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lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is Nintendo still blocking people from esports licenses in Japan? Its going to be weird with the new game being so huge but also blocked from having a prize pool
 

MistaTwo

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Nice! Great to see an event in Fukuoka as well. Absolutely amazing city.
 

Rice Eater

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You can't gamble in Japan, and fighting game tournaments are considered gambling there, so you can't bet money on it by paying the entry.

That's true, but what I still don't understand is that they also couldn't charge a venue fee either. I think it was explained that they could only deliver the pay outs that they did because it was completely free to enter with no fee of any kind. All people had to do was sign up.

So that one is still a mystery to me.
 

Rice Eater

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yep. No idea how it works with international players either.

Capcom is throwing a big SFV toruney at TGS. It's apart of the Capcom Pro Tour as a Premier event, but it has a much larger prize than any other Premier event(90k vs 15k).

If a amateur Japanese player or foreigner finishes in the top 8(in the money) then they will be granted a JESU pro license and able to accept the prize from that tournament. So no one is locked out. I assume EVO will probably do the same if companies get involved over there and I'm pretty sure they will.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/sfv/esports/cptjp2018/en/
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Capcom is throwing a big SFV toruney at TGS. It's apart of the Capcom Pro Tour as a Premier event, but it has a much larger prize than any other Premier event(90k vs 15k).

If a amateur Japanese player or foreigner finishes in the top 8(in the money) then they will be granted a JESU pro license and able to accept the prize from that tournament. So no one is locked out. I assume EVO will probably do the same if companies get involved over there and I'm pretty sure they will.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/sfv/esports/cptjp2018/en/

Imagine getting your worst possible bracket and finishing just outside top8 to be told you're not good enough
 

chirt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cool city, used to live there. Wish I could make it to evo but I'll be in Tokyo later in the year. Can't afford two Japan trips.
 

Mark H

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you could highlight my post, right click it and search. I shouldn't have to do this for you but that's the first result.

"That means that pro Street Fighter, Tekken and Puyo Puyo Tetris players can finally win some money. But Nintendo of Japan has blocked Smash Bros. from being a part of this program."
That doesn't sound like a very good source, just ESPN interviewer extrapolating his views on the situation.
From what I've seen and read of the Japanese esports pro licensing, it's more that the software manufacturers put their hands up to say they want their games to be a part of it, and Nintendo just hasn't done that with their software (so it's not about actively "blocking" anything).
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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That doesn't sound like a very good source, just ESPN interviewer extrapolating his views on the situation.
From what I've seen and read of the Japanese esports pro licensing, it's more that the software manufacturers put their hands up to say they want their games to be a part of it, and Nintendo just hasn't done that with their software (so it's not about actively "blocking" anything).

hmm, maybe not directly blocked rather not authorizing it then, but Sakurai seems pretty certain of it in the WaPo Interview: "The philosophy behind them doesn't go in line with Nintendo's philosophy in that some of these players are playing for the prize money," Sakurai said. "It comes to a point where they're playing the game for the money, and I feel that kind of direction doesn't coincide with Nintendo's view of what games should be." As well as Reggie stating prize money is how other people are doing it and theyd rather honor the game whatever that means.
 

Mark H

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hmm, maybe not directly blocked rather not authorizing it then, but Sakurai seems pretty certain of it in the WaPo Interview: "The philosophy behind them doesn't go in line with Nintendo's philosophy in that some of these players are playing for the prize money," Sakurai said. "It comes to a point where they're playing the game for the money, and I feel that kind of direction doesn't coincide with Nintendo's view of what games should be." As well as Reggie stating prize money is how other people are doing it and theyd rather honor the game whatever that means.
Well I won't be surprised if they don't want to take any active part in it, especially when the initiative was only started back in Feb this year.
There's really not many games that can issue pro licenses atm, hopefully it gets more active so there can be more pro level tournaments like Evo Japan.
 
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hmm, maybe not directly blocked rather not authorizing it then, but Sakurai seems pretty certain of it in the WaPo Interview: "The philosophy behind them doesn't go in line with Nintendo's philosophy in that some of these players are playing for the prize money," Sakurai said. "It comes to a point where they're playing the game for the money, and I feel that kind of direction doesn't coincide with Nintendo's view of what games should be." As well as Reggie stating prize money is how other people are doing it and theyd rather honor the game whatever that means.
All this is just telling me they're gonna continue not funding pots for prize money, not that they're actively blocking smash players from getting esports licenses.
 

Jermare

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February is gonna be huge for Smash Ultimate. Genesis 6 at the beginning of the month and then EVO Japan 2 weeks later.
 

PachaelD

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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad it's returning - it was fun to watch online. Looking at MMCafe's discussion on what went wrong finances wide and what not - I'm not sure as there should be a number of either large gaming or advertisement companies that can pick up the slack.
 

Lucumo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Didn't watch since the line-up was pretty lackluster. The side tournaments were good and I watched some of those (was there Initial D in it or was it a separate thing because I really can't find it anymore...or I'm just merging tournaments together).
 

thetrin

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's a bit of a pain that they're moving to Fukuoka for physical travel reasons, but I can't hate. Fukuoka is an awesome city. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a much better venue.

Tokyo doesn't have a lot of great choices for venues.
 

MarkMan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Any way of telling us the general period when the Japan lineup gets announced?

If you look at prior years, we announced the Evo Japan 2018 lineup at the main Evo event in Las Vegas. We're hoping to announce more details around then as well.

It's a bit of a pain that they're moving to Fukuoka for physical travel reasons, but I can't hate. Fukuoka is an awesome city. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a much better venue.

Tokyo doesn't have a lot of great choices for venues.

The timing is just bad, unfortunately. Most of the major Tokyo venue options are not available due to the Tokyo 2020 Olympics -- it's not that they aren't available to book, it's they are undergoing construction to be ready in time for the Summer Olympics. :(
 

Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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I can't wait. I love Fukuoka. Amazing food, people, and entertainment. I'll definitely be hitting it up. Sunshine city this year was ok, but I was not impressed by the venue, much less having to go to a completely different part of the city for finals. Hope they choose a place near Tenjin for the event though.

Any city that has a freaking RAMEN STADIUM has to be perfect. Will probably do a Fukuoka city write up/guide before the event so people got some ideas what to do there.
 

thetrin

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If you look at prior years, we announced the Evo Japan 2018 lineup at the main Evo event in Las Vegas. We're hoping to announce more details around then as well.



The timing is just bad, unfortunately. Most of the major Tokyo venue options are not available due to the Tokyo 2020 Olympics -- it's not that they aren't available to book, it's they are undergoing construction to be ready in time for the Summer Olympics. :(
I have a feeling Fukuoka will be a better city for EVO anyway. I'd love to be able to go myself.