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Ukraine

Banned
Jun 1, 2018
2,182
Nintendo is weird. It's kind of Apple of gaming but without market share. You are basically paying a premium for your choice of platform holder.
 

Rocketjay

Member
Apr 30, 2018
1,043
With all due respect here, this isn't really true for most games except Nintendo. And I'm trying to be as apples to apples comparison here. Let's take Horizon on the PS4. We've got 2 very well selling first party exclusive games that are both open world, both retailed for the same price, and they even released at a similar time.

The units sold are even similar. Zelda is about 8.5 million or so on Switch (as of April or so) and Horizon is about 7.6 (as of the end of Feb or so). So, again trying to make the circumstances even here, these are the current costs.

Price on Amazon.com US for Horizon (Complete Edition with all DLC) = $39.99
Price on Amazon.com US for BOTW (Standard Edition with no DLC = $54.90
Doesn't that mean that the Sales of Breath of the Wild even more impressive than the Horizon sales? It's a game selling on a 17.88 mil userbase vs 80 mil userbase.
 

klastical

Member
Oct 29, 2017
4,712
It's a shame, still looking to get Splatoon and the DLC but I can't look at my wife with a straight face when we are trying to save to go to Europe dropping 80$ out of the blue on one game.

One year out and still full price. Nintendo sucks with digital sales.


Then dont but the DLC? You can still get hundereds of hours of fun out of splatoon 2 without playing the dlc.
 
Nov 13, 2017
844
It's a shame, still looking to get Splatoon and the DLC but I can't look at my wife with a straight face when we are trying to save to go to Europe dropping 80$ out of the blue on one game.

One year out and still full price. Nintendo sucks with digital sales.

You don't have to but the game + DLC at the same time. You could always buy the game first, and the DLC afterwards at some point.
 

Saint-14

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
14,477
this thread is distasteful. alot of bad understanding of basic capitolism amd economics. To call Nintendo greedy for the way they price their games is just well...stupid.
You guys would heavily discount your great games as quickly as possible?
Which big studio you want closed first?
haha Retro?

ok let's discount Tropical Freeze on Wii U right when it comes out. Uh oh...we just lost aot of money and now our game is percieved as a bomba!

What are we gonna do now? The game is percieved as a failure. How the hell can we come back and sell it later for 59.99 with that rep?

no future sales for tropical freeze either.

yeah you select group of business savvy gamers should run Nintendo.
This doesn't really make sense, I don't see other companies closing down just because they are discounting their games.
 

casiopao

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
5,044
You really haven't shown anything supporting that, was the DS getting all the big third party games? PS3's struggle in Japan also had nothing to do with support but more to do with the state of the console market there, just look at the PS4.

The F.

DS got DQ9. A mainline DQ. Thats as big as support as possible from SE.

It got all Layton which sold millions for all its release.

It even got a Grand Theft Auto title which had never shown up on any Nintendo platform ever.

Thats not adding title that got huge on DS like Scribblenauts, Drawn to Life(Thq), Multiple Castlevania, multiple sonic games and even an exclusive Kingdom Hearts game at that time.

We are not even adding huge remake like FF3,4 and DQ remake.

Again. To said that DS third party support is not comparable to Playstation ecosystem is just false and stupid.
 

Rocketjay

Member
Apr 30, 2018
1,043
this thread is distasteful. alot of bad understanding of basic capitolism amd economics. To call Nintendo greedy for the way they price their games is just well...stupid.
You guys would heavily discount your great games as quickly as possible?
Which big studio you want closed first?
haha Retro?

ok let's discount Tropical Freeze on Wii U right when it comes out. Uh oh...we just lost aot of money and now our game is percieved as a bomba!

What are we gonna do now? The game is percieved as a failure. How the hell can we come back and sell it later for 59.99 with that rep?

no future sales for tropical freeze either.

yeah you select group of business savvy gamers should run Nintendo.
Using Tropical Freeze is a bad example. That game is a 4-year-old port that is $60 from the $50 Wii U version.

There wouldn't be any problem with that if there was DKCR as a download code.

But just an assist mode that I will never use? Hell no.

The game's price is unjustified compared to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Hyrule Warriors, and Bayonetta 1+2

Even Captain Toad Treasure Tracker is $40

There is no excuse for Tropical Freezes price point and I say it as someone who considers it to be one of the best platform games of all time.
 

Axisofweevils

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,842
This has been going on for a while. The DS port of Mario 64 was still selling at full price long into the 3DS era.
 

