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What rating do you think this game will get?

  • 90+

    Votes: 98 12.2%
  • 80+

    Votes: 475 59.2%
  • 70+

    Votes: 99 12.3%
  • 60+

    Votes: 13 1.6%
  • "Garbage like Xenoblade 2"

    Votes: 117 14.6%

  • Total voters
    802
  • Poll closed .

Jotakori

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,184
Still a little unsure how this game plays out. So the different characters not only play a little differently, their stories are also separate? Does that require multiple playthroughs or do you switch between them with each chapter?
Does that mean the character you choose at the beginning is only set in stone for the first chapter? Do you select one for every chapter?
Also, is there a list for all the special abilities of each character? I think deciding which character to choose is going to be really difficult...
Their stories are separate but it's all on one playthrough that you can switch between. You can go through the characters' stories and chapters in whatever order you want, but the levels do jump between each next chapter. So unless you wanna do a ton of grinding, you'll probably need to go through everyone's chapter 1s, then go onto chapter 2s, etc.
Your main character/who you picked first is locked into your party, and you'll need to have the character of whose story you're going through in your party, as well.
I don't have a copy of full skills/abilities list on hand, but someone else might.
 

Exentryk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,235
Still a little unsure how this game plays out. So the different characters not only play a little differently, their stories are also separate? Does that require multiple playthroughs or do you switch between them with each chapter?
Does that mean the character you choose at the beginning is only set in stone for the first chapter? Do you select one for every chapter?
Also, is there a list for all the special abilities of each character? I think deciding which character to choose is going to be really difficult...

There are 8 different characters that have completely different stories and gameplay (weapons, abilities, etc). You pick one character at the start and play their story. You can then go to a different town and recruit another character and play through their story if you wish. Or you can just continue ahead with your original character's story - up to you.

The character you pick at the start will be locked to your main party (at least until you finish their story completely).

For character abilities and other min-maxing, see this - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xmeNRZSGu56_WqYIdWAdvB7Ab4/edit#gid=474472439
 

Handicapped Duck

▲ Legend ▲
Avenger
May 20, 2018
13,662
Ponds
Quick question, when I played the demo they didn't allow you to invest BP into defend to lessen enemy damage (especially bosses), was that intentional? Did I somehow overlook it? I remember in the previous demo you could invest BP into defense to the max, just like your attack or spells.

Edit: Just checked the original demo, Primrose couldn't spend BP into defense.
 
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werezompire

Zeboyd Games
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
11,372
Quick question, when I played the demo they didn't allow you to invest BP into defend to lessen enemy damage (especially bosses), was that intentional? Did I somehow overlook it? I remember in the previous demo you could invest BP into defense to the max, just like your attack or spells.

That's a character-specific special ability.
 

Egida

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,382
I don't want to click on spoilers, did we got confirmation on the lack of a unificated plot? Or are you still debating rumours?
 

Ahzrei

Member
May 21, 2018
97
I don't want to click on spoilers, did we got confirmation on the lack of a unificated plot? Or are you still debating rumours?

I believe even the rumors have no confirmed anything completely. I don't think anyone who's finished the game has provided definitive proof, etc.

However, there are multiple sources essentially claiming the same thing.
 

werezompire

Zeboyd Games
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
11,372
Okay, gotcha. Weird how they changed it like that. Still wish it was like the first demo.

Did they change it? It's Olberic's special battle ability and he was one of the playable characters in the 1st demo. Could Primrose use it in the 1st demo?

I don't want to click on spoilers, did we got confirmation on the lack of a unificated plot? Or are you still debating rumours?

Most every preview is saying that the individual character stories are all separate with some optional Tales-style skits you can watch where different characters interact with each other. There is a rumor that if you complete everyone's story that you unlock a finale that connects everyone together, but there's been no confirmation that this is not someone just making things up.
 
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Knight613

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,767
San Francisco
Any clue on if someone's doing an unboxing of the Wayfarer's Edition before Friday? I have a pre-order but honestly kind of tempted to cancel it due to the price and what's seemingly included and just get the game itself.
 

