Man, it's gonna be too late. Between Bush and Trump, the rest of the world is gonna think every 8 years the US turns crazy. Then the world will turn to China and Russia.
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NYT: U.S. Opposition to Breast-Feeding Resolution Stuns World Health Officials
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As a future doctor who has looked into the research there isn't great data that shows massive benefits of breastfeeding. Its is definitely the food of choice to feed children due to the antibodies crossing over and giving the infant protection from some gastrointestinal infections but the data on whether it improves IQ isn't there yet.
I agree that women shouldn't be shamed for not breastfeeding but women who do should be protected
I agree that women shouldn't be shamed for not breastfeeding but women who do should be protected
There is plenty of literature about breastfeeding's benefits. Not just for the kid, but for mother too. It can even lower breast cancer risk.
And yeah the formula lobby is pretty big. They tried to pull some really shady shit in my city years ago. It was a big scandal.
But hey, only bullying until Russia proposes it, at which point we back down so Russia can look like the good guy
I have understood that this was an issue in Europe in the seventies and still is an issue in some developing countries. Although I haven't actively read up on the topic in the lest 10 years so maybe this has changed in the last decade.
The infant formula market globally is $45 billion. So, quite big!
Billion Dollar Baby
Nestle did some fucking nefarious shit in third world countries, experimenting their formulas on poverty stricken mothers that lead to a ton of infant deaths.
There was a massive boycott of their products as a result.
How far we've come!
http://www.businessinsider.com/nest...dermined-womens-confidence-in-breastfeeding-6
There was a massive boycott of their products as a result.
How far we've come!
http://www.businessinsider.com/nest...dermined-womens-confidence-in-breastfeeding-6
Resolutions like this are not really aimed at western nations, where the option of breast vs. bottle is not a question of public safety, but a choice. A few years ago, Nestle and other companies concentrated their advertising on poorer and developing nations, encouraging the use of formula, and making an argument that it was better than breast feeding. They provided new moms with samples of the formula, and encouraged them to start with the formula. This became problematic when the realities of cost and water availability caught up with young mothers, who had already stopped producing milk. It was evil.
Then again, we are talking about Nestle, who made noise about water not being a basic human right.
Edit: as you can see in the post just above.
Yeah I can't help but feel that their efforts weren't only to set US policies align with theirs, but to discredit the country and allow Russia to step in like the good guys in the international stage.
I often find myself taking a step back on just reflecting on the sheer fuckery that is the fact that political lobbying is a thing that exists and is a thing that is an ingrained and accepted part of politics. Fucking buying the opinions of people in power is one of the main forces driving America.
So this was the real play with the tariffs all along, eh? Show the world that we aren't afraid to self-immolate with a bunch of ill-advised trade wars, then once everyone knows we're actually dumb enough to do it, threaten more tariffs on weak trade partners to force dumb stuff no one wpul d normally otherwise agree to.
It would almost be brilliant, if you think things like tanking your economy and chilling breastfeeding are worthy outcomes.
It would almost be brilliant, if you think things like tanking your economy and chilling breastfeeding are worthy outcomes.
In a fantasy world, the next president's first term wouldn't count against the two-term limit because it won't be anything but trying to clean up the mess Trump has left behind.
Russia is the last country that needs to be decrying the bullying other countries to promote special interests.
Nestle, also behind nefarious schemes for bottled water, and having massive campaigns to undermine tap water.That was a good read, thanks!
'this administration' yeah because this is a new tactic for the US
THIS IS WHAT THE US HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOING
This is what the US is, the only reason people actually care is because of partisanship. Because of the dumb horse race narrative, team red versus team blue.
You don't even need a working memory for this just use Google. This is how the world knows the US. News flash.
THIS IS WHAT THE US HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOING
This is what the US is, the only reason people actually care is because of partisanship. Because of the dumb horse race narrative, team red versus team blue.
You don't even need a working memory for this just use Google. This is how the world knows the US. News flash.
I absolutely agree with you on not shaming or bullying new mothers into breastfeeding . It's a personal and free choice and should not be judged by others.
It will never be repaired. It's clear the "checks and balances" do fuck all. How does any other nation know that another Trump won't be elected eventually?
Followed by the right wing propaganda machine:
And the cycle will continue.
Apologizing for Hiroshima? Say it isn't so!!!!
Breastfeeding costs zero dollars compared to formula feeding. That alone makes it much less of a "tradeoff" and more of a really obvious solution.
My wife and I aren't financially distraught, but for us, zero dollars every few days vs $35 every few days was a really easy decision to make. Some women also refuse to do formula because they just don't want to do it. They want to feed their kid the natural way, i.e.: my wife.