VeePs

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,369
It's a shame, still looking to get Splatoon and the DLC but I can't look at my wife with a straight face when we are trying to save to go to Europe dropping 80$ out of the blue on one game.

One year out and still full price. Nintendo sucks with digital sales.

It's up to you, but I'd say get GameStop Elite Pro membership. I just bought (all preowned) Xenoblade 2, Bayonetta 2, and God of War for a total of $90 because they had a B2G1 weekend. So I'll be busy for awhile.

Also, You can check your local GameStop's via the app and see what preowned copies they have of games, and then if you sign up or GameStop Elite Pro they'll send you a B2G1 coupon to use in store only. You can make a purchase there.

Obviously I know some people don't like GameStop or preowned games but it's worked for me.

Your next best bet is to stack up on Black Friday imo.

Also, another thing to note is Nintendo first party games hold their value really well. That means when your finished with a game you can see it for a decent price.
 

switchitter

Banned
Dec 9, 2017
616
Using Tropical Freeze is a bad example. That game is a 4-year-old port that is $60 from the $50 Wii U version.

There wouldn't be any problem with that if there was DKCR as a download code.

But just an assist mode that I will never use? Hell no.

The game's price is unjustified compared to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Hyrule Warriors, and Bayonetta 1+2

Even Captain Toad Treasure Tracker is $40

There is no excuse for Tropical Freezes price point and I say it as someone who considers it to be one of the best platform games of all time.
the broader market decides. that's what you guys don't get. TF is charting really well right now at a full price. If they turned it into a game you can get for 6.99 at gamestop in 2014, nobody would buy it now.
 

Deleted member 7044

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
386
Bought my son (and by extension, me) a Switch. Impressed with the hardware and the functionality. Mariokart with the wheels for the joycons for my kid is great and he got the hang of steering super quick, but oh my god everything else on the store is so freaking expensive.

Zelda for £59.99 digitally? Booooo. And these kind of prices are everywhere on the store, even old indie games I have on my Xbox/PC.

Any good discount sites for digital codes or whatever anywhere?

Buy physical when possible. Digital is almost always the more expensive option for anything on console.

Zelda's £47.99 on Amazon right now.
 

Saint-14

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
14,477
The F.

DS got DQ9. A mainline DQ. Thats as big as support as possible from SE.

It got all Layton which sold millions for all its release.

It even got a Grand Theft Auto title which had never shown up on any Nintendo platform ever.

Thats not adding title that got huge on DS like Scribblenauts, Drawn to Life(Thq), Multiple Castlevania, multiple sonic games and even an exclusive Kingdom Hearts game at that time.

We are not even adding huge remake like FF3,4 and DQ remake.

Again. To said that DS third party support is not comparable to Playstation ecosystem is just false and stupid.
Your list is Japan heavy, I've said in an earlier post that Japan is always on board with Nintendo console, it's the rest of the world that are not which makes the support lacking in comparison.
have you been around the last ten years
how many studios have closed down
how many Nintendo studios have closed
No, I was born in 2011, remember?

Studios closing down have nothing to do with them cutting prices, you'd see every company except for Nintendo closing down if that was the case.
 

Cup O' Tea?

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,603
I dont mind paying new game prices when a game is actually new. It kind of sucks when they stay that price many years after though. Nintendo could definitely be more pro-active about having a 'greatest hits/platinum" range for their older games. Some money is still better than no money afterall.

On the flip-side, their shitty pricing makes Nintendo stuff great for selling second hand. I recently made over $1500 selling my old games and about 70% of that income came from my Gamecube library alone.
 

Stardestroyer

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,819
Actually, right now my biggest hang up with the switch. I was a step away from pulling the trigger on the $224 switch deal, but I aint spending 60 dollars on really old games.

Doesn't that mean that the Sales of Breath of the Wild even more impressive than the Horizon sales? It's a game selling on a 17.88 mil userbase vs 80 mil userbase.

Not really since one of them is an established franchise that has existed for 30 years vs a new franchise. Another reason could (a little fanboyi) is that when you have a brand new console buying the first AAA is probably given versus a console that has many AAA game to select from.
 

casiopao

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
5,044
Your list is Japan heavy, I've said in an earlier post that Japan is always on board with Nintendo console, it's the rest of the world that are not which makes the support lacking in comparison.

No, I've been born in 2011, remember?

Studios closing down have nothing to do with them cutting prices, you'd see every company except for Nintendo closing down if that was the case.

Now we are exclusive to western third party only? Anything to suit your argument then.

