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Asian ERA |OT| We don't AGE
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I found an excellent channel about Asians on youtube. They have so few subscribers! Not even 800, but they get decent amount of views. They talk about a wide variety of topics and sets up excellent discussions!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7_vO81MUvzncixr3TqbX9g
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7_vO81MUvzncixr3TqbX9g
Getting rid of affirmative action won't help Asians btw, not when it's under the GOP.
Tax rate decrease will only fuck over most professional Asian Americans whose families aren't multimillionaires in the end (no social safety nets, poorer public education, etc).
Their immigration policy fucks over our relatives and other Asians, keeping our population low and bereft of power in the US.
But yes, the Democrats have a history of ignoring Asian voices. That being said, it's not like the GOP listen at all. It's just more jarring that the party that swears it cares about minorities ignores one. Between the two, Democrats still come out ahead.
Yeah anything beneficial is topical and short sighted.
Thank you!
Oh at the end of the day its pure "I got mine" mentality. I knows it not for the greater good but it just pisses me off when you're so unappreciated fighting the good fight. And not only that, Democrat policy tend to always be something that harms asians the most or benefit asians the least(federal and local). Its almost like democrats purposely looks for policies that put the brunt of the pain on Asian Americans.
The Republicans aren't better and their policies aren't done to help Asian Americans. The main focus is still to help Whites but Asian Ameicans are the most likely minorities to get some residual benefits because we have the highest medium income, lowest usage of social saftey nets and highest emphasis of control on education.
Again none of this sounds good but when you get ignored, taken advantage of and shit on like democrats tend to do to us. It makes being selfless a lot harder when people don't appreciate it.
A rising tide lifts all boats. The problem is that some policies aim to raise the water level via displacement by sinking some boats.
Meanwhile, GOP guys want to just sink all boats but theirs so they can have the water to themselves.
Meanwhile, GOP guys want to just sink all boats but theirs so they can have the water to themselves.
Do you have examples of these policies?
Like, how does universal healthcare not benefit Asians, especially the Asian demos that are among the worst-off in this country? A push for a liveable minimum wage? I could go on.
Shit, even the argument that because some Asian demos are well-off they'll benefit from Republican policy is wrong, because Asian people don't get promoted to executive level jobs where you'll actually get to benefit financially from the rampant corruption and pay-to-play BS that Republicans traffic in.
All I'll say is that I'm glad my family was not put in concentration camps (and parents/kids separated) when fleeing the Vietnam War and that they were not treated like animals and VC terrorists just because of their nationality.
I find trying to 'both sides' the current political climate pretty unthinkable. This is some 'at least Hitler gave us the autobahn' BS. Not to mention that all Americans, Asian or otherwise, benefit from more social safety nets, and that not all Asian ethnicities are on the higher than average income level.
I find trying to 'both sides' the current political climate pretty unthinkable. This is some 'at least Hitler gave us the autobahn' BS. Not to mention that all Americans, Asian or otherwise, benefit from more social safety nets, and that not all Asian ethnicities are on the higher than average income level.
The bamboo ceiling is not a party specific problem and neither is corporate corruption. Plus people calling us not well round and having terrible personalities and emasculating us in media tend to be democrats.
Never said it was party specific. One party is clearly more involved in it and is openly embracing it, though.
RE: the bolded, do you have a source on that? And regardless, is that somehow worse than Republicans straight up wanting to kick us out of the country or worse?
Definitely not a both sides argument. The current administration is the trashiest administration in a first world country since First wold countries (So basically ever).
Safety nets are good, like all things in life, someone has to pay for it. I just don't trust Democrats enough to not fuck over Asians to do it, like they're doing with school diversity.
College Administrations, Hollywood, sites like Resetera tend to be bastions of Liberals, who do you think we tend to hear most of those comments from.
At the end of the day I just feel the devil you know is better than the ones you don't. Trumpers are terrible, we know we should fight them . People that hate us just as much but with better PR are much harder to fight.
Those aren't the only people you hear those comments from, though.