Kaz Mk II

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,635
I wonder if this game will be as divisive as Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but for completely different reasons. I'm kind of expecting it's MC score to land in the low to mid 80's (like Xenoblade).

I dont take that much stock into MC scores or anything but I could see fans being passionate about which one is the best "switch RPG" or something similar. Depending on how most people feel about the main party barely interacting with one another I could see this game having some vocal detractors. Of course I havent played it to know it's overall quality as a game but it just feels like it's heading that way to me.
 

Munti

Member
Oct 26, 2017
891
I played the demo yesterday and loved it a lot! It's very charming and very easy to lose yourself in this world.

I like the simple setting and I dig the game is more adventure-centric then story-centric. OT reminds me a lot of Pen&Paper games or these old fantasy books where you have to switch between pages depending which decisions you do.
 

Apenheul

Member
Oct 27, 2017
620
The Netherlands
Their stories are separate but it's all on one playthrough that you can switch between. You can go through the characters' stories and chapters in whatever order you want, but the levels do jump between each next chapter. So unless you wanna do a ton of grinding, you'll probably need to go through everyone's chapter 1s, then go onto chapter 2s, etc.
That's good to know, I'm okay with going through each character's chapter one first before making the choice which characters to continue playing with and which to leave behind.
 

Deleted member 1589

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
8,576
Amazon update:

USA #1
Japan #1
France #1
Spain #1
Australia #2
UK #6
Italy #8
Germany #11
Sold out Canada

Could this be a multi-million seller? Sure smells like it's headed that way.
Maybe, but 1, 2 million is my guess.

Would be absolutely ecstatic if it sells more than that though. Was a bit worried about future SE JRPG (that is not FF or Dragonquest) game development after Lost Sphear and Setsuna.
 

Grailly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
402
Switzerland
Thanks. That'd be great and in line with what we could actually expect.
I don't know if I would prefer the stories to link up or not. It would have to be a very weird and forced plot twist for all the characters to end up in the same story line, but at the same time it would be nice to see all your characters interacting
 

Plum

Member
May 31, 2018
17,298
That french reviewer never explicitly denied the existence of an overarching story,, so I don't know where people are getting that idea from.

It does sound like the game's going to be a disappointment all around, though. I'll be keeping my preorder because I've paid most of it of but, damn, it's a bit disheartening to be honest.
 
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Grailly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
402
Switzerland
That french reviewer never explicitly denied the existence of a 'Chapter 5' sort of deal, so I don't know where people are getting that idea from.

It does sound like the game's going to be a disappointment all around, though. I'll be keeping my preorder because I've paid most of it of but, damn, it's a bit disheartening to be honest.
It's an enjoyable and comfortable game, it's just not a masterpiece, not like those first few previews were trying to tell us at least
 

Plum

Member
May 31, 2018
17,298
It's an enjoyable and comfortable game, it's just not a masterpiece, not like those first few previews were trying to tell us at least

I know that, but I feel that the game's going to be highly divisive with a lean towards the lower end of the spectrum; it really doesn't seem like the kind of game right now that's going to get even decently high reviews. We'll see, though.
 

Zedark

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,719
The Netherlands
Amazon update:

USA #1
Japan #1
France #1
Spain #1
Australia #2
UK #6
Italy #8
Germany #11
Sold out Canada

Could this be a multi-million seller? Sure smells like it's headed that way.
Depends on the extent to which you see it being a multi-million seller. If you're thinking of 3M or more, then that's going to be very, very hard, but I think it could definitely reach 2 million lifetime, which is an absolutely massive achievement for any JRPG not named Pokémon, Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts.
 

Grailly

Member
Oct 27, 2017
402
Switzerland
I know that, but I feel that the game's going to be highly divisive with a lean towards the lower end of the spectrum; it really doesn't seem like the kind of game right now that's going to get even decently high reviews. We'll see, though.
I never know how much I'm aloud to say before the review embargo is up, but I think it'll do fine review wise
 

Plum

Member
May 31, 2018
17,298
What kind of MC score are you expecting?

