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Toonami |JulAug18| It's something that's definitely not bread

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Zonic

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If anything, I'm much more interested in how Alternative will play out now. Like, maybe people won't be as hard on it because we know it's going to try to be something else instead of "let's try to recapture the magic of the original"

Plus it probably helps it seems like the side characters will be better this time around. Especially since they have a more personal connection to our main character compared to the classmates in FLCLP who were kind of just....there.
 
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We're 0 for 3 on original Toonami shows so far for me personally, and given how few of them we can get, it's sad.
 
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Htown said:
I mean, I guess Progressive wasn't as good as FLCL, not that FLCL did all that much for me in the first place.
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I really enjoyed Progressive, but I'm also not that crazy about the original series. I've noticed that the people that are more critical of Progressive seem to hold the first show in an extremely high regard, so I find it difficult to debate the quality of the show, because I have very little common ground with them. The only thing I can really do is to agree to disagree, because it looks like I'm after something completely different.
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This so much
 
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I need to watch all six episodes again, but I will say I liked Progressive even though it doesn't hit the highs of OG FLCL.
This might be controversial when I say that I liked how vulnerable and real Haruko was when confronting Atomsk. She's been the deuteragonist of this franchise and throughout OG and Progressive, she's always felt like a Bugs Bunny gag-like force of nature who bends the world to her whim. Having her break down in tears in a played-straight emotional scene where the person she wants doesn't want her but she continues to chase after him anyway is pretty sad. It made Haruko feel human.
 
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Imperial Bishop said:
I need to watch all six episodes again, but I will say I liked Progressive even though it doesn't hit the highs of OG FLCL.
This might be controversial when I say that I liked how vulnerable and real Haruko was when confronting Atomsk. She's been the deuteragonist of this franchise and throughout OG and Progressive, she's always felt like a Bugs Bunny gag-like force of nature who bends the world to her whim. Having her break down in tears in a played-straight emotional scene where the person she wants doesn't want her but she continues to chase after him anyway is pretty sad. It made Haruko feel human.
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I felt conflicted at that scene, but when I remember that this has probably happened numerous times (I mean, he escaped at the end of the first season, so who knows how many times this has happened before), it feels like it makes more sense & this is basically the breaking point. It's out of character, but at the same time, adds character?

Though Jinyu coming back was just...okay? The more I think about it, the more I see why people think she didn't do much & left little impression upon the viewer, especially when she's got a rather cool design.
 
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Though Jinyu coming back was just...okay? The more I think about it, the more I see why people think she didn't do much & left little impression upon the viewer, especially when she's got a rather cool design.
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I'll defend most of the series, but I'll partially concede this point. While she did get some really funny gags, she didn't stand out to me that much as a character. The reason I say "partially" is because I think she ended up affecting Hidomi a lot more than most are giving her credit for.
 
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If anything, maybe it's just the fact it was an interesting concept where Haruko was split into two or whatever, but they hardly did anything with it. They really only interacted in episodes 3 & 4, and by then, Jinyu was gone.

...hell, what even happened to Jinyu when she came back in the final episode? Did she go off with Haruko? Just stay behind to help with the cafe? I imagine they addressed this while I wasn't looking.

Again, I think I need to rewatch this series having knowledge of all the episodes. That's kind of how the original was.

I will say this, I don't think I've ever felt this conflicted on a series that's aired on Toonami.
 
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I've said it before, but Haruko really felt flanderized in Progressive. It was like the show was trying way too hard to be wacky. I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt and thought maybe it was intentional because of her splitting, but that didn't really go anywhere.
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Haruko in Progressive is basically unrecognizable to me, even when she was "back together again."

Hopefully Alternative is better. If nothing else, episode 1 of Alternative seemed a lot more promising.
 
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as for other shows that Toonami has made I actually really like IGPX sure the first half of the first season is a bit weak but I think the rest of the show is pretty good
 
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I would say that Space Dandy is probably the best original Toonami programming because it's not trying to follow up on a previous IP, but then I remember how some people were whining it wasn't like Cowboy Bebop.
 
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Zonic said:
I would say that Space Dandy is probably the best original Toonami programming because it's not trying to follow up on a previous IP, but then I remember how some people were whining it wasn't like Cowboy Bebop.
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Its definitely Space Dandy. It might not reach the heights of Bebop or Champloo but its still one of the best anime I've ever watched
 
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Im all ready for the new AoT season after checking out AX's premiere event!

Caught up with Jojo and HxH last night.
... Polnereff ;_;
life really is a bitch.
 

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Was Lupin part 5 or whatever any good?
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First 13 episodes (what's aired so far) of Part V are a lot better than the first 13 episodes of Part IV. Part V is organized into a series of mini-arcs (with a few one-off episodes here or there that sometimes have a radically different feel/tone). The 3rd mini-arc just started last week (and that episode was a doozy - in a good way).
 
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Wait.

So apparently the 4th season of Tokyo Ghoul is going to cover a whopping 120+ chapters in 12 episodes.

