You seem childish enough to demand all items be turned on though. You all seem incredibly condescending to anyone who doesn't play the game exactly like you.
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SSB was designed to be a party game, but how many people actually play it as Sakurai intended?
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Your mention of smash as a spectator sport reminded me of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxVDOc-oV8
I'd say competitive smash has a fair bit going for it in terms of being spectator friendly.
Lol You're not competitive, yet you like to play in a competitive manner? Are you serious? This conversation is done.
People can prefer to play itemless 1v1s and still not be serious about their play.
Umm.
Some people find it fun to play 1v1 with no items casually.
Nothing wrong with that.
Party game, 100%. The competitive aspect is not our thing. Throw in all the items and let chaos reign!
Is it over because you say it is, or is it over because you don't have anything worthwhile to say instead of the disingenuous bullshit you've already been prattling on about? And yes, I like 1v1s. I've never played in a tournament, and I rarely play online, so no, I would not consider myself a competitive player. Does that make sense to you, or are you too busy making an ass of yourself?
Where's the irony in preferring a specific mode of play while playing around?
Does playing in this specific fashion, casually, somehow diminish the fun being had?
1v1 itemless is not inherently linked to hyper competitive play.
I play it only as a party game. No interest in competitive stuff. Disabling items would be silly.
But if people like it, more power to them. It's just a mode, they exist to give options for a reason.
But if people like it, more power to them. It's just a mode, they exist to give options for a reason.
I just don't like watching no item smash dude, not sure what else to tell you lol, not that you can hear it up on that high horse anyway. I like competitive SF more, I find it more interesting visualy, and the only time I enjoy watching smash is when there are cheap items everywhere and shit is going nuts. Understanding high level play doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to enjoy watching it.
Not at all. However, I'm finding it a bit peculiar to die on a hill about competitive Smash, yet the way you play the game is exactly how competitive smash is played. Like literally. Casuals can play any way they want, but obviously Sakurai would prefer you play with items on, multiple people, blah, blah.
Then why take issue with how I choose to play when it isn't a problem? Sakurai prefers that people have fun, and gave us the tools to define our fun in-game.
Play with items on, any stage, jumping from character to character. It is definitely a Party game for my friends.
When I am with people that are more casual it's items on, low stock like 3 or time. High stock can take entirely too long to finish. Items are critical to my experience. Smash with no items is 100% unfun to me. The items are what's sets SSB apart from other fighting games. If items are off I'd rather play Street Fighter or Soul Cal.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. The idea that you have to know the extreme tech intricacies of a game in order to find it "hype" is ridiculous. But if that ever was actually the case, then yes it would be terrible for spectators.
You don't have to, but knowing how difficult or rare something is to pull off is a big draw in a game with a less flashy presentation than traditional fighters.
Its a game where very quick and subtle inputs can be super impressive, but to the average person an autocombo in DBFZ is going to look cooler. Being an analog rather than digitally controlled fighter are what make it so intricate in a less obvious way.
I think its kind of evident when half the rest of the FGC seems to complain about smash not being a fighting game, or that its too boring to watch, but yet it can still pull record viewership because it is entertaining to watch if you do understand whats happening and whats at stake.
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I can't play Smash in a competitive sense. I've given it a try (though, admittedly, not a lengthy chance) and I just can't do it. It feels too loosey goosey in movement and is missing so many aspects of the game when you turn things off and limit the arenas. I did think tripping in Brawl was one of the dumbest things to ever do, though, because while it's a party game and we play it that way there is still some competition to it and tripping to randomly completely screw what you were trying to do was more frustrating than amusing.
Oh, I knew. I just wanted to use your post as a hook to make a remark on smash as a spectator sport.
I should have been a bit more clear.
As I said before I believe Sakurai is all about inclusivity in his games, which I think is part of why smash is as customizable as it is. I'm sure he's fine with how people are playing the game as long as they're having fun.
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I still play it regularly with the missus, it's the only fighting game (or even versus game) she enjoys. The configuration we use is:
- Items on, with a few items switched off: smoke balls because they are boring, heart containers because they are overpowered. Notably we play with Smash Balls, homerun bats, and both hammers on (although I'm considering switching the golden hammer off).