Right now? Mid 70s, most likely. Right now it doesn't seem like many outlets outside of the few Nintendo faithful will give it much higher than 85-or-so, and some will likely give it a lot lower. That's also taking into account the "modern game review" scoring scale, on my personal scale that would still be pretty good.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,529
I know that, but I feel that the game's going to be highly divisive with a lean towards the lower end of the spectrum; it really doesn't seem like the kind of game right now that's going to get even decently high reviews. We'll see, though.

Almost all of the previews so far have been positive-to-glowing. It has a lot of divisive aspects, so I'd never expect something too high (sadly, not all reviewers are fans of pixel art, turn-based games, random encounters, etc., or have '90s nostalgia), but I don't think upper-80s would be impossible.

Completely possible it'll be lower, though, but judging from the demos, I'll not love the game any less. People on this forum are just having a lot of difficulty separating their structural expectations from the reality of the game and its marketing.

I'm not going to read or be disappointed by some random French review who's disreputable enough to break embargo, especially when there's already a contradictory rumor—by the by, can we stop posting unmarked spoiler impressions? Some people don't want to read those.
 

Plum

Member
May 31, 2018
17,298
Almost all of the previews so far have been positive-to-glowing. It has a lot of divisive aspects, so I'd never expect something too high (sadly, not all reviewers are fans of pixel art, turn-based games, random encounters, etc., or have '90s nostalgia), but I don't think upper-80s would be impossible.

Completely possible it'll be lower, though, but judging from the demos, I'll not love the game any less. People on this forum are just having a lot of difficulty separating their structural expectations from the reality of the game and its marketing.

I'm not going to read or be disappointed by some random French review who's disreputable enough to break embargo, especially when there's already a contradictory rumor—by the by, can we stop posting unmarked spoiler impressions? Some people don't want to read those.

Oh, yeah, I've edited the original post to something more vague. My bad!

To be honest, for me, I don't have many misplaced structural expectations because I've been in with the idea of "8 seperate stories" from the beginning; my worries come from how well-told those stories will be and how enjoyable the gameplay itself is. I'm hoping to be proven wrong, but right now it's hard to be 100% enthused on the game.
 

Fraxin

Member
Oct 28, 2017
864
Maybe, but 1, 2 million is my guess.

Would be absolutely ecstatic if it sells more than that though. Was a bit worried about future SE JRPG (that is not FF or Dragonquest) game development after Lost Sphear and Setsuna.

Dragon Quest is only extremely successful in Japan. Reaching 2 million overseas would be a breakthrough for the series.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
25,965
Tbilisi, Georgia
Right now? Mid 70s, most likely. Right now it doesn't seem like many outlets outside of the few Nintendo faithful will give it much higher than 85-or-so, and some will likely give it a lot lower. That's also taking into account the "modern game review" scoring scale, on my personal scale that would still be pretty good.
I don't think the divisive aspects are any more detrimental than what Xenoblade 2 had, so my prediction is low 80s.

High 70s at the absolute lowest.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,529
Oh, yeah, I've edited the original post to something more vague. My bad!

To be honest, for me, I don't have many misplaced structural expectations because I've been in with the idea of "8 seperate stories" from the beginning; my worries come from how well-told those stories will be and how enjoyable the gameplay itself is. I'm hoping to be proven wrong, but right now it's hard to be 100% enthused on the game.

Gameplay is one area I have absolutely no concerns. From what I've heard, it sounds like one of the most engaging turn-based JRPGs that's challenging for all the right reasons, possessing of a great amount of customizability, and augmented by the already deeply rewarding path actions.

As for the stories, I see no reason to expect anything lower quality than we've gotten in the Prologues, which I've adored for their tonal range and universal charm. It's a rarity to see a JRPG delve into themes as dark as Primrose's prologue in such a satisfying and respectful way, so the rest of the game having potential for more of that is extremely exciting.