DS never lack any support from even western market especially when DS got, Call of Duty, GTA, Scribblenauts, Nano series, Drawn to Life, Sims, Aliens, Age of Empires and Civilization

Hell, even Microsoft supported Ds that time with Viva Pinata.

Of course DS will not got as much support from western 3rd party considering how much they push for console but to said there is no support is false.
 

Jacobson

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,444
You really haven't shown anything supporting that, was the DS getting all the big third party games? PS3's struggle in Japan also had nothing to do with support but more to do with the state of the console market there, just look at the PS4.

Literally just look at the entire list of games released on the DS. Do your own research before saying that a console has no 3rd party support. Why do we have to prove it when you made the claim?
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
People defending nintendo yikes
It's more than fair to call Nintendo for Tropical Freeze and Mario Kart pricing on the Switch, but calling anti-consumer because Breath of the Wild isn't $30 a year later is a little ridiculous. The "it's been a year, this needs to be $30 less" expectation is a silly one when several games drop in price simply to stay relevant.
 

Hate

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,730
As a consumer, I don't know how you can defend this. Most of the reasoning in this thread seems to benefit Nintendo and not the buyer. Do you guys work for Nintendo?
 

Zippo

Banned
Dec 8, 2017
8,256
It's the strength of the Nintendo brand and their very long shelf life. Their games keep selling for years. I'm sure we'll see a "Selects" line on the Switch at some point. Hopefully, anyway.
 

Thebeast!

Banned
Mar 18, 2018
1,487
It's more than fair to call Nintendo for Tropical Freeze and Mario Kart pricing on the Switch, but calling anti-consumer because Breath of the Wild isn't $30 a year later is a little ridiculous. The "it's been a year, this needs to be $30 less" expectation is a silly one when several games drop in price simply to stay relevant.
It is a old game it should go on discount. Imo
 

Slam Tilt

Member
Jan 16, 2018
5,585
Who the fuck owns a charge grip? The joycons last for 20 hours each and charge really fast.
I own a charge grip, for the convenience of keeping all of my joycons constantly charged (2 on the Switch, 2 in the grip) and the convenience of instantly grabbing a "conventional" controller when I want one. But I think it's a fair price since I've never even had to think about charging a joycon since launch.
 

Chindogg

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,241
East Lansing, MI
As a consumer, I don't know how you can defend this. Most of the reasoning in this thread seems to benefit Nintendo and not the buyer. Do you guys work for Nintendo?

Defend what? Paying full price for games? Are they supposed to just drop the price because you want to?

Buy the game, play it, sell it for almost the same price you got it. Or get a PS4 and wait 3 months for their games to drop to peanuts because they make it up in services.

Two different sales models. Not everything has to follow what Sony does because you think so.
 

Ximonz

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,468
Taiwan
As a consumer, I don't know how you can defend this. Most of the reasoning in this thread seems to benefit Nintendo and not the buyer. Do you guys work for Nintendo?

I buy every game at full price because I appreciate and respect the work and talent developers put behind their games.

unless they like to devalue their own work.
 

KtSlime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,910
Tokyo
It would be wise for everyone to remember, most discounts aren't done for the sake of the player. They are done because the game wasn't making enough at it's original retail price. If they could, other publishers would keep the game at the release price for as long as Nintendo does.
 

jrDev

Banned
Mar 2, 2018
1,528
My sole reason I dont pick up a switch

I see people say this is the new vita but no not for me

With vita I could go all digital, has some 50 games and I have never payed for than 15$ for a game. This will never happen with Switch, even same games, watch terraria stay at 30$ for ever

Sure Nintendo first party games can be expensive but when old indie games costs tenfold I cant justify a purchase. Hopefully some years from now
What??? There are plenty of good games that cost $15 or less on the platform, one recent big one being Hollow Knight. Get out of here with the ignorance...

And there are a lot of sales to be had currently...
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
Actually, right now my biggest hang up with the switch. I was a step away from pulling the trigger on the $224 switch deal, but I aint spending 60 dollars on really old games.



Not really since one of them is an established franchise that has existed for 30 years vs a new franchise. Another reason could (a little fanboyi) is that when you have a brand new console buying the first AAA is probably given versus a console that has many AAA game to select from.
One of then is selling for 30$, the other still at premium price, I asure you if horiZon kept its 60$ price, it would not be close to whatever sales they have right now
 

Rocketjay

Member
Apr 30, 2018
1,043
Actually, right now my biggest hang up with the switch. I was a step away from pulling the trigger on the $224 switch deal, but I aint spending 60 dollars on really old games.



