I hadn't heard that, but I can't say I really care.
You're the Worst was never as good as the cult audience that worships it thinks it is and Better Things is wildly inconsistent.
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2017-18 Season TV Cancellations/Pilots: E Corp does hostile takeover. Shuts down fsociety
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You're the Worst was never as good as the cult audience that worships it thinks it is and Better Things is wildly inconsistent.
I'm Dying Up Here is weird because it's covering the real life strike but it's still all fictional characters... except for the random times they decide to include real comedians.
Of course, no one gives a shit about it either.... I don't think anyone is even really bothering to cover it. So I don't know why it'd be renewed. lol
Of course, no one gives a shit about it either.... I don't think anyone is even really bothering to cover it. So I don't know why it'd be renewed. lol
I've kind of grown to like I'm Dying Up Here. It's nothing I'd go out of my way to recommend that anyone watch but it's a pretty competently done drama and I've always liked Melissa Leo.
I've watched a lot worse this year (Westworld, Legion, the Preacher season premiere).
I'm still shocked that it was renewed for a second season given the terrible ratings and critical dismissal. I'd be really surprised if Showtime brings it back for a third, but I'd watch it for sure.
I've watched a lot worse this year (Westworld, Legion, the Preacher season premiere).
I'm still shocked that it was renewed for a second season given the terrible ratings and critical dismissal. I'd be really surprised if Showtime brings it back for a third, but I'd watch it for sure.
I assume they didn't want to pay Jay Leno and Letterman and all the other comedians there to use their names, let alone Mitzy Shore, but I think it'd certainly be more "exciting" for the public if it was actually biographical. It's funny when you think about the fact that Jay Leno led a comedy strike and then decades later he would go out of his way to fuck over Conan... turning into the monster he hated. :p
Instead it's this thing that only comedy nerds would care about... and they already know the story, so there's really no reason to watch.
I agree it's fine though, but in the peak TV era, fine is clearly not enough since no one cares. With Westworld, it's a terrible show, but if you have an oogie-boogie mystery and fake HBO prestige (I noticed a distinct lack of cock this season lol) then you have people making podcasts dissecting every episode. You really have to do something special if you aren't doing serialized mystery box bullshit to get noticed (or, alternatively, just make a show about military dudebros and put it on CBS).
Elementary is still going strong huh? Well, in the sense that its been renewed for a 7th season.
At the risk of driving Ratsky nuts again, I started rewatching it recently, as I needed something easy to watch that you dont need to pay much attention to, as its become my "watch to go to sleep when I get home from working graveyard shift" show, so most times I end up only watching like an episode or half an ep before turning it off, and I find procedurals good for that. Also, I still maintain Elementary is on the good side of that particular genre, as even if you dont care about the case of the week, its completely carried by Johnny Lee Miller's very charismatic peformance and his chemistry with Lucy Liu. I wouldnt even call it a guilty pleasure really, I legit think its a good show, or at least, as good as a procedural can be, and I know it has quite a fair of fans around here, which doesnt surprise me. I've actually only seen the first two seasons back in the day before I drifted off shows for awhile until I got Netflix, so this is less a rewatch and more a catch up given the amount of seasons there are now.
Anyway, theres a point to all of this, besides just making Ratsky grind his teeth at someone rewatching shows (especially procedurals, my god lol), and that point is this:
That
twist is fantastic is it not? I actually have half a mind about making a thread about it, if I was so inclined to making threads about random things. It's actually the type of twist that would usually bother me, quite a bit in fact (like if it happened in a superhero thing for example) but here I feel it really fits and made the show better. Also I'm a
fanboy so that helps.
edit: also I remember people mocking Elementary at first vs the BBC Sherlock, but that show got so far up its own ass imo, in the end Elementary probable "won" lol.