Seriously—Helgenish is one of the most despicable and loathsome antagonists in video gaming, all achieved in about a half hour, through dense dialogue and realistically subtle characterization.
 

Egida

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,382
I don't know if I would prefer the stories to link up or not. It would have to be a very weird and forced plot twist for all the characters to end up in the same story line, but at the same time it would be nice to see all your characters interacting
I think the bolded is the gist of it. I don't care as much as having an overall plot but the interaction it would bring between the characters.
 

Jabberwocky

Member
Feb 24, 2018
42
After reading this thread i'm completely disappointed in people's ability to try something new and challenge themselves with something that could be a new and interesting way to tell stories.

Just months ago there was a thread on here that talked about JRPG's always ending with the heroes fighting a 'God' or 'Almighty' type final boss.

I don't see what is so disappointing in a JRPG attempting to tell some more personal stories if they're done well. For me this game deserves the chance to carve out its ow path, whether is pays off or not is the great question but people writing the game off if it doesn't all intertwine is just so unfortunately closed minded IMO.
 

Fishsnot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,967
Japan
After reading this thread i'm completely disappointed in people's ability to try something new and challenge themselves with something that could be a new and interesting way to tell stories.

Just months ago there was a thread on here that talked about JRPG's always ending with the heroes fighting a 'God' or 'Almighty' type final boss.

I don't see what is so disappointing in a JRPG attempting to tell some more personal stories if they're done well. For me this game deserves the chance to carve out its ow path, whether is pays off or not is the great question but people writing the game off if it doesn't all intertwine is just so unfortunately closed minded IMO.
And it's all because a misquote about being an evolved progression from FF6.
From there reviewers immediately started making direct comparisons and then it snowballed out of control.
If only that bloody misquote never existed none of this would have been an issue!
 
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Wispmetas

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,546
After reading this thread i'm completely disappointed in people's ability to try something new and challenge themselves with something that could be a new and interesting way to tell stories.

Just months ago there was a thread on here that talked about JRPG's always ending with the heroes fighting a 'God' or 'Almighty' type final boss.

I don't see what is so disappointing in a JRPG attempting to tell some more personal stories if they're done well. For me this game deserves the chance to carve out its ow path, whether is pays off or not is the great question but people writing the game off if it doesn't all intertwine is just so unfortunately closed minded IMO.
Just because the party interacts with one another doesn't mean the game would have to have the usual "heroes against God" final boss... What people are criticizing, and I believe it is valid criticism, is that you're going into each individual story with a party of other characters that are totally ignored, if they are supposed to be together at all times during a plotline (since they fight and walk around together in plot important places) the game should not act like they are not there. It sounds as Jason said in his Preview at kotaku, disorienting.

And if you're fine with that and can separate gameplay from the story, good for you, but for some people (like me) it just sounds extremely jarring and like something I personally won't enjoy much.

But as I have said before, I'm willing to try it, and really hope I can get over it and enjoy the game for what it is.
 

Fishsnot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,967
Japan
On a slightly more positive note, I must say GODDAMN this final battle music is amazing.
Don't really see it as a spoiler as it's only music, but sweet Jesus it sounds wonderful!



Sounds like music to an epic boss fight to me!
This games deserves so many awards for this OST!
 
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jorgejjvr

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
8,423
My biggest fear, is that this will simply turn out to be a worse version of the bravely games

From playing both octopath demos, and both bravely games

+ both games have great music

+ bravely games have a better art style (I'm not nostalgic for the octo one)

+ bravely games have a coherent story, with characters that actually interact with each other

+ the combat is a lot better in the bravely games. The BP is similar to the Brave system, but that also had the default system. It just seemed way more fleshed out, with way more depth, and it allowed for some great boss battles. Didn't really get boring, and octopath already feels repetitive

+ QOL. Things like a slider to control enemy encounters to very low or high, or remove them all together to explore. They are present on the bravely games, not on octo

Etc

Makes me want bravely third on switch