That only makes sense if every single Democrat is a devil. This supposed equivalence between the two parties is complete nonsense.
Sorry going to need sources.
Sources that are not "what I read on resetera." Do you have actual proof that the people who are calling Asians not well rounded with terrible personalities are, as you say, mostly Democrats.
I mean, really, how can you think that? In my experience it's the racist white people that say shit like that. If you have any tangible proof otherwise, please share it. Otherwise, your assertion is no better based than mine.
Also using resetera as an example is deeply flawed. Just because A and B intersect does not mean all of A is B. Reset is overwhelmingly liberal. That doesn't mean ALL liberals have that belief. And even if all liberals did, that also doesn't mean ONLY liberals do. I'm honestly baffled as to how you could extrapolate your conclusions based on reset, and not just "well liberals think this based on this liberal site," but rather "well since liberals think this, conservatives must not." It's not logically sound.
I will agree there's a few posters here that are blatantly anti-Asian all while pretending to be super progressive for minorities (bish and his ilk come to mind), and yeah it's hard to fight, but that doesn't mean the solution is to join conservatives. You can stand up to them here just like you would with the GOP. I have no issue doing so, I think the problem is really voicing how we feel and not backing down even if you get dog piled. If we fight the good fight and put in the effort, we'll have done what we can and at the end of the day that's all we can do, here or with GOPpers.
What does Hollywood and their actions have to do with Resetera? Are you telling me Hollywood haven't been discriminating against Asians or are you telling me Hollywood isn't liberal? College admission rating Asian peronalities low on arbitrary crap even though they never met the applicant?
Trumpers are more direct with their racism, they're not scared that we know they hate us. They don't need to use passive aggressive terms like "not well rounded".
Again, I'm not saying I'm voting Republican or they treat us better (In my case specifically some local Republican policies help me). I just upset Democrats expect to keep getting our votes while treating us like trash. Cause if we continue our path we'll continue to be treated like trash.
Your posts come across like you're legitimately torn on which side to support. That's what I find so confusing. For example:
RE: the bolded, so is every other minority group. It sucks, but that's where we're at. The solution is to make the Democratic party shift so that they aren't just appealing to white liberals. Increase minority representation in the party, push them towards policy that doesn't benefit white people at the expense of everyone else. And that's actively happening as we speak. You won't see any of that with the Republicans, so you take the road that actually has a possibility of getting you where you need to go.
Anyway, which Republican policies help you? I'm legitimately curious.
I'm talking about myself here. (All reasons are completely selfish but why be selfless to people that treat you like crap)
I don't like to give too much personal info but in short we make a good money, have good free healthcare from employer, don't use social safety nets and have private safety nets and live in an affluent village with a top school district. So any lowering of taxes will benefit me and any social safety net my kids might need, I feel I can set up better for them from tax gains. Plus less federal control that would fuck up my school district.
Okay, I figured it was something along those lines. If you're legitimately torn on who to support, I guess you just have to ask yourself if that stuff is worth getting if you also have to accept all the other stuff that comes along with the Republican platform.
With the current Republican party? No chance I'll deflect but just getting a non-Nazi in office would make me think about it which isn't a high bar.
Ah, that's the rub though - when you say non-Nazi, do you mean someone who does not support white nationalist policy? Or just someone who doesn't do it openly? Because if it's the former, you'll be waiting a long time with that party. Unless Trump destroys it utterly.
You edited this in after I responded to this post, so I feel compelled to respond directly to it:
At least you're honest about not giving a fuck about innocent people that would get fucked by the consequences of an election. Maybe you really would fit in with the Republicans.
Hollywood doesn't discriminate against Asians anymore than any conservative areas of influence/control. Neither do college admissions. Most of the CEOs and Boards of F500 are super white and rich and they discriminate against Asians (see: bamboo ceiling). There are way more movies with Asian leads now in various roles. Has the number of Asian CEOs increased? Has the bamboo ceiling been broken yet?
So, so far, all you've been able to point out is that liberals aren't any kinder to Asians than conservatives, not that the majority of people who discriminate against Asians are liberal.
