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hodayathink

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It probably is the bottom baseline for the MCu. It's still a profitable property for them though and one that they already have cast for and a lot of the work that goes into building franchises done. Pair that with Marvel liking to make 3 films for their solo acts and I dont see why they wouldn't make one.

Keep the budget low, fill out a schedule, and get another smaller scale profitable film. They will make new properties as well but those take longer to get going than something like an Ant-Man 3 would.

If we include the rumored Eternals movie, you could fill out the next 3 years of Marvel movies with just sequels to existing movies or announced/heavily rumored movies without Ant-Man 3 (2020: Guardians 3, Strange 2, Black Widow and 2021: Eternals, Thor 4, Far From Home 2/Homecoming 3 as long as the Sony deal is still in place). Yes, it takes a while for a new idea, but you'd probably be looking at mid 2022 before you'd have to put it out (I didn't mention Black Panther 2, which would probably be your first 2022 movie, whether that's in February or in April/May). You can fill the schedule without Ant-Man 3 just fine.
 
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The fact this made the same OW as Strange even though Scott wasn't in IW is impressive plus Marvel is banking on Scott's A4 appearance to be a factor.
Plus Strange 2 is getting a sequel is locked so you can't say Marvel is like Antman 3? i dunno. Again, it's likely they are gonna do a Homecoming and add someone else.

Doctor Strange opened to $85M.
 

TI92

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Oooo I can't wait to see sorry to bother you next weekend if it comes here
 

guek

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It probably is the bottom baseline for the MCu. It's still a profitable property for them though and one that they already have cast for and a lot of the work that goes into building franchises done. Pair that with Marvel liking to make 3 films for their solo acts and I dont see why they wouldn't make one.

Keep the budget low, fill out a schedule, and get another smaller scale profitable film. They will make new properties as well but those take longer to get going than something like an Ant-Man 3 would.
It's also not like they're making an Ant-Man movie every year. The last one was in 2015. AM3 being in 2021 and closing out the trilogy sounds about right.
 

Rvaan

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Same level I mean.


To be fair, Duncan Jones did Moon and Warcraft... Yeah what fuck happened there?
Duncan Jones can't write an original movie script? Jones co-wrote Mute. Moon was written based of a story of his but written by Nathan Parker. Warcraft was based the lore of the games.
 

Ashhong

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I'm not sure why Ant-Man would get a particularly substantial bump from a movie it's largely unrelated to. You're not gonna get an automatic boost just by releasing in close proximity to another movie. The post-Avengers sequels (particularly Iron Man 3) got huge boosts because they followed up on characters they loved from Avengers. Ant-Man 1 didn't get shit from Ultron because the two were 100% unrelated.

The Ant-Man films have been more or less separate from the MCU beyond passing references in those films, and Civil War. And when Scott Lang's biggest connection to the rest of the MCU is being Giant Man briefly in a the airport fight with a dozen other higher profile heroes, there's not too much to gain from that either.

Also, compared to Dr. Strange (and even more so, Guardians), Ant-Man has comparatively smaller appeal, so I'm not sure why coming under Strange is particularly notable. Regardless, it's showing good growth, so obviously things are looking up.

Ant-Man is easily the most niche MCU sub-series and it's going to stay comparatively niche until the characters have much more significance to the universe. Strange is gonna get a huge boost from Infinity War for his inevitable sequel, and if Ant-Man can end up being important to A4, maybe it can finally break out into numbers comparable to the others. But for now it's behaving more like a well-made super hero movie featuring a B-list hero that's not part of the Avengers... because that's what it is, lol.
I think Ant Man 1s success and the suggest of IW should have pushed it over at least the origin story of a dude nobody has ever heard of. I don't know why this sequel has less appeal than Dr Strange (pre-movie). I don't follow this stuff much but I definitely read a large number of posts in previous threads predicting a big boost to AM2 because of IW. I believed those posts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

OrangeAtlas

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Yep, $75-85 mill is about what I expected, hell, I'm one of the biggest MCU fans on this site (look at my avi) but I thought the people who were expecting $100 mill were being ridiculous
It's coming in the middle of a packed summer blockbuster season, and didn't seem to be required MCU watching besides being the first movie released after IW
There just was little hype around the movie, but it will still make a decent amount of money
Still excited as hell to see it later this week

I highly doubt that.