Not really since one of them is an established franchise that has existed for 30 years vs a new franchise. Another reason could (a little fanboyi) is that when you have a brand new console buying the first AAA is probably given versus a console that has many AAA game to select from.
Before launch, there were many people that doubted that Zelda would be that good of a system seller for the switch.
 

Stardestroyer

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,819
One of then is selling for 30$, the other still at premium price, I asure you if horiZon kept its 60$ price, it would not be close to whatever sales they have right now
That's why games drop prices, so they can sell more. Nintendo doesn't get to do that because they already have an established history of not doing it, also it doesn't hurt that there are less AAA games to compete with.

Before launch, there were many people that doubted that Zelda would be that good of a system seller for the switch.

Well those people are stupid because Zelda games on console (not handheld) have been a 4+ million dollar franchise


I work so i can buy products at maximum cost to help out a huge corporation owned by bankers and investment funds; and to show them i care. I wish games never went on sale so everyone would have to do the same.
Won't someone think of the poor banker and investment funds.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,490
I work so i can buy products at maximum cost to help out a huge corporation owned by bankers and investment funds; and to show them i care. I wish games never went on sale so everyone would have to do the same.
 

jrDev

Banned
Mar 2, 2018
1,528
Go back to when exactly? NES? That's a much different ERA and gaming was still small compared to now, I doubt me and you know how pricing worked back then, that still doesn't changed the fact that Sony entered the market on the back of third parties and since then the support for Nintendo consoles were lacking, it's really no rocket science, why would I buy your game for full price if I can get 10 others like it for much cheaper?


It really doesn't matter what the reasoning is they say, getting more games simply creates more competition for yourown, how do you stay competitive with them? By offering things cheaper of course (that's on top of offering quality titles for sure).
Dunno if someone else responded to you yet, but did you ignore the part where the poster said Nintendo Portables too and not just home consoles? The DS was a MONSTER brimming with 3rd party support (competition) and the 1st party games still stayed at full price for most of DS lifetime. Get off your high horse and accept what you said is wrong, competition will NOT change Nintendo's pricing strategy...

EDIT: Lmfao you also conveniently ignored the Monster software seller the Wii was haha...
 

LightEntite

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,079
I work so i can buy products at maximum cost to help out a huge corporation owned by bankers and investment funds; and to show them i care. I wish games never went on sale so everyone would have to do the same.
Not devaluating your product to move stock is anti-consumer??

aHahjahahahahahahahahaha
I buy every game at full price because I appreciate and respect the work and talent developers put behind their games.

unless they like to devalue their own work.
Defend what? Paying full price for games? Are they supposed to just drop the price because you want to?

Buy the game, play it, sell it for almost the same price you got it. Or get a PS4 and wait 3 months for their games to drop to peanuts because they make it up in services.

Two different sales models. Not everything has to follow what Sony does because you think so.


this thread is mindblowing

like this is some kind of bizarro world, some form of the twilight zone

where people are actually defending practices out of their own self-interests entirely out of what can only be pure ignorance....and a depressingly misguided sense of loyalty


these people have actually convinced you lot that....it's better for you to spend more money than you should for no reason other than that they've convinced you that you should

I can fully understand accepting this, or being okay with it....but defending it is something else entirely



I'm actually at a loss for words, this is eye opening lol



 

Poimandres

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,872
They have a better business model.

Their business model prevents me from buying a lot of their games. If the games were cheaper, I would buy more. A lot of the games Nintendo keeps at full price aren't worth that for me relative to what the competition offers. Would the added sales from people like me be enough to make up for the lost profit? Who knows, but it's certainly not a simple matter of being a "better business model".

Older products receiving discounts is common for most consumer products, not just video games. Video games actually do age directly relative to the technology used. They're not like novels, which are really immortal and unchanging. But guess what? Novels get price reductions are often on sale.

Because ...

I can tell you why Wolfenstein dropped in price.
I can tell you why Horizon dropped in price.
I can tell you why Assassin's Creed dropped in price.

And none of those answers are "because they're old".

Every game from everyone other than Nintendo drops in price. It has nothing to do with quality. Plenty of Nintendo titles have mediocre reception and remain at full price, while higher selling better received titles from others get price drops. Nintendo is alone in their approach.
 
Nov 4, 2017
2,203
this thread is mindblowing

like this is some kind of bizarro world, some form of the twilight zone

where people are actually defending practices out of their own self-interests entirely out of what can only be pure ignorance....and a depressingly misguided sense of loyalty



I'm actually at a loss for words, this is eye opening lol


This is nothing new. Nintendo has specifically been arguing against the devaluation of games, and the race to the bottom in pricing for a long time. Iwata gave a speech on it at GDC, and this was their primary criticism of the mobile industry for years.

