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TheRulingRing

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Apr 6, 2018
5,713
A long time ago, I would be able to play a single-player game by myself for hours at a time, and I could enjoy it again and again.

When it came to last gen, however, I switched to mainly playing multiplayer games, and then even more so when it came to this gen.

Recently I started getting properly back into SP games, but I found that they could no longer hold my attention unless they had a great story to rope me in. Otherwise I would get this feeling of "what's the point?".

The game that really convinced me of this was Bloodborne (when I got it last year based on the internet's hype for it). Without a story it felt like I was just trudging through the game with no purpose. I would get good at elements of it, but again, "what's the point?" No one will know of my achievements, and I don't get much satisfaction from them for myself.

I got no satisfaction from beating AI opponents that were designed to be beaten. Pretty much everyone who plays the game is supposed to beat it. Bloodborne is, of course, less of an offender when it comes to this. Other gameplay focused games are even more lenient and less satisfying. I imagine this is also why I can't get into most of Nintendo's games.

Now I may be sounding like I don't care about gameplay in video games, but it's actually the opposite. The issue is that MP games naturally make gameplay more compelling. When I beat opponents online I know it was because I was better than them - it's actual people, not intentionally fodder AI. Not everyone is supposed to get a victory royale, so it feels satisfying and earned when you get one. Not everyone can have pride of place at the top of the leaderboards at the end of a game, so it feels satisfying when you get to be that guy.

Not only does this "satisfaction" provide motivation to continue playing and improving, but other people can also see your achievements, see you at the top of the leaderboards, see your prowess, again making it feel less pointless.

This is not all to say that I'm ok with mediocre gameplay - any SP game I put much time into has to have both good story and good gameplay.

Who else has this feeling? And for those who can play SP games for gameplay alone, how do you motivate yourself to play them without feeling like "what's the point?".



tldr: can't play SP games for the sake of gameplay alone because gameplay in online/MP games is much more compelling.

EDIT: I want to make it clear again that I'm NOT talking about SP games with story, exploration, world-building etc.
 
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quotethis

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Jan 21, 2018
594
But SP games, especially in the indie scene, have the best gameplay experiences.

"The issue is that MP games naturally make gameplay more compelling. When I beat opponents online I know it was because I was better than them"

That's not always true. There are so many factors in online gaming that can cause an extremely skilled player to lose to a novice. Also, leaderboards are often fraudulent. I never bother looking at the top 200 people(I rarely bother with leaderboards at all actually)because the majority of them likely cheated their way to the top.
 

JigglesBunny

Prophet of Truth
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
31,153
Chicago
Respectfully disagree.

Sometimes I want to enjoy a games mechanics without the pressure of competitive-minded people calling me a cunt for not preferring their play style or having to worry about intermittent network issues ruining the experience.

Also, simply playing a game solely for bragging rights and the sake of beating random competition makes little sense to me personally but to each their own I suppose.
 

BlackSalad

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Oct 27, 2017
1,226
A long time ago, I would be able to play a single-player game by myself for hours at a time, and I could enjoy it again and again.
Who else has this feeling? And for those who can play SP games for gameplay alone, how do you motivate yourself to play them without feeling like "what's the point?".

I'm the complete opposite

I hit the "whats the point?" stage in multiplayer games, I just end up questioning why am I still playing this

I play single player games for the narrative
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
I would get this feeling of "what's the point?".

This is exactly my reaction to multiplayer.

To elaborate, i play games for things like world building, exploration, story and characters, level design, encounter design, visual design and music. Mechanics come after all of this most of the time, with a few exceptions. I care literally nothing about competitive play.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
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Oct 25, 2017
115,871
Yeah, I feel the exact opposite. I don't know or care about the people I'm playing with, so proving my perceived superiority over them means nothing to me.

Playing co-op with my friends? That's great. But I don't give a damn about strangers, especially in the era of silent multiplayer. It's just botmatches against bots who can get mad and troll you via PM if you beat them.
 

Ehoavash

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 28, 2017
7,239
I also have been playing single player games less and less. Horizon zero Dawn had a interesting story but man I can't get hooked at all due to the boring nature of traveling in this single player game. ( Also have problems with it's combat and more stuff )

Tried playing splatoon 2's story mode but it just feels boring and pointless that I quit every time and head straight for multiplayer.
 

Dark1x

Digital Foundry
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Oct 26, 2017
3,530
I pretty much get nothing out of competitive multiplayer games (most of them, at least). Zero fun for me. Shooters are the worst for this these days.

