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Women in Iran are starting a movement, protesting the compulsory hijab
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someone posted a picture of his 83 year old mother protesting in Sanandaj (majority kurdish city east of iran)
https://www.facebook.com/jamal.golhoseini/posts/2163602327201330
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they're not being punished just for removing their veil, because according to law the official punishment to being in public without hijab is a small fine and 10 days to two months in prison. this whole thing is being treated as a plot to weaken the regime, masterminded by foreign powers (sounds crazy, i know) and every judge is just doing whatever he wants. that's why these ridiculous sentences of one year or two years are being handed out to these girls.
they're not even acknowledging that these girls are protesting because they want the law to be changed
Imagine going to prison for a year for "promoting indecency" because you took off a piece of clothing and protested against the Government.
Even worse than that belly dancer getting arrested for "inciting young people to disobedience and immorality".
Even worse than that belly dancer getting arrested for "inciting young people to disobedience and immorality".
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a woman and her husband harassing a girl with no hijab
i don't even want to imagine what would happen to a girl here if a video came out of her belly dancing
This is what I don't get - if the Iranian government truly believes that no Iranian woman would ever willingly want to be out in public without covering her hair, why even have a law addressing something they think doesn't happen?
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they're not saying it doesn't happen, they're saying the vast majority wants it, therefore the law is justified, and those who live in a country should accept that law. blaming foreign influence is just what they do whenever something happens that they don't want. it's their scapegoat.
they try to minimize the efforts of those who protest it, but at the same time it's obvious that they're very fucking scared, judging by their reaction. they think [rightfully] that if they let this movement go on without punishing the girls, it can have a domino effect. this will lead to more groups wanting the rights they should have. people will start protesting for freedom of press, release of political prisoners from prison, getting rid of islam's influence on the laws of the country, etc.
I'm so amazed at these extremely brave women. I have known a few Iranian women and they are just so amazing and deserve to stand tall with ALL women on earth, with whatever they want to wear.
I remember a while ago though a movement with some celebrities who were saying that it was liberating to wear a hijab... I'm guessing they never spoke to these women before who are risking a fair bit to stand and show so much bravery. I'm in total awe of them.
Side note- I went out with a lady from that area a fair few years ago. She was born their but raised in Australia. Her parents still followed the traditions of their land though so it was forbidden me going out with her. I fought hard for her and she fought to stay with me, but religion and tradition won over and she was forced into a life she never wanted. She was a beautiful women who deserved so much more in life. I occasionally see her now and she is finally starting to live the life she always wanted- free of her parents strict rules.
All the power in the world to these brave women. They're my heroes.
I remember a while ago though a movement with some celebrities who were saying that it was liberating to wear a hijab... I'm guessing they never spoke to these women before who are risking a fair bit to stand and show so much bravery. I'm in total awe of them.
Side note- I went out with a lady from that area a fair few years ago. She was born their but raised in Australia. Her parents still followed the traditions of their land though so it was forbidden me going out with her. I fought hard for her and she fought to stay with me, but religion and tradition won over and she was forced into a life she never wanted. She was a beautiful women who deserved so much more in life. I occasionally see her now and she is finally starting to live the life she always wanted- free of her parents strict rules.
All the power in the world to these brave women. They're my heroes.
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i know this is a controversial issue and some people tiptoe around it, but i'm actually disgusted when i see how some western feminists have turned hijab into a symbol of freedom and empowerment. it's a fucking misogynistic concept coming out of an ancient misogynistic religion. i respect if a woman by choice and because of being a muslim wants to wear hijab, but actual feminists who are supposed to be against misogyny getting behind it and pretending it's something entirely different and not getting the actual concept and what's behind it is very very harmful. they may think they're celebrating a woman's choice, but they're ignorant to the fact that it's a form of oppression for A LOT of women, not just in iran where it's law, but most of the middle eastern countries where it's imposed on them by their fathers, husbands, brothers and families.
i know many of my female friends and my mom don't want it, but they have to wear this thing, they have to take part in this thing every time they leave the house. it's something imposed on them that's not imposed on me or any other man, and we all know where it came from and why it's a law here. it's because of misogyny, nothing else. power to any women who willingly wants to take part in it for her religious beliefs, but don't turn it into something liberating and a symbol of feminism because that makes absolutely no sense.
I think it's the concept of trying to "reclaim" it, to get it to the point where it is just another piece of optional religious clothing.
The difficulty is like in all the Abrahamic religions they are rife with a patriarchal view of the world, and a lot of damning passages about how women need to be controlled and restricted or God will be pissed off. So you have to attempt to untangle that, from the reality that many places in the world today, and many husbands/men, aren't just suggesting women coverup to show their religion, but that they cover up because it's indecent or immoral if they don't. There's also the issue of the clothing being politicized by extremists and/or totalitarian governments, who do strictly enforce. There's a reason women around the world burn their burqas when free of their oppressors, and possibly put on a hijab instead.
