Could Blue Point Games pull off a Final Fantasy VIII (8) Remake?

CRIMSON-XIII · Jul 10, 2018

Similarly to Shadow of the Colossus.. a one for one remake with new assets but still the same game.

I say this meaning it could be different from The VII Remake which perhaps is more of a reimagining using the same characters, base story with more and new, and base world and towns.

What do you think? I recall the ff8 tech demo on ps2.. I also think about Crisis Core if it were HD or FFX visual quality .. Not so much something surpassing the 7remake gameplay tease we got in 2015 or FFXVs great visuals.

I would buy.

Edit. Sorry folks. i was more implying thr same backgrounds .. not 3D camera turning to scale as VIIREMAKE is attempting. the combat though could have more angles

Patitoloco · Jul 10, 2018

I havent played it, but I thought people didnt like 8? Maybe it was 9 the one people didnt like.

Its just curiosity.

Dreamboum · Jul 10, 2018

huh ? I don't think Bluepoint has the manpower to make an AAA JRPG with a shit-ton of assets and motion capture needed to make it work.

CrazyAndy · Jul 10, 2018

If they are given enough time, why not? But they have to finish the Demon's Souls Remake/Remaster first...

ZeroX · Jul 10, 2018

Could they? Sure. But as SE pointed out, remaking these JRPGs is a huge undertaking and it's why FFVIIR is split. It's a big beautiful world and recreating it in 3D would be an immense undertaking that'd take a huge amount of money and time. Colossus was a much more intimate game.

Patitoloco said:
I havent played it, but I thought people didnt like 8?

It's one of the more polarizing titles, but it was still very popular, the nostalgia factor is huge and XIII and XV have stolen most of the hatred at this point.

Deleted member 8408 · Jul 10, 2018

Patitoloco said:
I havent played it, but I thought people didnt like 8? Maybe it was 9 the one people didnt like.

Its just curiosity.

Ignore the people that didn't like 8. Those uncultured heathens wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped them across the face.

8 is the best PS1 era FF, I would welcome a remake by Bluepoint.

finalflame · Jul 10, 2018

Nah, they should do IX instead.

Pepin · Jul 10, 2018

GHG said:
Ignore the people that didn't like 8. Those uncultured heathens wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped them across the face.

8 is the best PS1 era FF, I would welcome a remake by Bluepoint.

+1

I wonder how friendly the assets would be to simply reworking/updated for HD considering all the backgrounds were pre-rendered... would probably have to be a ground-up job?

I often think about how nice a modern RPG would be with pre-rendered, locked-camera dungeons/towns. You could make it practically photorealistic, and the character models wouldn't have to take a kicking a al VIII either.

Acquiescence · Jul 10, 2018

They could do a better job remaking VIII than Square Enix will do remaking VII.

Booki · Jul 10, 2018

GHG said:
Ignore the people that didn't like 8. Those uncultured heathens wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped them across the face.

If there was a way to package Laguna with the BGM, we would've extracted all of the worthwhile content from FFVIII. Y'all can go somewhere else with your dog cannons and goofy child soldiers!

entrydenied · Jul 10, 2018

Given that SE didn't keep any HD assets of the pre-rendered backgrounds, I don't think the PS1 games can be properly HD-ed without them redrawing everything. And that will take a lot of manpower.

Pepin · Jul 10, 2018

Booki said:
If there was a way to package Laguna with the BGM, we would've extracted all of the worthwhile content from FFVIII. Y'all can go somewhere else with your dog cannons and goofy child soldiers!

I got something for ya

Kivvi · Jul 10, 2018

A very interesting thought. I'd love it and it wouldn't take 10 years to make it either.
Honestly FF7R should have been something like your idea from the start, but square enix gotta be square enix.

sir_crocodile · Jul 10, 2018

Patitoloco said:
I havent played it, but I thought people didnt like 8? Maybe it was 9 the one people didnt like.

Its just curiosity.

They are all technically great games.

Storywise it's IX>>>VII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VIII which is what you're probably thinking of

Dreamboum · Jul 10, 2018

Booki said:
If there was a way to package Laguna with the BGM, we would've extracted all of the worthwhile content from FFVIII. Y'all can go somewhere else with your dog cannons and goofy child soldiers!

Not the biggest fan of FF8 but it has some cool tracks for sure

neufel · Jul 10, 2018

The best they could do is a remaster by redrawing all the backgrounds in HD.
However I am a fan, and yet even I am not sure that would still be cost efficient enough.

By new standards, those games are ugly as hell.
Pixel art has charm, 3D can be cleaned. But those backgrounds, man. That's a lot of work and I'm not sure SE thinks there's enough cash to make on this.

CO_Andy · Jul 10, 2018

they're better off remaking a smaller RPG like Parasite Eve

Dreamboum · Jul 10, 2018

sir_crocodile said:
They are all technically great games.

Storywise it's IX>>>VII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VIII which is what you're probably thinking of

I think FF8 has a lot more depth than what people lets on but it also has unforgivable writing snafu it never recovers from (the basketball court scene being the most painful and egregious one).

But for example I like how Laguna's movie stint has left an indelible mark on Seifer, who keeps trying to emulate his hero based on one movie. Or how Irvine didn't shoot Edea because he realized that she was the caretaker of the orphanage instead of just being a marksman who can't shoot

SantaC · Jul 10, 2018

FF8 is the greatest game ever

AgentLampshade · Jul 10, 2018

I'd buy it. VIII's great.