That's an average of 10 chapters per episode. That sounds like it's going to be a repeat of the first season & going WAY too fast.
 
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Wait.

So apparently the 4th season of Tokyo Ghoul is going to cover a whopping 120+ chapters in 12 episodes.

That's an average of 10 chapters per episode. That sounds like it's going to be a repeat of the first season & going WAY too fast.
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Inuyasha the Final Act: "We're going to put 21 volumes into 26 episodes."
Tokyo Ghoul:Re: "Hold my beer."
 
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Its too bad Goku already used the dragon balls this year otherwise I would've used them to erase Tokyo Ghoul from existance.
 
midfalutin

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guys what if we made a sequel to FLCL but we made Haruko.....THE VILLAIN!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!!??!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
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Zonic said:
I felt conflicted at that scene, but when I remember that this has probably happened numerous times (I mean, he escaped at the end of the first season, so who knows how many times this has happened before), it feels like it makes more sense & this is basically the breaking point. It's out of character, but at the same time, adds character?

Though Jinyu coming back was just...okay? The more I think about it, the more I see why people think she didn't do much & left little impression upon the viewer, especially when she's got a rather cool design.
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Shieeet, now that I think about it, Jinyu's whole purpose was to motivate Ide and Hidomi.

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I just had that same thought
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I had to make that joke before anyone else did. :P
 
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hey I know the Part 4 fight you're referencing
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That immediately fucking popped into my head after I posted that, it's a great fight though. I think I mainly posted that after my constant bouts with online dating. Imagine a Jojo dealing with that...shit some of the relationships would be weird as fuck to actually explore in later parts...Part 6 readers know what's up.
 
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But she was already the villain in the original
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that's what i mean.

i don't think Progressive actually recognized that half the shit it's trying to convey is already there in the original, and what it does add (the "relationship" with Atomsk) is a fundamental misunderstanding of the material.
 
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That immediately fucking popped into my head after I posted that, it's a great fight though. I think I mainly posted that after my constant bouts with online dating. Imagine a Jojo dealing with that...shit some of the relationships would be weird as fuck to actually explore in later parts...Part 6 readers know what's up.
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It's funny how Part 4 deals with all kind of different relationships.
 
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for what it's worth the Toonami-original shows always at least had some truly good stuff mixed in.

Space Dandy has some down episodes but is mostly pretty good and has some greatest of all time-tier stuff here and there.

Samurai Jack season 5 started out incredible before leveling off and eventually ending at mediocre-to-bad but that general inconsistency puts it in line with Samurai Jack as a whole, which isn't exactly winners straight through; maybe it comes off as more disappointing when it's done over the course of one shorter season and as a more serialized story but I do think it all balances out to just being...Samurai Jack.

FLCL Progressive has like 2 and a half good episodes and might be the most disappointing here just because even those good episodes are good in large part due to the uptick in production quality rather than because they build on characters in a particularly insightful way since the setup for those characters isn't ever there.

Hell, season 2 of IGPX is legitimately good and it finds its feet toward the end of the first.
 
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midfalutin said:
that's what i mean.

i don't think Progressive actually recognized that half the shit it's trying to convey is already there in the original, and what it does add (the "relationship" with Atomsk) is a fundamental misunderstanding of the material.
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Yep. It was pretty obvious at the end of FLCL1 that she wasn't really in love with Atomsk. That was just Amarao's petty interpretation of the situation. She was only really after his power. She even says, "You can't do that Naota. I'm going to be the one to eat him." Plot aside, I think Progressive's biggest mistake is that it didn't understand why things were happening in the original and then just assumed you can make anything happen for any reason because that's what someone who didn't "get" the underlying themes of the original would assume was going on. Like, there was just so much stuff that happens for no reason in Progressive that feels completely inserted only to confuse without having a plausable or deeper meaning. Take for example the old, eyepatch guy and his fascination with boxing. What was that? Is there some kind of metaphor at play here or is it just being random for random's sake? Or how Aiko turning into a plant. Am I just supposed to go, "Oh hey. That's weird. Maybe she's an alien? Whatever." I mean, why build up her character at all just to have it not pay off in any kind of satisfying way? While we're at it, let's slip in one or two brief scenes about Hidomi's mother being unloving and then make that into some kind of big revelation moment in the finale. That entire thing felt so unjustified. There was no real build up. Even the main characters just feel like they are without direction or arcs of any kind.
 
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nah bro, see, her smashing the plant is a giant metaphor about how she just threw her virginity away, or being "deflowered" as they call it

because she's being paid by men & by giving the flower away, it's symbolism.

but then turning into a plant, she....got re-flowered....or...

..........what am i talking about again
 
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Zonic said:
nah bro, see, her smashing the plant is a giant metaphor about how she just threw her virginity away, or being "deflowered" as they call it

because she's being paid by men & by giving the flower away, it's symbolism.

but then turning into a plant, she....got re-flowered....or...

..........what am i talking about again
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Some fooly cooly shit
 
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Asta with best YYH is the BEST thing ever!!!! OTP

Also cover reconfirms the HeroAca Naruto comparisons.
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