At the risk of driving Ratsky nuts again, I started rewatching it recently, as I needed something easy to watch that you dont need to pay much attention to, as its become my "watch to go to sleep when I get home from working graveyard shift" show, so most times I end up only watching like an episode or half an ep before turning it off, and I find procedurals good for that. Also, I still maintain Elementary is on the good side of that particular genre, as even if you dont care about the case of the week, its completely carried by Johnny Lee Miller's very charismatic peformance and his chemistry with Lucy Liu. I wouldnt even call it a guilty pleasure really, I legit think its a good show, or at least, as good as a procedural can be, and I know it has quite a fair of fans around here, which doesnt surprise me. I've actually only seen the first two seasons back in the day before I drifted off shows for awhile until I got Netflix, so this is less a rewatch and more a catch up given the amount of seasons there are now.
Anyway, theres a point to all of this, besides just making Ratsky grind his teeth at someone rewatching shows (especially procedurals, my god lol), and that point is this:
That
Irene / Moriarty
Natalie Dormer
edit: also I remember people mocking Elementary at first vs the BBC Sherlock, but that show got so far up its own ass imo, in the end Elementary probable "won" lol.
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Is it? I have a buddy who does pretty high level work on the show and he seems certain this will be the last season. Although he also thought last would be as well. I've never watched the show but heard decent things about it. In a "well done procedural" kinda way
How high level could he be if he's not aware it's already been renewed for a 7th season? lol
That explains by Sacha dropped off the face of the planet after The Dictator.
Christ, that Cheney clip alone.
Christ, that Cheney clip alone.
I'm referring to after the coming season. I don't watch the show so I have no idea where it's at but he's intimately involved in production so he def has some insight. He's doing last OG right now as well. And the tick (or rather was don't know if it's coming back)
Yeah that Cheney clip. I literally can't wait. Couldn't have come at a more opportune time either
I already felt that Sherlock was a fraud after season 2 (and I loved season 1), so it was hilarious to me that people would shit on Elementary and then like several years later after watching season 4 would come to the realization that they were wrong about Sherlock as well. :p
I also think the "twist" (I'm too lazy to spoiler, also it's like 7 years old lol) is amazing and an actual fresh take on the characters and their dynamics, particularly since it elevates both characters tremendously. (Compare to Sherlock, where both characters are trash).
I'm not going to say it's great, because it's still a CBS procedural after all, but it's a pretty good rendition of the character that has some decent character arcs (Watson being Chinese actually makes sense, for example) and some serviceable serialization.
It will be the end of this month or early August.
Feels like the same thing happens every year.
well season 6 is airing right now (summer show now apparently?), and its been renewed for a 7th with only 9 eps aired, so thats a good sign? And even if its the last, 7 seasons is still pretty good for any show.
Reposting in the thread that people actually read because this is pretty big:
So now that Netflix succeeded in becoming HBO, HBO is going to try to become Netflix. I think most would agree that this was always inevitable.
HBO's "quality over quantity" philosophy hasn't produced Great shows at a faster or more consistent rate than any other established cable channel, so I don't think this is that big of a deal, ultimately. I figure they'll keep their prestige TV pipeline in place and hire new people to oversee their new initiatives.
HBO's going to have to branch out and start providing a broader ranger of content - shows for kids (beyond Sesame Street), teens, old people, families, more racially/sexually diverse shows, faith based shows, reality shows, and (more) foreign language shows if they want to reach a deeper market penetration.
It's going to be fascinating to watch this all play out.
So now that Netflix succeeded in becoming HBO, HBO is going to try to become Netflix. I think most would agree that this was always inevitable.
HBO's "quality over quantity" philosophy hasn't produced Great shows at a faster or more consistent rate than any other established cable channel, so I don't think this is that big of a deal, ultimately. I figure they'll keep their prestige TV pipeline in place and hire new people to oversee their new initiatives.
HBO's going to have to branch out and start providing a broader ranger of content - shows for kids (beyond Sesame Street), teens, old people, families, more racially/sexually diverse shows, faith based shows, reality shows, and (more) foreign language shows if they want to reach a deeper market penetration.
It's going to be fascinating to watch this all play out.