Have you seen this site?
 

OrangeAtlas

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Ant-Man and the Wasp are getting a 3rd movie (with Hank completing his arc into full-on villainy), a role as part of the Avengers, and ride at a Disneyland park.

Book it.

If you can't bother to make Ant-Man work, you might as well give up on all the even lesser known and more fantastical characters people are hoping get their own films.

I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Bug's Life style attraction at one of their parks for Ant-Man where they just make a bunch of oversized stuff and you wander around feeling really small.
 

Cuburger

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I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Bug's Life style attraction at one of their parks for Ant-Man where they just make a bunch of oversized stuff and you wander around feeling really small.
I was thinking more like a ride that is in something like Hank's Quantum ship where you fly through locations in different sizes, of course getting to fly along side mini and giant Scott and Hope and ants. Then by the end there is a trippy sequence shrinking down to the Quantum Realm.
 

OrangeAtlas

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I was thinking more like a ride that is in something like Hank's Quantum ship where you fly through locations in different sizes, of course getting to fly along side mini and giant Scott and Hope and ants. Then by the end there is a trippy sequence shrinking down to the Quantum Realm.

You've clearly put more thought into this than I have, I'd hire you.

I'll only accept that ride if they make giant animatronics of Ant-Man and the Wasp that tower over you to help sell the scale.

Basically I want nerdy Burning Man.
 

Schlorgan

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Wiped

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Where's that poster who was telling me Incredibles 2 wouldn't catch Black Panther? Incredibles doesn't open in Europe until next weekend and will surely do 500mil+ here. It will be close. Finding Dory did 1.2billion
 

luca

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It just now occurred to me that Doctor Strange had a stronger opening weekend than Ant-Man and the Wasp. Oh well, I hope it'll still do $600m ww when all is said and done.
 

berzeli

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How strong do we think that OS for Incredibles 2 will end up being?
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It hasn't opened in central Europe where its predecessor made the most international money, but the int. market has changed a lot since 2004. It did open this week in France where it became the 2nd top opener for Pixar (after Finding Nemo) on a very good $9.9M ($10.6M with previews)*.
So now some of it will come down to what competition it will face in the markets it has left, and I'm far too lazy to bother going through them all and giving a detailed overview. I'm not sure we'll get the same dom./int. split as we got with the first one since its domestic performance has been great, but so far I think it has opened above (and well above in several cases) the first one in all markets.


*minor digression that is not directly with you question; international numbers on Box Office Mojo seems to be update continually with exchange rates so I'm relying on ScreenDaily to be accurate with their assertion rather than relying on the BOM numbers which would put I2 further down on top openers.
 

Schlorgan

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I remember predicting a while ago that Incredibles 2 would end up pretty evenly split between Dom/OS and would barely pass $1b if it did at all and I'll feel real bad if that's what happens (even though that'd still be a huge increase over the first movie).
 
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berzeli

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I remember predicting a while ago that Incredibles 2 would end up pretty evenly split between Dom/OS and would barely pass $1b if it did at all and I'll feel real bad if that's what happens (even though that'd still be a huge increase over the first movie).
A fairly even split would mean $1.2-1.4B, so that wouldn't be so bad.

It's just a tad hard to guesstimate what it has left since the top animation earner in something like the UK usually tops out at $50-60M, but they liked Toy Story 3 to the tune of $100+M. Now if I were to put in effort and do maths and other dark arcane arts I could probably come up with a reasonable number but that would require effort and as I stated above I'm lazy.
 

Rvaan

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A fairly even split would mean $1.2-1.4B, so that wouldn't be so bad.

It's just a tad hard to guesstimate what it has left since the top animation earner in something like the UK usually tops out at $50-60M, but they liked Toy Story 3 to the tune of $100+M. Now if I were to put in effort and do maths and other dark arcane arts I could probably come up with a reasonable number but that would require effort and as I stated above I'm lazy.
What if I told you that there was a white guy on a horse in this?
 

Scuffed

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Everything is just too close together. It would be good if it they finally started to spread shit out. I mean putting your own shit up against Incredibles 2 is crazy imo.
 

berzeli

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Okay, so looking at I2 and the UK specifically, Hotel Transylvania 3 opens two weeks after, that is probably going to hurt its legs a bit.