I can enjoy COOP, though.
 

ronpontelle

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Oct 27, 2017
1,645
For me it's single player for gameplay, always.

I don't enjoy multiplayer that much these days, plus a baby makes committing to long sessions difficult! I prefer a more 'designed' experience.

Depends on the game though - I've only played Switch in the past year or so. It's a different kind of challenge I suppose, beating the computer rather than beating another player. Most single player games don't interest me.
 

Patapuf

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Oct 26, 2017
6,419
I get way more satisfaction out of beating humans than bots/AI.

The vast majority of SP games opponents are just pattern recogniton or straight up stupid. I enjoy that too but there's a ceiling to how fun that is.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,216
Brazil
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I prefer single player games because beating random people over the internet doesn't give me any satisfaction anymore. It feels pointless and I never get the feeling I'm moving forward. Beating challenges designed by people who spent months/years developing them, though, feels rather nice.
 
Oct 27, 2017
39,148
All I feel playing MP games these days is that there are no goals to the game. Sure you can play until you hit max rank or something but the game will never end. So there are no goal I am working towards.


So it is the opposite for me. MP feels like I am wasting time that I could use to beat a SP game.
 

Tohsaka

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Nov 17, 2017
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It's the opposite for me, I don't care about fighting/killing random people with no story explanation. I haven't played any competitive multiplayer games in years for that reason.
 

score01

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm the complete opposite op. There is a number of sp games I've beaten where I don't even bother to load up and try the MP portions.

Give me a good sp story driven game any day if the week. I have no desire to compete with other people...
 

Derrick01

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Oct 25, 2017
7,289
The point is experiencing good level design, encounter design, pacing, being able to explore a world and of course experience the story too. There's none of that in a MP game you just run around the same few maps playing deathmatch all day. It's gaming at its most basic.
 

Deleted member 9486

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Oct 26, 2017
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I've mostly moved on from purely gameplay focused games period. Plenty of games with both good gameplay and at least some decent narrative focus for me to play now that I've been scaling back my gaming time. I can just stick to the "best of both worlds" types. It helps that RPGs, Yakuza games and other stuff with narratives tend to be long as well. I don't have a lot of need to delve into the pure gameplay stuff often to fill the gaps between games with narratives I want to play. I still make some exceptions for things like Hollow Knight though (mixed feelings on that one so far).
 

scrabble

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May 8, 2018
150
put me in the "what's the point" group for multiplayer as well. Being better than other people at video games isn't really that rewarding. If I wanted to really be good at something i'd dedicate it to working out or doing something more productive.
 

Sanctuary

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Oct 27, 2017
14,240
I'm the exact opposite. Most MP games (aside from an RTS or fighting games if those count) are rather limiting regarding gameplay and especially in any kind of "competitive" setting, it devolves into the same sequence again and again. If you've played Quake 2, you've played what just about every modern shooter has to offer for the most part. If you're more about replaying the same scenario, but with the variability of other humans, there's that, but for actual gameplay mechanics, MP just doesn't offer nearly as much. Although I can totally understand quickly getting bored with what a single-player game has to offer once you've exhausted your options.

Multiplayer games make me feel like I'm not accomplishing anything. It's just the same thing over and over again with no end goal.

Ultimately all video games are a waste of time but I need an overall objective, at least.

Aside from a fighting game, or RTS (and in the past MMORPGs) this is exactly how I feel. I'm not sure if the first two count either since I never play them anything other than 1v1.
 
Oct 27, 2017
39,148
Expanding on what I said earlier, MP games are fun when you don't want to beat anything and as plate cleanser to prepare me for the next SP game.
 

Ryo

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Oct 28, 2017
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I sort of feel the same, it's very rare that I'll enjoy the singleplayer portion of a game if it doesn't revolve around a strong story. SP gameplay often lacks the tension, unpredictability and competitiveness of MP.
 
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hibikase

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Oct 26, 2017
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Multiplayer games make me feel like I'm not accomplishing anything. It's just the same thing over and over again with no end goal.

Ultimately all video games are a waste of time but I need an overall objective, at least.
 

Siggy-P

Avenger
Mar 18, 2018
11,865
I certainly agree that single player enemy AI feels hollow compared to actual players, even taking into accout other context.

Human opponents are both easier and yet harder to beat.
 