Nintendo always has believed that games should hold their value for much longer.

And by the way, this isn't even just them that do it. I worked at a used game store for 5 years, and used copies of any first party Nintendo game held it's value too, for years.
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
That's why games drop prices, so they can sell more. Nintendo doesn't get to do that because they already have an established history of not doing it, also it doesn't hurt that there are less AAA games to compete with.



Well those people are stupid because Zelda games on console (not handheld) have been a 4+ million dollar franchise



Won't someone think of the poor banker and investment funds.
Thats up to the pulisher, if they want bigger sales number with lower income per sale. Or lower sales number with higher income per sales.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Their business model prevents me from buying a lot of their games. If the games were cheaper, I would buy more. A lot of the games Nintendo keeps at full price aren't worth that for me relative to what the competition offers. Would the added sales from people like me be enough to make up for the lost profit? Who knows, but it's certainly not a simple matter of being a "better business model".

Older products receiving discounts is common for most consumer products, not just video games. Video games actually do age directly relative to the technology used. They're not like novels, which are really immortal and unchanging. But guess what? Novels get price reductions are often on sale.



Every game from everyone other than Nintendo drops in price. It has nothing to do with quality. Plenty of Nintendo titles have mediocre reception and remain at full price, while higher selling better received titles from others get price drops. Nintendo is alone in their approach.
Who said anything about quality? I listed those three examples because they each dropped for three different reasons that juxtaposed against some Nintendo titles.
 

Hey Please

Avenger
Oct 31, 2017
22,824
Not America
Nintendo leverages their brand name and they know that they sell very well despite the lack of price drop. It essentially creates the perception of value and a long tail. Given I never grew up with Nintendo, I don't think I could ever get into them now, especially if every game I ever wanted was at full price (here in Canada....) from cradle to grave.
 

The007JiM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
506
Sometimes i compare the prices of a game that i can found also on Steam, psn or xbox and that game its always more pricey on Switch. When you have multiple consoles its pretty noticeable.

I must confess i payed that extra cost because playing that game on the go makes it worth it for me. Just i wish to see sales in the eshop more often that can compite with other stores.
 

Chindogg

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,241
East Lansing, MI
Their business model prevents me from buying a lot of their games. If the games were cheaper, I would buy more. A lot of the games Nintendo keeps at full price aren't worth that for me relative to what the competition offers. Would the added sales from people like me be enough to make up for the lost profit? Who knows, but it's certainly not a simple matter of being a "better business model".

Older products receiving discounts is common for most consumer products, not just video games. Video games actually do age directly relative to the technology used. They're not like novels, which are really immortal and unchanging. But guess what? Novels get price reductions are often on sale.



Every game from everyone other than Nintendo drops in price. It has nothing to do with quality. Plenty of Nintendo titles have mediocre reception and remain at full price, while higher selling better received titles from others get price drops. Nintendo is alone in their approach.

The price of media has increased with inflation, except for video games. They've been $50-60 for 30 years. This whole concept of "things should just go down because reasons" doesn't apply due to the fact that games have been devalued already.

This goes for any company, not just Nintendo. The companies set a price that they find the value in. If the market doesn't respond, that price is lowered. There's no moral obligation to drop a price just because someone feels like it. If the demand drops, the price will drop, much like Nintendo's lesser selling properties.

Sony's concept of just killing prices after a few months is due to the fact that their sales are incredibly front loaded and made to keep players in their ecosystem, so they can sell other services like PS+ or advertising. The games are so cheap because Sony doesn't find the value in the software itself, but the continued attachment to the Playstation brand.

Nintendo on the other hand lives and dies on it's software to sell it's hardware. Nintendo doesn't have ad algorithms or services like PS+/PS Now (yes the Nintendo internet thing is going to happen, but $20 doesn't cover nearly as much that PS+ does as a viable income stream.)

That's the whole crux of the situation: what is the fundamental value of software? For Sony, it's nothing. For Nintendo, it's the backbone of their company. Has nothing to do with being pro or anti consumer, it's just a business value practice. That's what makes these wild ass demands so annoying to see, because some people don't want their software to be devalued into insignificance.

Most older Nintendo products maintain their resale value, which is what a lot of Nintendo consumers want. It's not a defense of the company, but a defense of the value of their investment. If someone disagrees with that value, that's on them but it doesn't make the people who do see that value some kind of corporate apologist.