- A small handful (no more than 3-4) are switched off because you fight the stage more than the other player. Again to note, we have Pac-Land on.
- Items on, with a few items switched off: smoke balls because they are boring, heart containers because they are overpowered. Notably we play with Smash Balls, homerun bats, and both hammers on (although I'm considering switching the golden hammer off).
- A small handful (no more than 3-4) are switched off because you fight the stage more than the other player. Again to note, we have Pac-Land on.
It's literally only people like him. Even competitive players play and enjoy crazy for-fun matches. It's the "it's a PARTY game and I AM playing it the correct way" crowd the ones that look down on how other people play SSB.
In my experience I can only bust SSB out as a party game among people who are already framilliar with gaming. Even then sometimes it's not fun for some of them. They don't really seem to get it. And trying to play with non gamers is very iffy. Might play a round or two but it doesn't seem to keep their attention.
So yeah, I've never considered it a party game.
So yeah, I've never considered it a party game.
I definitely have items on almost all the time and play as a party. Especially when I was younger. I couldn't care less about the competitive aspects of the game. But that's just me. Items are fun to me. But if someone wants items off then of course I'll gladly go with it.
I do love watching the tournaments though.
I do love watching the tournaments though.
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Yee of little faith! I think it is among the most watched fighting games (ranked second at EVO 2016) and as far as I can tell interest has only increased since then. All Nintendo would need to do is ship a million units of an HD switch version of Melee to make bank, but they could make a lot more building a competitive title designed for that market. I agree the casual market will always be bigger (the Wii proved that), but a market is a market and Nintendo have the capital to expand and make their most hardcore fans replace all of it.
EVO itself is not remotely popular so being the second most popular there does not make you popular.
Yes, Nintendo could make SSB more competitive and cater to that market. But in doing so, they'd likely lose the casual market. SSBM's success is a fluke and it wasn't designed to be a competitive game. When you design to be competitive, you make things less fun for the casual player and that's way too big of a risk for a company like Nintendo that only makes casual games.
Even with house rules and stuff that limited the stages, items, stock, etc it was always a party game for me and my friends. We played to win still and held quasi-tournaments with elimination rounds to crown one of us as the ultimate smash fighter, but it was still done so as a party game and not some serious fighting game. Rarely would we drop all items and only do omega stages. The random chance was always part of the fun.
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This could be avoided with strategic marketing or by releasing competitive smash as DLC or add-on feature. They could chuck it in the corner of the menus somewhere and call it 'Melee Mode', and market it among the competitive community.
For me, it depends on who's there. If it's a bunch of people, we might go for the party fame side of it, especially if they have less experience. If there's more experienced players, we'll go more competitive.
This thread went how I guessed it would. I had to repost this several times in last nights Smash thread alone:
I thought you were done with Smash because Ryu's got SF inputs and shit.
...but keep acting like you know who we are and how we play, kids. I'll never get why some of you even care. It's the dumbest dick waving argument in video games. "Eeeeuuuggh, I assume that you don't play Smash the way I like! I've decided that Sakurai intended the game be played the way I like!" Like, for real? Didn't we collectively establish like TEN YEARS AGO that Smash is best played the way you and your friends like to play it? Why would it be any other way?
a classic SliceSabre shitpost
I thought you were done with Smash because Ryu's got SF inputs and shit.
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That's how I used to play the original and Melee. Whenever I'd get together with my cousins, we used to do battle royales, and it was mainly about the laughs. When fans started to turn Super Smash into something "serious," I lost interest. For stuff like that I have Street Fighter and what not.
I just, i dunno. I play. I'm aware that i'm not exactly the target audience for this game (employed, non-offensive body odor), and i pick the characters on howe they look. but damn if it isn't funny to play with the guys on a drunk evening.
My friends and I all do.
8 player smash
All the items
Timed 2 mins every match
Random levels
It's far more fun that way, all 8 people have a blast instead of just the two best players
8 player smash
All the items
Timed 2 mins every match
Random levels
It's far more fun that way, all 8 people have a blast instead of just the two best players