Igniz12

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Oct 25, 2017
7,445
I find the opposite. I can immerse myself in a SP game but MP games can get repetitive for me as there is a constant need to keep with the rest of the pack and it gets tiring, at some point you stop engaging with the game for the gameplay alone and just feel like I am going through the routine. But I guess I can do both so I never feel like I ever need to drop one for the other.

I do understand your point about some games just not being engaging enough to keep going; A lot of the AAA cinematic games are the biggest offenders here.
 

Patapuf

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Oct 26, 2017
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I love how everyone says they disagree with OP and then actually agree with him in their posts by saying that SP gives them non-gameplay focused stuff that they find important.
 

Deleted member 11018

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Oct 27, 2017
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It is certainly not my experience, your "No one will know of my achievements" is not a concern of mine and "i am better than you" is not the point of playing the game for me.
I am happy finishing a chapter of Yakuza as much at completing a world of a good platformer or doing a properly chained level in a shmup.
I have not yet lost my sense of wonder, and about 40 years in i don't think that will ever happen.

Then again, i have international recognition at work and outside work from my other hobbies, perhaps that's why i don't need that in playing videogames.
 

j^aws

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Oct 31, 2017
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And for those who can play SP games for gameplay alone, how do you motivate yourself to play them without feeling like "what's the point?".
That's easy. You see, before modern games, there were Arcade games designed properly for single play, and non-existent story. Beating your high score was an achievement in itself. And by beating friends' scores, even more satisfying. These days, there are global leaderboards as well.
 

Xeonidus

“Fuck them kids.”
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Oct 28, 2017
4,279
I used to be big on multiplayer games with a group of friends with LoL, CSGO, and Overwatch. I used to always play singleplayer games when I wanted a change of pace as well. However, I became a father last year and I just can't do the multiplayer part anymore. My group of friends have since moved onto PUBG, but I don't have time to learn and improve like I used to. I vastly prefer singleplayer games at the moment. Give me more God of Wars anyday!

Really, everyone needs to find their own reason to game, whether single or multiplayer, and there will be a wide variety of reasons.
 
Jul 5, 2018
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Funny, cause I'm the exact opposite. For me it's fun to play multiplayer for a little while but I start to think what's the point in doing the exact same games on the exact same maps over and over. The only MP where I didn't think that was the Halo series.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
11,892
I love how everyone says they disagree with OP and then actually agree with him in their posts by saying that SP gives them non-gameplay focused stuff that they find important.

I just think that different people have different definitions of what gameplay is. For me, it's much more than the act of shooting or the act of jumping. Exploring a world, choosing your path through a conversation, experiencing and understanding level and encounter design, building up an RPG character, these are all different examples of gameplay to me. On the flipside, 'pure' gameplay, where you repeat the same actions within the same space, in order to obtain incremental competitive skills so you can better do what you're already doing holds no appeal to me whatsoever.
 

Necron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nope. Completely different to you, OP.

I need context, story, characters and especially good gameplay to get me interested in a game. I don't need to compete with others. Haven't played online in years.
 

Deleted member 24540

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Oct 29, 2017
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The quality of single player games comes down to the tuning, which is extremely difficult to pull off and takes time to test and polish. As a developer it doesn't make sense to spend large amounts of resources creating one really good level that will take the player 15 minutes to clear. They prefer the approach of finding ways to develop a level in 15 minutes that provides hours of gameplay: welcome to the skinner box era of gaming.

I think for me personally it's the friction you encounter when learning the controls and mechanics of a game. I'm honest when I say that I rather take the lazy approach and play an online shooter - a game type I'm well familiar with - vs relearning how to ride the bike so to speak. Developers know this, and this is why all games have become similar and simplified.

There are some really, really good campaigns out there that provide just the right amount of challenge and depth such as Warcraft III on Hard Mode. It's difficult to find a gaming experience that leaves you more satisfied than this. The problem is that it ends after a while, something multiplayer games don't!