Eh I disagree here because HBO has gotten by fine with what they do now. They're big hang up had been their latness to streaming and the inevitable of people realizing "wow HBO costs a lot to have" whereas others went for cheap rates to build subscribers. Netflix will not be sustainable at their current pricing, 12-15/month is inevitable and people are already growing tired of Netflix's "throw it at a wall" approach. To me I see Netflix as trying to be ABC, NBC, Fox, and HBO all rolled into one whreas HBO has always been it's own corner. And ultimately the idea of 'engagement' is a poor metric because it's so impossible to measure with true accuracy. Is Engagement just opening the service, is it opening & search, is it clicking. a show and watching 10 minutes? To me this is nothing more than AT&T thinking they need to chase Netflix & Amazon in 'content'.
I also feel HBO already does a good job of providing many different content options. They have shows that appeal to a wide base with GoT to Insecure to Wyatt Cena's Problem Ares to Vice Prinicipals.
I truly think an "awakening" is going to come soon for Netflix w/r/t to how much they just pump out shows.
Ding ding ding. You know how many services would kill for that kind of revenue / subscriber base at $15/month?
Yup. HBO is fine as is. The article reads like the new bosses are trying to be a private equity firm and milk it for all its worth.
Just fix your fucking web player. It's hot garbage. Otherwise keep doing you HBO
I disagree that it's fine as is. They have long periods where nothing truly worth watching is airing and it takes them way too long to get shows to air.
They were trying to green light that alternate history bullshit show by the GOT showrunners so something needs to shake
Fair point. But I don't think what the new execs are going for is the right thing to do either.
The HBO news rubs me the wrong way. The back and forth between Stankey and Plepler shows they're not on the same page here. Stankey doesn't present a compelling argument other than "well, we need to get a lot bigger because Netflix is" along with a slew of buzzwords that don't add up to much.
Hell, I'd be satisfied if HBO could just keep a consistent production schedule like Showtime.
There's no reason they should be going years between seasons of shows, especially when they are rarely worth the wait.
There's no reason they should be going years between seasons of shows, especially when they are rarely worth the wait.
HBO should be HBO.
Netflix should be Netflix.
I'm fine with each chasing their own goals and not chasing each other.
Netflix should be Netflix.
I'm fine with each chasing their own goals and not chasing each other.
I don't think anyone expects HBO to ever be exactly like Netflix and go "Hey, we're releasing 10 shows this week" but there's no reason why B-movie schlock like Westworld shouldn't be able to air a season a year.
It's not like they're spending the extra time writing decent scripts or staging competent and elaborate action scenes.
It's not like they're spending the extra time writing decent scripts or staging competent and elaborate action scenes.
To be honest, even though your post is a bit too vitriolic with the hate, I do agree with the sentiment.
Samuraiworld is a perfect example of this inefficiency. Nolan and Joy tease this world and imply it'll have a bigger focus in Season 2 only for it to show up in 2 episodes and then disappear. To see the work they put in for those scenes alone, you'd think it's the pilot for its own new show. While I do understand the idea is to ultimately reuse all the sets and props made in the future, it is rather curious to see HBO effectively hand Nolan & Joy a ton of cash for what turns out to be not a lot of return. I can't imagine the stuff with the Raj was cheap either.
Ditto on the action though. Gunfights are interesting and all, but the only massive battle scenes we've seen on the show have been relatively underwhelming.
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I really hope that the HBO news is just PR fluff because this:
this is just a great way of making sure that HBO loses whatever identity it has. Also it's fucking terrifying how Stankey views this.
I can't believe he's gonna pull it off again. How culturally deaf do you have to be to not know who Cohen is by now?
I think this HBO news was inevitable given the current OTT marketplace. A channel/platform like HBO can always use more cash for productions. They've tried launching a second night of viewing in the past (are they programming a 2nd now?) but realistically if they want to grow their channel outside the US, where they don't have first run films unlike the US, then they need more content to fill out their library. That requires more capital.
Where things become sketchy is the type of programming that HBO will offer under Stankey's expansion plans.
If AT&T insist on HBO becoming all things to all people then that's where the wheels will fall off, I just don't see stuff like 13 Reasons or Pretty Little Liars (for example) working on HBO but I can see more genre offerings (Demimonde and Watchmen being a start) working as the platform tries to compliment their well reviewed but pretty low rated dramas and comedies.