I don't think we can just "throw all feminists in the trash" that promote the hijab or religious garb, but sure, there is sometimes a veil of hypocrisy in how we handle things, particularly in the West. Men and women are equal and books written by men, in outstandingly patriarchal times, are not necessarily a good basis to try and socially construct societies in 2018.
The burqa is more of a sore point for most, in comparison to the hijab, but that is because the burqa is pretty damn inhumane and does completely shut down one's identity. Any feminists, men or women, battling hard for the burqa, are that bit harder to tolerate. That is really something we should try and socially construct out of societies as humanely as possible. Kicking off that debate is a huge can of worms though, and this topic is primarily about Iran, and a mandatory hijab, not the burqa.
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oh for sure, the burqa is just inexcusable. we had a lengthy thread in here about the burqa being banned in denmark. you wouldn't believe the names i got called for just saying it's a misogynistic and extremist garment designed by men to turn women into a shapeless, faceless, nameless object and to strip her of all dignity and expression. i was apparently a sexist person for saying that because all these western men who have no concept of what the burqa represent where insistent that the women were choosing to wear it by will and to express their religion and no one should ban the burqa, while also believing their position to be a feministic one. but yeah this thread isn't about it and it's not a form of hijab that's worn in iran.
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with two girls being in prison over this, not many people are protesting anymore. this is the first new picture i've seen in a while.
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a girl being beaten by "Gasht-e-Ershad", police that patrols the streets to catch or warn people with bad hijab and stuff like that. video is graphic, made me very angry. many people, including government officials and congressmen and women have condemned the act, there's investigation going on and the results and the punishment for the police will be announced later, i don't expect it to be much, at most they will get fired.
Veiled "morality police"women beating up a women for not wearing her hijab to cover up her hair fully (as I thought most women in Iran do?). This seems even more fucked up than the other, more frequent "standard" repurcussions.
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this "morality police" has existed for like 15 years now, they started when Ahmadinejad was president. they ride in vans that park in busy streets, they usually just talk to younger women who they feel aren't covering their hair enough, and that's it. at the beginning for a few years they would take the girls in their vans, and bring them to police stations. from there they would be asked to call their parents to come and get them, and they would write a meaningless note saying they would be more covered in the future and sign it. but they no longer arrest the girls. this kind of violence from them isn't really common which is why this video has enraged so many people the last few days.
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bumping this thread, one of the women protesting, Shaparak Ghajarizadeh has been sentenced to 42 months in prison. she has to srerve 24 month, and the remaining 18 are suspended (meaning she'll have to serve them if she ever gets in trouble again).
At least she wasn't murdered over it. As perverted as the prison sentence is, shit could've gone way worse for her.. silver linings I guess.bumping this thread, one of the women protesting, Shaparak Ghajarizadeh has been sentenced to 42 months in prison. she has to srerve 24 month, and the remaining 18 are suspended (meaning she'll have to serve them if she ever gets in trouble again).
Could this sentence be seen as an attempt to diffuse the situation, or am I reading too much into it.
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no one has been murdered over this
i've posted in the thread about some of the other girls getting similar sentences
Ah thank you for clarifying. Still outrageous to give prison time over this. Mad respect to every woman still standing their ground despite the regimes response.
Horrible. What a brave woman.bumping this thread, one of the women protesting, Shaparak Ghajarizadeh has been sentenced to 42 months in prison. she has to srerve 24 month, and the remaining 18 are suspended (meaning she'll have to serve them if she ever gets in trouble again).
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probably fake news? i haven't heard anything about a 20 year sentence
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islam (or any other religion) isn't gonna realize anything. these religions were made a long long time ago, at a time were sexism and misogyny were the absolute norm. it's up to the followers to realize that, and realize that our values and morals change with time, and it makes no sense to stick with a static and non-changing understanding of these religions
This is wonderful. I hope these women are able to change Iranian laws and society.
Are the younger generation of Iranians supportive of this movement?
Are the younger generation of Iranians supportive of this movement?
This is sad. Even sadder to think it was Persia who stand against caliphate's backwards and tribalistic customs and initiated Islamic Golden age by transferring all the positive sciences and arts they have to Arab empire.
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90% of them, absolutely. the government and their backwards laws do have fans tho, even among young people.
That's unfortunate, but I guess it's like that all over the world.
What an outrageous sentence for something that should not be illegal at all.bumping this thread, one of the women protesting, Shaparak Ghajarizadeh has been sentenced to 42 months in prison. she has to srerve 24 month, and the remaining 18 are suspended (meaning she'll have to serve them if she ever gets in trouble again).
Brave woman.
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after a long time, i'm bumping this thread because today a girl protested in a very beautiful way and the pictures and videos are spreading on twitter.
here's a video of people cheering for her as police asked her to come down:
here's a video of people cheering for her as police asked her to come down:
I hear Iranians 19-29 are converting to old religion zoroastrianism don't know if this true though.
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sorry but you're hearing wrong.
where did you hear that?