The social aspect shouldn't be underestimated either.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Sorry OP, but SP/CO-Op will always be King for me. MP will always be inferior because of: terrible community, inefficient netcode, and balancing issues. That's ignoring microtransactions and season passes.
 

ghostcrew

The Shrouded Ghost
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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm the same OP. I've become more and more multiplayer heavy in my gaming as I've got older. The narratives in games sometimes do it for me but, usually, I'm looking for social experiences. Some of my favourite gaming experiences of the last 10 years have been shared with others in either PVP or PVE.
 

jph139

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Oct 25, 2017
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Single player experiences, if we're talking a pure gameplay level and assuming quality design, aren't actually all that different from multiplayer experiences. A multiplayer game's challenge is derived from emergent, dynamic situations with other players - Overwatch, for example, has tons of layers just from the fact there's a dozen human beings, all with competing and overlapping goals. The challenge comes from two things - trying to understand how you fit into this dynamic, and executing your goal. If you're on offense, and you're a support character, you need to do X/Y/Z, and you need to do it better than the enemy team.

A single player game is you against the game. It's complexity derives from the layers in the system, most of which are on auto-pilot. That includes things like time limits, enemy patterns, the punishments for your mistakes. It's understanding THAT system, rather than understanding other people, and executing your goal.

But "the system" doesn't emerge from nothing. It emerges from a designer (or designers) - you're really playing against the people who made the game. Sometimes they're not going to be as hard as in multiplayer (most FPS games), sometimes they're going to be way harder (some of the bullshit platformers out there).

The satisfaction in both derives from outsmarting and outplaying another person. The only difference is that in multiplayer, the other person knows it.
 

Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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Single player gaming is what it's all about for me. I don't have to compete with or rely on anyone to get the most out of my gaming experiences and just get lost in the game.
 

Adryuu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Absolutely disagree. Also as a person who just does not see the point in being competitive I'd say there's more gameplay value out of a game that manages to entertain you in ways other than depending on other players being worse at it than you so you can get satisfaction out of it.

If the game's systems allow hoy to experiment and play varied styles and present you with situations that make you take a different approach it's just better than getting the highest kill count shooting people always in the face from the same spot.

And obviously competitive gaming will never offer the sense of discovery and adventure in games like Uncharted 4, Soulsborne, BotW, Dragon's Dogma, etc... Plus most of these barely have any story.

Also you just can't online match against bosses, MH monsters, Horizon machines, etc.

The appeal of online (competitive) gaming seems really limited to me.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
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This is an interesting take on the subject and one I definitely do not share. I enjoy the game play in many games because it is challenging. When , for example. I play Bloodbourne I know despite millions of others going through the same motions, I still feel a sense of accomplishment for beating it. I don't need to see a leader board or be around other players to know how well I'm doing. This is the disassociation the op has and while the op needs to be in a multiplayer environment to feel pleasure for playing a game well, I do not ,as I know I'm kicking ass even if nobody is watching.
 

RandomDazed

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Oct 27, 2017
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I pretty much get nothing out of competitive multiplayer games (most of them, at least). Zero fun for me. Shooters are the worst for this these days.

I can enjoy COOP, though.
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TheRuralJuror

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Oct 25, 2017
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I used to feel this way, but something changed. I rather invest myself into a good story rather than grind in destiny. While I can get hooked onto one or two multiplayer games at once, I just don't have the time to invest in them properly. Fortnite is a bit of an exception for me simply because of the speed of getting in and out of matches.

Plus I'm not losing my mind and being all competitive. I used to tend to get very into winning.
 

SpokkX

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Oct 27, 2017
2,495
I'm the complete opposite

I hit the "whats the point?" stage in multiplayer games, I just end up questioning why am I still playing this

I play single player games for the narrative

Yeah I used to compete at a high level in a well know multiplayer game (some time ago) but i dont get any kick out of winning anymore

Why should i play another round of shooter X? I don care about unlocks, bragging etc

Getting older with a career i only play singleplayer or possibly coop.
 

Deleted member 2620

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't play any games for "gameplay alone", can't really relate. Everything's a holistic experience, even SFV matches.
 

Kasey

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Nov 1, 2017
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I don't get only liking MP or SP games. I play both for variety. I'd recommend people stop being so stubborn and play genres you're not used to playing. You'll probably experience less burn out.
 

correojon

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Oct 26, 2017
1,410
I don´t see the relation between challenge and gameplay being single or multiplayer focused. Winning on a multiplayer match can be very easy or hard as fuck depending on your opponents. Beating a single player game can be very easy or very hard depending on the game. The value you give to each of them is something absolutely subjective. What´s more valuable:
Beating Rodin in Bayonetta 2?
Being the MVP in a Rocket League match?
Winning a Fortnite Battle Royale?
Beating the Time Trial in a DK Tropical Freeze level?
...

You talk about gameplay OP, but all your arguments seem to be centered around the concepts of challenge and value instead.