I think it's possible to increase the output that HBO has without diluting the brand and it's output too much. I don't see AT&T giving HBO 'Netflix levels' of spending (especially as they have an OTT service from WB in the works too) but AT&T probably see it as an undervalued and underfunded (relatively speaking) asset that has been underachieving (profitable but still programs a single night of shows and was late to get into the OTT game) for years.
I can easily see HBO offering 2 or even 3 nights or programming in the next couple of years as they transition into a more global platform.
Where things become sketchy is the type of programming that HBO will offer under Stankey's expansion plans.
If AT&T insist on HBO becoming all things to all people then that's where the wheels will fall off, I just don't see stuff like 13 Reasons or Pretty Little Liars (for example) working on HBO but I can see more genre offerings (Demimonde and Watchmen being a start) working as the platform tries to compliment their well reviewed but pretty low rated dramas and comedies.
I think it's possible to increase the output that HBO has without diluting the brand and it's output too much. I don't see AT&T giving HBO 'Netflix levels' of spending (especially as they have an OTT service from WB in the works too) but AT&T probably see it as an undervalued and underfunded (relatively speaking) asset that has been underachieving (profitable but still programs a single night of shows and was late to get into the OTT game) for years.
I can easily see HBO offering 2 or even 3 nights or programming in the next couple of years as they transition into a more global platform.
I don't disagree with this but Stankey's comments make it seem like they want HBO to be Netflix. The thing people open up every night and 'tune into' with rows of suggested content.
I still stand by the statement that while Netflix has had some successful programming they are yet to hit the level of HBO type of hit. Stranger Things is maybe the closest, but when you consider the massive scale of Game of Thrones it's still not even close.
I just hope HBO doesn't turn into the 'binge' model of content
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Yeah. It makes me sad, since I love Home Improvement. I feel like he because the Tim character and stayed in the late 80s/early 90s mentality of the good old 1950's days.
Never heard of any cult of YTW, but you're wrong on both things.
YTW is hilarious while being heartfelt, and Better Things is super poignant. I'm excited to see Better Things and I'll be sad that YTW is ending, but it had a good run. Been waiting for word on both.
It's so weird, I haven't watched Home Improvement pretty much since it finished so I have no idea what I would see nowadays.
Other than maybe Al was closeted because he had so much trouble with women. :p
I do love the show as well. I typically can't stand procedurals, but the mysteries here are well-written and Johnny Lee Miller is indeed a fantastic Sherlock, with Lucy Liu playing an excellent Watson that works very well with Miller. The cast at the police precinct is excellent as well. I did love Natalie Dormer's part as well:
I hope they'll find a way to get her back at least for a few episodes before the show ends
I think the serialized aspects of the show are also well done. Almost every episode moves the story along somehow even if the focus is almost always on the procedural mystery. The characters really do develop, which is more than you can say of most shows of this style. I will watch this for as long as it's around, and considering how much money it still makes I'm hoping that will be for a few years. The ratings are bad but supposedly the streaming and international deals are lucrative.
I've seen it recently, and there are definitely misogynist ideals in it, but Jill definitely holds her own and balances it out pretty well. Tim also gets shit on a lot for his ideals.
Sepinwall wrote about the recent HBO developments
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/hbo-wants-to-be-netflix-695061/
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/hbo-wants-to-be-netflix-695061/
This falls in line with his typical criticisms of Netflix, and to an extent all streaming first options, so I'm not surprised to see this take. I agree with him on all of this, but where I think we both overlook things is we grew up in a time where episodes were treated with "respect" and there wasn't this need for a 13 hour movie. Many young viewers are growing up in this kind of viewing, so to them it's very likely just second nature. It also discounts how much 'second screen' viewing is used by many viewers in the sense of actively using their phone/tablet/computer while watching. So those moments of boring don't feel as heavy because we're engaging in other ways.
They need to be continually feeding each demographic though like Netflix does. One show per demographic per year isn't really going to cut it anymore.
So HBO's big fall show is the second season of the weakest David Simon show (which admittedly is still pretty damn good) that like five people will watch?
Seems like AT&T's desire for a change is 100% correct.
Seems like AT&T's desire for a change is 100% correct.
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