Also ionno ANY Democrat that thinks Asians will just give them their vote. Sure, white Democrats treat black voters like that, but not Asians. If anything, we've been written off because they assume we'll vote Republican.
So...fuck you I got mine?
To be honest you're entitled to feel that way. In America, you don't get ahead by being a good person. You're free to not give a shit about others. You're extremely short sighted, though.
First of all, you work FOR someone else. Your employer offers healthcare because they get tax incentives for giving workers these things. You can thank progressive government and progressive people that fight for employee rights.
Second, you can thank progressives for pushing education and making some public schools so wonderful. The current GOP want to push charter schools and private schools on everyone. Also, you can thank progressives for desegregating the schools and cities, because that nice affluent city you live in would be off limits to you if conservatives had their way (look at what they did to the well off, affluent black community in Tulsa). The Fair Housing laws that prohibit discrimination based on race is a liberal/progressive belief.
If your estate will be over 5.4 million, then yes, the GOP tax plan benefits you and your kids. Taxes don't discriminate- you won't have to pay extra tax once you die, which means your kids will be better off. Though, truth be told, there's already ways around that and that doesn't really help you, just made it easier to not pay estate taxes. Still, that's the only thing on your list that you can thank conservatives over liberals for.
This +++.
It's not like the Democrats are particularly good towards black people. It is just that they are infinitely better alternative to the GOP.
No where did I ever said liberals are more likely to discriminate against Asians. I said liberals are more likely to discriminate covertly unlike republicans which are more up front.
Honestly if your best arguement is "I'm okay with democrats treating us like shit since the other guys arent any better" or "you have not proven the majority of people who discriminate against Asians are liberal" then I really don't have much to add to the discussion.
Also on the national level democrats definitely expect the Asian vote. Less so on local where it's more even.
Wrt this topic, is there no scope for coalition governments in the US?
I mean, why aren't there any political parties that specifically represent minorities?
While Asian Americans are too small a minority to actually form a government by yourselves, you could actually form a party, that given the polarised political environment there, can straight up play kingmakers, and thus wield considerable influence as a voting bloc
I mean, why aren't there any political parties that specifically represent minorities?
While Asian Americans are too small a minority to actually form a government by yourselves, you could actually form a party, that given the polarised political environment there, can straight up play kingmakers, and thus wield considerable influence as a voting bloc
i don't think US politics works that way. (Coming at it from an Aussie perspective)
It's a combination of first past the post, gerrymandering, and other various issues that mean that in the US if you vote for a non-major party you're actually effectively voting for the party that wins, since votes don't flow-on if your chosen candidate gets knocked out.
It's a combination of first past the post, gerrymandering, and other various issues that mean that in the US if you vote for a non-major party you're actually effectively voting for the party that wins, since votes don't flow-on if your chosen candidate gets knocked out.
Due to the way the government is structured, the two major parties are the only ones that really have any chance of winning.
The Washington Post did a story with an overview of why, if you're interested: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-american-politics/?utm_term=.eeea0cf0b0c1
It sucks because we're essentially stuck with one party (Republicans) that are the party of white nationalism, deregulation, unfettered capitalism and corporate greed, and religious zealotry. The other party (and only viable alternative) must account for essentially everyone else: white centrists/liberals, non-white women (should be all women but racism is a hell of a drug for white women), the LGBTQ community, every racial demographic that isn't considered white, etc. White women and white men were the only race/gender combo to lean Republican in the presidential election, for reference.
So the Republicans only have to appeal to religion and racism to lock up basically their entire base, and they use fearmongering and propaganda along with appealing to peoples' greed to pick up undecided or swing voters. The Democrats have to put together a platform that appeals to everyone else, and thus it is inherently probably going to be less than ideal for at least a few of their target demographics. This is what allows the Republicans to win elections, which allows them to rig the system (via gerrymandering, political obstruction, stacking the courts, etc.) to keep themselves in the game despite slowly losing the numbers advantage as white people slowly lose the majority share of the population in this country.
