unlike the original Xbox One idea.
None of that seems to matter though, and in each and every one of these threads on Denuvo, people come out of the woodwork to defend it anyway. And like... I'm just not sure what to make of it exactly. If people rightly called Microsoft in their nonsense despite the alleged consumer benefits and it's pretty much fallen to just a few vocal defenders of that idea now, shouldn't it be even easier if anything to call Denuvo on its nonsense since it doesn't even have any and the defenders should be way, way, fewer in number?
And yet, instead, if anything it's the opposite situation and I'm just not sure what to make if it other than just being baffled by the thing and to the sheer extent some people will go to argue against their own interests and toe the line of faceless corporations instead (and ironically, in doing so, arguing for something that's of nebulous benefit at best even to those corporations as well).
But yet, here with Denuvo, there are absolutely no benefits on the consumer end, not even the illusion of them like with the original Xbox One idea. But yet even now, despite that, there seems to be around the same amount (when, intuitively, you would think it would be less due to no illusion of benefit) of people just instinctively defending Denuvo all the same by purely arguing the company line and talking about games needing the protection, even though there's no evidence Denuvo is actually protecting anything or offering any true benefit even to the companies that use it, and again, this isn't even attempting to make any argument about actual benefit to consumers at all unlike the original Xbox One idea.
None of that seems to matter though, and in each and every one of these threads on Denuvo, people come out of the woodwork to defend it anyway. And like... I'm just not sure what to make of it exactly. If people rightly called Microsoft in their nonsense despite the alleged consumer benefits and it's pretty much fallen to just a few vocal defenders of that idea now, shouldn't it be even easier if anything to call Denuvo on its nonsense since it doesn't even have any and the defenders should be way, way, fewer in number?
And yet, instead, if anything it's the opposite situation and I'm just not sure what to make if it other than just being baffled by the thing and to the sheer extent some people will go to argue against their own interests and toe the line of faceless corporations instead (and ironically, in doing so, arguing for something that's of nebulous benefit at best even to those corporations as well).
It's been cracked yestarday because the dude pretty much runs out of material.
Boom. Customers win again!
This is false - Denuvo's primary function is anti-tamper, which is directly applicable towards anti-cheating/hacking. Whether or not it works well, is immaterial to there being an "illusion" of customer benefits like with XB1.
The original theory on this comes from comparisons to VMProtect.
So let's stick with that analogy for a second - if an application uses VMProtect virtualization, you "can't" remove it - the protected code segments would have to be rewritten(replaced entirely) to eliminate the "overhead".
Moreover due to the above - any performance comparisons across applications are impossible as the overhead(if any) will be completely different in each case. So even if one application did slow down - it doesn't many any other would.