23andme is a decent source, but if you're really interested in breastfeeding, I'd talk to a lactation consultant. They can tell you a lot about it.
It does helps the child develop nasal breathing skills which again has great influence on jaw development. Doesn't breast milk not also transfer over more bacteria for a better gut flora in the baby. Helping in future development hell there is more research done in gut microbiome and the influence on mental health/obesity and depression.
If the alt-right was consistent at all, they'd realize that Trump and the GOP are... to put it their way, "cucked" by Putin and Russia. Every one of these things turns into a PR coup for Russia playing the part of good guy against the bully USA.
I would be ok if any world organization just stopped listening to America. Go do your things guys. We're that friend that keeps shitting the bed at social events and eventually you just gotta cut ties because they keep embarrassing you and you gotta apologize for them constatntly.
Don't forget this is a country that went into meltdown when Janet Jackson showed a fucking nipple. Here during the school run we have songs that lyrics are "fucks sake" (fy faen)
It is a choice but it needs to be an educated choice. Part of this measure is combatting misleading advertising from the formula companies.
It's not just them. It's the religious prudes of the right thinking that a woman feeding her baby in public is disgusting It's the reason why several US states still ban the practice or force the mother to wear a cover. It's ridiculous.
I'll be honest, I have major issues with the breast feeding community in the US at least. My wife wanted to breast feed my first child and everyone we talked to at the hospital really pushed for it. Constantly telling her how formula was awful for the baby and breast milk was the only way to make sure that the baby would be healthy. After my son was born it became apparent that my wife just wasn't producing enough milk. She went to a bunch of lactation consultants and nurses, but she just couldn't produce enough. The whole time she's getting stressed out because my son wasn't getting enough so in turn he wasn't gaining enough weight. Lost count of how many nights she was in tears because she assumed she was a terrible mother who couldn't feed her son. I'd bring up the possibility of using formula but she'd just get more upset because the lactation people were STILL telling her not to use it. I finally had to go to the pediatrician by myself and tell him what was going on and between the two of us convince my wife that formula is perfectly fine.
I do believe that breast milk is obviously better, but the insane vitriol that the breast feeding community has towards formula is ridiculous and they shame the hell out of mothers that can't or don't want to breast feed.
I do believe that breast milk is obviously better, but the insane vitriol that the breast feeding community has towards formula is ridiculous and they shame the hell out of mothers that can't or don't want to breast feed.
To be fair we always did that.
Past presidents weren't so stupidly transparent about it though.
The Americans were blunt: If Ecuador refused to drop the resolution, Washington would unleash punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid. The Ecuadorean government quickly acquiesced.
This would be funny if not so goddamn cruel. What in the fuck is going on?
This would be funny if not so goddamn cruel. What in the fuck is going on?
wasn't there some controversy with nestle? like they were trying to convince mothers in 3rd world countries that formula was safer than breast milk?
ah looks like somebody already linked the article. nestle is an evil corporation.
Literally "got mine fuck you".
And you're completely clueless about the matter too.
Don't bother replying I won't see it.
Lobbyists are paying our politicians so we can bully small countries with threat of retaliation (by way of withdrawing aid) by the US military? This is insane.
I am starting to think we should just exclude the US. and Russia out of any decision making process regarding health, environment and safety of anything.
This. And this is the most important point here. That people in the thread are distracted by debating the science of breastfeeding is unfortunate.
THIS is the real point of the story. Russia undercutting the US on everything on the world stage and the US allowing it to happen.
This is really, really bad. Like, undercutting over 70 years of painfully crafted American foreign policy work bad.
How did you get that from that?
You need to take a break from this thread.
Nestle is the biggest food company in the world by revenue. What makes its revenue so large?
Gerber.
Read the whole thread then you maybe understand.
It's not even the subject of the thread that's how Russia undercut the US and the US let it happen. Embarrassing. So let's stay on topic, I got nothing else to say on the matter of trying to distract from the subject.
good time to remind people that Nestle pays $200 a year to bottle tons of clean water near Flint, MI
this is a deeply-rooted part of our history though
Bush... two terms.... so many dumb wars... now Trump. As long as your republicans operate as the did the last 20 years you will have a Hard Time to believe that a apology tour will be enough.
Well, I think the USA has always been, but have also been a lot smarter about it. Impossible with the current government of course. So good guy Russia had to step in lol.
More like drain the swamp and fill it with those molded monsters from RE7.
Gonna need several presidents to undo and we're gonna get more Trumps in the meantime.