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also for some reason leftists/democrats tend to tear one another apart over how not-left they are while republicans fall in line instantly
ya'll need to get some of that compulsary voting in and like have votes on weekends or public holidays or somesuch probably
ya'll need to get some of that compulsary voting in and like have votes on weekends or public holidays or somesuch probably
Which also means the if there is a third party that actually represents the interests of a particular group, the party that stands the most to lose would find it in their best interests to try and hold on to voters from said bloc, lest they lose due to a split in votes.
But with whites increasingly becoming a smaller demographic in the country, do you not believe that the Republicans will try to attract other voters?
And with the way things are, lighter skinned Asians seem like the next most likely demographic they will want to pander to.
And given that political parties generally take up to a decade to actually gather steam, I feel the time is ripe for building grassroots support for such parties.
Reading through that article, it seems that most of the third-party candidates ran on their own platform, rather than with the support of one of the major parties, which is what I'm getting to.
Just like what churches are for the Republicans, which is where they get their grassroots support from, with pastors influencing voters to vote for a particular party, so too can these parties, where they can simply transfer votes to their coalition partner.
I think that problem is largely overblown. Most leftists/liberals see the big picture and vote the Dem nominee - even if it's not their chosen candidate from the primary. It's just that the babies throwing the tantrums on the internet are so much louder than everyone else that it seems like they're more common than they actually are. Not to mention those throwing said tantrums are either A) white, and so they can afford to treat it like a team sport, or B) they're just flat-out stupid.
Dems need to get power before they can make voting more accessible - Republicans actively work to make it more difficult to both register to vote and actually vote because it benefits them to do so.
Nah, the next demographic they'll try to extend the white card to will be Hispanics/Latin demographics. Both because they're far, far more numerous in this country than any other non-white demographic and they also are frequently Christian.
Asians would still be useful as a model minority to white supremacists to use as a wedge against other minorities, so they won't be interested in giving us the white invitation anytime soon (not that I would want it in the first place). Especially with Asia (particularly China) rising to become a legitimate economic competitor to the US.
The political parties will force any third-party candidate to run for their nomination if they want access to the party's resources, which is why Bernie ran for the Democratic nomination instead of running as an independent. They also have a vested interest in not giving actual independent candidates the platform/legitimacy of participating in debates with them, so they'll likely nix any independents from said events.
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that's assuming the third party can get elected though.
in a preferential voting system, it's more possible for a minority third party to get an eventual majority of the votes, due to run-off. (In Australia, for example, a tight three-way race where a third party knocks out one of the majors will usually result in that third party winning the seat, since Majors tend to preference a third party ahead of the other major opponent so the third party would absorb the losing major's vote)
In America, what would happen in a 3-way race is that (for example) the two left-leaning parties would split their vote and the right-leaning candidate would get in.
in a preferential voting system, it's more possible for a minority third party to get an eventual majority of the votes, due to run-off. (In Australia, for example, a tight three-way race where a third party knocks out one of the majors will usually result in that third party winning the seat, since Majors tend to preference a third party ahead of the other major opponent so the third party would absorb the losing major's vote)
In America, what would happen in a 3-way race is that (for example) the two left-leaning parties would split their vote and the right-leaning candidate would get in.
Exactly.
Such a situation would force the losing major party to try and form an alliance (pre or post poll) with the third party, in order to ensure that the other major party doesn't win.
Bernie isn't exactly a fair comparison here, because he was appealing to a wider base of people here- whites, blacks, asians, hispanics etc.
What I'm talking about is a party that solely represents the interests of 1-2 voting blocs.
I think you guys are coming down a little too hard on ccbfan. He's "made it" and life is good for the most part, but he's still angry as fuck, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The fact that he's angry means that he's not ready to throw in the towel just yet. Roast him when he's apathetic instead....lolz
As for me, I'm trying to get more involved in fighting gentrification by writing letters to local politicians, attending zoning board hearings, volunteering at cultural events, etc. Calling out the old guard that's selling out the neighborhood block by block for the last 20 years is next on my list.
