So.... Don't respond? Lmao it's literally that easy. TWITTER IS PUBLIC FORUM. If didn't didnt want to be "public relations" then don't respond. Let's not make this more complex than it actually is
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Kotaku: GW2 writers fired after Twitter argument. GG pressured firing.
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What the hell are you talking about?
She wrote a twitter thread on "the challenges of creating a personality for an MMO player character" which he liked and responded to, and she in turn pinned his response on her front page (or whatever it's called, I don't use twitter) and shouted "He only did this because I'm a woman!". She called him a "rando asshat" after that too.
She got fired because she was unjustifiably acting like an asshole towards a customer (and fan).
"Price got angry at casual sexism, the kind that the majority of people (especially men) are incapable of seeing at all." is exactly what you can see on every page in this thread and also exactly why they will gloss over your post. A tragedy, really.
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Company fires employee for being rude to customers.
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I can't really, if you want other examples of interactions that didn't take that form they're in that very thread in the replies. The other reason is that basically amounts to "how about if you did this?" Well clearly she thought of that. This is her job, to constantly think of these things. I'm sure he's an alright guy but you gotta check yourself when you do this stuff, I do constantly.
Way I see it, she was pretty inpolite towards mild criticism or really just offering a differing opinion, and don't see why she had to empathesize she was a female dev in particular, not really relevant here. Dont know if that was to make it seem like it's a problem exclusive to female game devs (which it isnt) or trying to make it seem like a sexist attack (which it wasnt).
That said, think a firing is pretty harsh and that arenanet put a statement out about it shows they wanted to calm things down most importantly. Thought a warning or something along those lines would be more appropriate.
Worry I have about stuff like this is it could basically discourage community interaction from devs which would be a shame to see, but would totally understand it seeing what the consequences can be and sadly seems to be more common.
That said, think a firing is pretty harsh and that arenanet put a statement out about it shows they wanted to calm things down most importantly. Thought a warning or something along those lines would be more appropriate.
Worry I have about stuff like this is it could basically discourage community interaction from devs which would be a shame to see, but would totally understand it seeing what the consequences can be and sadly seems to be more common.
She deserved a scolding maybe. Yeah, she acted unprofessional, but come on...
She acted in a public space as a representative for ArenaNet so yeah, she should've definitely known better. Some social media training goes a long way and walking away from heating comments is sometimes the best. Better yet, expect reactions when posting on social media, that what they're there for/ Still, I don't feel someone deserves a firing over this.
He wasn't, which is why accusations of "mansplaining" actively damage the cause of people that have actually have been talked down to or disregarded entirely due to their gender.
It didn't happen here, and to say it does actively dilutes the cause.
Sometimes I wonder if some people on this forum aren't stooges to make this place look bad.
If you look at that twitch clip, and still come away with "he's a sexist" after hearing him basically revering her, then I don't know what to say.
The problem we get to now, is she's a female game dev, and this isn't going to be the first time she's had to deal with this - it's really hard and tiring to be constantly treated by little things all the time like you don't know how to do your job and to have to be polite in the face of it. My fav solution as a women in a male dominated field is occassionally have a little cry in the toilets when noones around. But occassionally I get angry instead and it's hard to try and keep the snarky responses out. Yes, she was rude and probably Areanet needed to have a talk with her about it. But she didn't deserve to get fired - and women have to deal with more shit and still keep a professional demeanor more then men do - we aren't super humans, some times we are going to crack from all the shit. Hence my crying in the bathroom dealio. Not that that's really that professional or mentally healthy either....
Discipline her, take her to a social media etiquette seminar if it's that big a deal.
Firing her right off the bat was the wrong call for ArenaNet to make.
Oh, so now we are doing "he went after her." Come on, he was even PRAISING her the day before lol.
It's fucking weird man, there's some serious conflating going on in that post.
I feel that people should be held accountable to what they say/do in real life or on the internet regarding their job. Like, if you're a dick to someone in the pub and it was just you personally with nothing linking back to your work place then great, but if you were a dick and wearing a company T-shirt and hat and then the person you were a dick to went and told your company then maybe you should get a talking to or something.
Same if you're a racist/sexist/homophobe and it gets to your company, you should be let go because keeping you on implies that your company is ok having a racist/sexist/homophobe work for them. Though in this case it's very different (being a bit of a jerk to fan is obviously and clearly not on the level of a racist/sexist/homophobe) it's still being a jerk to a customer who enjoys your product and you are clearly linked to the company and I'm sure they have guidlines on community interaction (like not engaging in hostile communication with players or whatever).
Personally, I think she was a bit of a jerk and overreacted to the tweet response (taking it as a "you should do it my way, I bet you've never thought of this!" instead of a "I would try it this way if I was in your shoes but I also don't know and am just trying to engage with someone whose work I admire") but I dunno if I would fire her over it. It isn't like she straight up called him a slur or properly insulted him and it wasn't like she went all "ah ha! I'm secretly a Nazi on Twitter and outside the office!". I think it would've been better to give her a warning and let her apologise (if she wanted) and just make sure it didn't happen again, that if she feels someone is mansplaining to her over twitter that she should just block them and not give them the satisfaction. But then again, I'm not head of whatever at whoknowsNet so really, I'm just mansplaining about something I have no knowledge on compared to someone who has worked in that position for a long time.
Same if you're a racist/sexist/homophobe and it gets to your company, you should be let go because keeping you on implies that your company is ok having a racist/sexist/homophobe work for them. Though in this case it's very different (being a bit of a jerk to fan is obviously and clearly not on the level of a racist/sexist/homophobe) it's still being a jerk to a customer who enjoys your product and you are clearly linked to the company and I'm sure they have guidlines on community interaction (like not engaging in hostile communication with players or whatever).