What if I told you that there was a white guy on a horse in this?
Is he really pale and indie looking though? (No I'm still not gonna put in too much effort)
Everything is just too close together. It would be good if it they finally started to spread shit out. I mean putting your own shit up against Incredibles 2 is crazy imo.
Good local fare almost always "overperforms" compared to imported Hollywood fare when it comes to Europe, so it's the other way around.
Actually, good is not really a requirement, this is the top earner of the year so far in France (beating even Infinity War by a hair):
 

Ignatz Mouse

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I'm not sure why Ant-Man would get a particularly substantial bump from a movie it's largely unrelated to. You're not gonna get an automatic boost just by releasing in close proximity to another movie. The post-Avengers sequels (particularly Iron Man 3) got huge boosts because they followed up on characters they loved from Avengers. Ant-Man 1 didn't get shit from Ultron because the two were 100% unrelated.


People had been talking about MCU being a peak hype levels, and that would boost AMatW, and Captain Marvel.

I'm with you, but it had been said a lot, although more applied to Captain Marvel.
 

nuggetgamer52

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Was expecting Ant-Man to do a little better, but not surprised by the numbers. Didn't see much hype for it.
Don't know what they were expecting from Sicario, first one was critically acclaimed yeah, but not a huge money maker.
 

NealMcCauley

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Saw a preview for Disney's Nutcracker in Ant Man yesterday. When it was over someone said "What?" in a way that made everyone chuckle.
 

DStubbs

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The movie I felt did reasonable well, Ant Man just has a lower ceiling compared to other MCU members. Like there's only so much you can do with the character. Still a really fun flick and would totally be down for another.
 
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We are a bit more than half way through the year. Here's my report card for the 2018 releases that I have seen to date:

Paddington 2: A-
Black Panther: A-
Infinity War: B+
Incredibles: B+
Game Night: B+
Deadpool 2: B
A Quiet Place: B
Isle of Dogs: B
Ant-Man and the Wasp: B-
Solo: C+
Hotel Artemis: C
Ready Player One: C
Sicario 2: D
Peter Rabbit: D

Tied ranks are generally listed in the order that I would rank them within said category. I guess that Hotel Artemis has my award for lowest grossing film that I caught in theatres this year. That will probably change as we move out of blockbuster season. I typically see a film every second Friday, not counting some stuff I go with my daughter to, and I have been spending (and sometimes wasting) those slots on bigger films.

I am hoping to see Sorry to Bother You this Friday and Mission Impossible 6 later this month. I have a 4 year old, so there is some chance that I will be stuck seeing Hotel Transylvania 3 as well.
 

Sulik2

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I hope Ant-man has some good legs. Movie was hilarious and a nice small scale.

Same level I mean.

To be fair, Duncan Jones did Moon and Warcraft... Yeah what fuck happened there?

Warcraft was destroyed by exec meddling from what all the rumors indicate and would have at least been a decent movie before the last minute editing of its runtime.
 

RolandGunner

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We are a bit more than half way through the year. Here's my report card for the 2018 releases that I have seen to date:

Sicario 2: D

Saw Sicario 2 last night and even with the middling reviews it was still a huge letdown. None of the moral complexity of the first film carried over. Also the cinematography was flat and un-interesting aside from a few decent panorama shots of the plains in Mexico. Which is terrible since Sollima had some great stuff in Gamorra with a much smaller budget. It was like a C-grade Clear and Present Danger.
 

Seeya

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This thread is reminding of when we were coming up on the Deadpool 2, Solo, infinity War, etc crowding and everyone was jumping to defend sub par results. You can always do better and not crowding you release schedule shouldn't be ignored just because things like I2 still made money
 

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I was excited for Ant-Man and Wasp a few months ago, but then I sat through that shitty trailer like 20 times and now I can't be bothered to go see it. Same thing is almost definitely going to happen to me with Mission Impossible. I get less hyped every time I see that thing.
 

Rvaan

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I was excited for Ant-Man and Wasp a few months ago, but then I sat through that shitty trailer like 20 times and now I can't be bothered to go see it. Same thing is almost definitely going to happen to me with Mission Impossible. I get less hyped every time I see that thing.
But you can't fight the friction... :(
 
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