As for me, I'm trying to get more involved in fighting gentrification by writing letters to local politicians, attending zoning board hearings, volunteering at cultural events, etc. Calling out the old guard that's selling out the neighborhood block by block for the last 20 years is next on my list.
People still do that? I was told anyone not with you is a lost cause.
Anger is useless if it's not channeled properly.
Pointing out his selfishness isn't "shitting on" him. Frankly I'm not interested in trying to recruit or convert anyone at this point. If you're still considering voting Republican with all the garbage they've openly embraced you're long gone. They're openly embracing white supremacy and blatantly colluding with a foreign government to fix our elections - if a little more freedom to throw your money around to benefit yourself is worth also voting for all that then so be it. Just be honest with yourself and with us.
I think the discussion is interesting in theory.
Re: first one...the way you phrased things made it seem like you felt like liberals were the ones that were mainly the "problem." (I have bolded your quotes below). I reject this soundly and also pointed out how all the ways we as Asians are able to enjoy the luxuries we have comes directly from liberals fighting for minority and equality.
If you go back and reread my posts, I continuously explain why this is so. I have pointed out how you are able to benefit in so many ways, and I have also pointed out how you're able to enjoy the good life that you have here in the US. I'm not sure if you're purposely glossing over what I wrote, or if you're just obstinate in your desire to justify your beliefs.
I highly doubt Democrats or Republicans give much of a shit about the 5% of Asian Americans who historically are pretty mute about politics or expect their votes, but then again I've never worked for a think tank or political party so I can't be certain.
And no party is perfect. I don't give a shit about that. We live in reality, not fantasy. If it's a zero sum game and one side is a bit less shitty than the other, then yeah that's the side that's better.
The GOP would like nothing more than to see abortion banned, gay marriage banned, Christianity as the ruling law, and white people as superior to everyone else. No thanks. I can't fathom why you'd take that over a 12% decrease on take home pay.
What are you going to use that money for once people stop selling you homes in nice areas because they can discriminate against you, or you get deported or jailed? The Japanese had their shit stolen- land, homes, money- once they were put in camps. And btw, only one party right now is okay with these camps, and only one party is going to advocate for them once we get into a war with an Asian country.
Re: first one...the way you phrased things made it seem like you felt like liberals were the ones that were mainly the "problem." (I have bolded your quotes below). I reject this soundly and also pointed out how all the ways we as Asians are able to enjoy the luxuries we have comes directly from liberals fighting for minority and equality.
If you go back and reread my posts, I continuously explain why this is so. I have pointed out how you are able to benefit in so many ways, and I have also pointed out how you're able to enjoy the good life that you have here in the US. I'm not sure if you're purposely glossing over what I wrote, or if you're just obstinate in your desire to justify your beliefs.
I highly doubt Democrats or Republicans give much of a shit about the 5% of Asian Americans who historically are pretty mute about politics or expect their votes, but then again I've never worked for a think tank or political party so I can't be certain.
And no party is perfect. I don't give a shit about that. We live in reality, not fantasy. If it's a zero sum game and one side is a bit less shitty than the other, then yeah that's the side that's better.
The GOP would like nothing more than to see abortion banned, gay marriage banned, Christianity as the ruling law, and white people as superior to everyone else. No thanks. I can't fathom why you'd take that over a 12% decrease on take home pay.
What are you going to use that money for once people stop selling you homes in nice areas because they can discriminate against you, or you get deported or jailed? The Japanese had their shit stolen- land, homes, money- once they were put in camps. And btw, only one party right now is okay with these camps, and only one party is going to advocate for them once we get into a war with an Asian country.
Gaslighting him isn't helpful either and he's already on our side; he's just venting. You should read his post history.
Want Democrats to better represent Asians? Vote for Democrat candidates that do just that, don't just wait till presidential elections. Asian-Americans need to get more involved in politics if they want more of a voice.
The GOP has nothing to offer Asians. The Muslim ban is a page straight out of the Chinese Exclusion Act.
The GOP has nothing to offer Asians. The Muslim ban is a page straight out of the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Who's gaslighting? He said some selfish bullshit and I pointed out that it was selfish.