Personally, I think she was a bit of a jerk and overreacted to the tweet response (taking it as a "you should do it my way, I bet you've never thought of this!" instead of a "I would try it this way if I was in your shoes but I also don't know and am just trying to engage with someone whose work I admire") but I dunno if I would fire her over it. It isn't like she straight up called him a slur or properly insulted him and it wasn't like she went all "ah ha! I'm secretly a Nazi on Twitter and outside the office!". I think it would've been better to give her a warning and let her apologise (if she wanted) and just make sure it didn't happen again, that if she feels someone is mansplaining to her over twitter that she should just block them and not give them the satisfaction. But then again, I'm not head of whatever at whoknowsNet so really, I'm just mansplaining about something I have no knowledge on compared to someone who has worked in that position for a long time.
You don't know if this was the only reason that they fired her, though. Unless you work for the team that fired her, you don't necessarily have the context that they do.
They didn't tell her how to do her job though, nor was he complaining.
This is implying he was presenting his response in the form of a direct answer or solution to her "problem", which he wasn't. He was presenting his opinion on the matter, which is obvious from the start when he states "I believe the issue lies in the contraints of the Living Story's narrative design" - at no point did he imply he was telling her how to do her job, or that the solution was obvious, or that he knew better.
He very politely expressed his opinion on the matter, that is all.
Maybe she had a history of acting this way and this way the straw that broke the camel's back
It's been explained many times in this thread already. Even if he wasn't intending that to be the case, it was understandably taken as such due to the context of the sexism that does exist in the industry. He went on to try an explain something to her that she clearly would have known about. Intended or not in this case (and, it clearly was unintended based on his subsequent withdrawal), that is something that typically occurs as part of the casual sexism in the industry and she, having noted that she's experienced this in the past, took it as such.
Something that happens so often on the internet in so obvious ways it's a mystery to me why so many people can't seem to get it.
This isn't the first time she said some shit I'm sure ArenaNet didn't like and I'm sure insaulting a prominent fan who literally called her a "God" in Twitch a day earlier didn't help her cause.
The stance you describe seems to be prevalent - the Youtuber in question is a fan of her and was sincere in his initial interaction - the way this has been blown out of proportion is kind of depressing.
At face value, perhaps. We don't know how many strikes she had previously, or what conversations occurred internally.
All we know is that ArenaNet considered this either enough to justify her termination, or that this was the final straw.
No, it doesn't. It means exactly what she said it was.
You can find solace in somebody not being able to hurt people anymore while not being happy they are dead.
This.
People are like : "oh this mansplaining piece of shit of a Youtuber literallly WENT AFTER HER to says that she was shit at her job !!"
Yeah, no he was really respectful, polite and genuinely wanted to engage in a discussion and even apologised when SHE called him a "rando asshat".
Can you explain what about this makes it mansplaining? Genuinely curious.
As a designer, people are constantly coming up to me with bad/staid ideas.
She's quoted in the article stating that she's not one to stay quiet on Twitter and that she'd always stand up for herself, so that's not really an option.
Also I don't understand what she's standing up for when the tweet in question was not rude or offensive whatsoever.
Reading this thread seems to point out that GG actually had nothing to do with this. They just jumped on the bandwagon AFTER she was fired.
I agree that firing her right away seems extreme, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she was adamant that she did no wrong.
So your labeling this casual sexism? despite reality to the fact?especially given the costumer in question. Is apart of the community that is GW in a deep way and was talking about her before. With lots of praise? that's the tragedy.
It does, because the nuance of the statement makes it clearly different than what people are trying to pass as her tapdancing on his grave.
As I said in the other deleted threads, this firing was definitely deserved. It wasn't the only thing she has done, if you go through her post history on Twitter you can see she has a history of responding aggressively to people.
Also she said some shit when Total Biscuit passed.
So all in all, she had it coming unfortunately.
Also she said some shit when Total Biscuit passed.
So all in all, she had it coming unfortunately.
Losing your job over something so minor seems crazy. She was out of line, misread the situation (and frankly, even if he was unintentionally sexist there are better ways to explain that fact than random insults and sarkiness). Calm heads were needed. Make a few apologies and move on. Instead 2 people lose their jobs, the company (rightfully) gets shit for overreacting, and a small minority of arsehole trolls think they're self important and empowered to do this again in the future. What a mess.
Neither does hers.
A decidedly non-professional response on her public, most recognized name, representing her employer while calling an (in)famous influencer of the company an asshat.
You don't do that, regardless of why, when, or if you're justified. If she had just left her first reply or, y'know, ignored him, it would not have gotten this far, either that or she would be unambiguously in the right. Perhaps even had a legal case.
Firing her for such an action and especially the other, older employee who defended her (even if his defense was crap: it's Twitter. You can set things to private if you don't want people replying to it) is really throwing her under the bus, yeah, but it's not her just being "perhaps a bit too snippy".
Even if we truly consider the guy to be "mansplaining", you don't get to fly off the handle because you think he might be, and all she is doing is feeding right into their hand.
That's flat out fucking wrong, sorry.
The fact that this is even a discussion is miles ahead of the past.
Given the people defending her in this very thread, I could see that.
She acted like a dipshit towards a polite fan, and got fired for it. Company was absolutely in the right.
Another tragedy is you failing to comprehend that you can be sexist to people that you admire.
Bingo. An apology would've been more than enough. Instead, she loses her job, another guy loses HIS job just for standing with her, and now everyone's mad at everybody except GamerGate who thinks they're hot shit for getting people fired.
This was a lose-lose.
No one knows what kind of policies and training AN employees are required to take and adhere to, or if she had already been disciplined for stuff like this in the past. We're not in a position to make that call.
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