Pet asked him for receipts on the Bamboo Ceiling and how liberals are complicit in Asian male emasculation in the media. That's remedial level stuff.
Like I said, read his post history. He's not even close to throwing in his lot with conservatives.
He also acknowledges that it is selfish. And also acknowledges that the GOP is trash.
I get the perspective. The Democrats don't do enough for Asians specifically, the GOP tax cuts benefit him specifically. But it is missing the bigger picture that a fairer society benefits everyone, including Asians.
As a Canadian, I pay more taxes than I would in the US, but I gladly pay it because I know it benefits my society. I am a professional who makes good money (more importantly, I live comfortably whether I get marginal tax cuts or not), but I sleep better knowing I don't have to worry about whether I can afford seeing a doctor if I ever screw up my finances or lose my job or whatever, and that anyone in a less fortunate situation than me also can.
Yeah seriously. Also, it's tough running as Asian with the Dems. The GOP has no problem propping up one or two of us as tokens, but the Dems....man. Just don't even consider us at all. We only get voted in in majority Asian places like Los Angeles and Hawaii.
To be fair I asked him for receipts on how it "tends" to be liberals shitting on us, relative to conservatives. I only brought up bamboo ceiling because he used Hollywood as an example of a liberal bastion, so I pointed out an equally discriminatory issue occurring in a conservative stronghold, which is the world of higher tier business/finance.
In my opinion Hollywood is progressing, if slowly, and grudgingly sometimes listening to us. Don't see any conservatives or business people speaking up and saying that Asian Americans aren't actually meek, or make great leaders, or aren't all worker bees. In fact, the only people even pointing OUT there's a bamboo ceiling are....liberals. People in academia, who are like wait a minute let's look at these numbers.
If there were no liberals doing these kinds of studies on equality and sociology, no one (besides Asians watching this unfairness) would even know it was going on.
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And God knows I take issue with a lot of the "progressives" here that ignore Asians or are racist towards them- I got banned a few times before for fighting it so hard- but I don't let that change the fact that this is a zero sum game and there's ONLY two sides and I'm going to pick the side, that at the end of the day, cares are equality, progress, and people.
There's more to a good life than just an extra $20,000 a year. There's helping others, there's women's rights, there's community. There's making sure that other people get a chance too, and that no one is discriminated based on their skin. There's the environment itself- clean air, clean water. Safe food. Sleeping with peace of mind that I won't get cancer from the paint in my house, not worrying about getting cancer from the water and dirt in my yard...all of these are due to government regulations that are favored by liberal policies and ignored by conservative policies.
Like, no offense, but I don't want to live in a shit hole country, even if I'm part of the rich class that can afford to buy my way to a nicer standard of living. I'd much rather live in a society where the majority of people have a better standard of living...and that's just not going to happen under the GOP.
Look at the states where the GOP are in power and gut regulations. They have cancer, birth defects, sickness, broken down towns... all due to the greed of fuck you, got mine, and the refusal to think about 50 years down to the road as opposed to next quarter shareholder profit. Why would anyone want that? All for a 401k that grows at 12% instead of 7%?
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Nah, she was asking him for proof that it was mainly liberals, not that they were involved at all. And he didn't produce any.
Reading is remedial stuff, I concur.
Then the choice should be clear. Which his posts seemed to indicate wasn't the case for him.
To be frank, I found it patronizing. Judging from his actual posts, I don't think he needed a purity test. And it isn't white liberals promoting us, it's other Asians. It's Asians and Asian Americans that did the research because whites don't/didn't give a fuck. I think the misunderstanding is coming from us interpreting terms in different ways. It's less about the liberal/conservative dichotomy and more about white people in general.
Maybe he wasn't clear in this thread, but he certainly had in others. The last part of my reply to pet pretty much explains it.
My bad for not knowing the post histories of everyone here by heart. I'll try to do better next time.
I guess so, but if he really is straddling the line, it does no one any good to push him away and hope he lands on our side. Even just for pragmatism.