Razgriz-Specter · Jul 10, 2018

Honestly I wouldn't even beg for a full remake, i'd be happy with
touched up the prerender stuff, new character models for gameplay, voice acting for key stuff.

tuxfool · Jul 10, 2018

The source code and original assets were lost. So no.

They could entirely remake the game from scratch, given enough resources. It would be an entirely different game at that point.

sredgrin · Jul 10, 2018

I mean, given infinite resources and budget, technically, maybe?

But it's not a project that makes sense. Most of the JRPGs we're seeing getting remakes (or even enhanced ports and remasters) tend to be action focused. The turn based stuff is usually ignored, shunted off to mobile, (or just given a straight port, like FFIX). It's not a project Square would ever pursue, especially as any PSX era game that used a lot of prerendered assets would need a lot of work.

Quinton · Jul 10, 2018

Patitoloco said:
I havent played it, but I thought people didnt like 8? Maybe it was 9 the one people didnt like.

Its just curiosity.

As you can see judging by the replies, Final Fantasy opinions will remain conflicting and borderline-religious whether we're in our teens, our thirties, or even our fifties.

hydrophilic attack · Jul 10, 2018

probably

but why would anyone want this

it's the fourth worst mainline final fantasy

sir_crocodile · Jul 10, 2018

Dreamboum said:
I think FF8 has a lot more depth than what people lets on but it also has unforgivable writing snafu it never recovers from (the basketball court scene being the most painful and egregious one).

But for example I like how Laguna's movie stint has left an indelible mark on Seifer, who keeps trying to emulate his hero based on one movie. Or how Irvine didn't shoot Edea because he realized that she was the caretaker of the orphanage instead of just being a marksman who can't shoot

Yeah, I can quite happily replay it, I just cringe at parts.

hydrophilic attack said:
probably

but why would anyone want this

it's the fourth worst mainline final fantasy

I dunno. I'd rather play VIII at this point then I,II,III,IV,X,XIII & XIV.

Innuendo84 · Jul 10, 2018

No need to remake it. Just watch Spoony Experiment on FFVIII and it's more than enough to serve your needs.

APZonerunner · Jul 10, 2018

The problem with the PS1 FFs is that the original code/background renders/etc are lost to time. This is why the PS4/PC/Mobile ports of 7 and 9 are based off the PC version and emulated, and why while they can sharpen up the 3D models the backgrounds will never be higher resolution than 640x480.

Basically, doing touch-up remasters of those games is very difficult. To do them you'd have to re-render every background from scratch, which would be an enormous amount of work.

Renmyra · Jul 10, 2018

I'd play it if they maybe re-balance it and rework some characters.

Encephalon · Jul 10, 2018

APZonerunner said:
The problem with the PS1 FFs is that the original code/background renders/etc are lost to time. This is why the PS4/PC/Mobile ports of 7 and 9 are based off the PC version and emulated, and why while they can sharpen up the 3D models the backgrounds will never be higher resolution than 640x480.

Basically, doing touch-up remasters of those games is very difficult. To do them you'd have to re-render every background from scratch, which would be an enormous amount of work.

Aren't they also partially drawn, rather than being strictly 3D renders?

DieH@rd · Jul 10, 2018

I would very much like that.

I liked 8 [never finished it though], but 9 never sit well with me [also did not finished it].

NexasX · Jul 10, 2018

While I would be first alongside you guys to be all over this, I'd think the more pragmatic remake to do would be 9. Then again, chances of the Blue Point remake being an FF title is pretty low - unless I missed some huge clue?

hydrophilic attack · Jul 10, 2018

sir_crocodile said:
I dunno. I'd rather play VIII at this point then I,II,III,IV,X,XIII & XIV.

I, X and XIII are all better than VIII

Deleted member 2317 · Jul 10, 2018

There are so, so many more deserving games to choose.

Unless of course they change it to make a better game (rewrite the plot, characters, and mechanics after the first half of the first disc) then it might be good.

Too much work. Do something else.

Jawmuncher · Jul 10, 2018

Only way this would happen is if they're using the base PC version and essentially modding it into a remaster.

Serein · Jul 10, 2018

It's a very divisive game but VIII is actually my favorite FF although I'll concede that most of the criticisms of it are on the button. It has the best FF soundtrack though IMO and that's probably part of the reason.

I'd certainly love to see a remake but I'm not holding my breath. Can't think of anyone better than Bluepoint to do it but they'd need heavy support from SE for a game of this scale.

Razgriz-Specter · Jul 10, 2018

sir_crocodile said:
I dunno. I'd rather play VIII at this point then I,II,III,IV,X,XIII & XIV.

XIV is pretty darn good...
VIII and XIV are my 2 favorites by far.

Vincent Grayson · Jul 10, 2018

I'd still just settle for FF7/FF9-style PS4 port.

zoukka · Jul 10, 2018

Any of the PS1 Final Fantasy is a 10x bigger remake project than SotC. So perhaps if they are given a lot more resources and like 5 years development time. Even then it's not guaranteed to be on time.

Rogote · Jul 10, 2018

Wait, source code was lost? How and why do so many of japanese devs actually lose this stuff?

Fisty · Jul 10, 2018

Nah... it's a couple dozen character models and a ton of prerendered backgrounds. At best we'll get a FFIX on PS4 situation, but maybe with higher res backgrounds since 8 had a PC port early. No reason for Bluepoint to waste time on it when plenty of other dev's could do a good enough job.

Expecting a FFVIII Remake type situation is just fantasyland, FFVII was far more popular and makes sense in that regard... there were zero spinoffs of 8, you'll remember.

BGA · Jul 10, 2018

Why is FF8 not on IOS/Android and PS4? Does not make sense to release FF7, skip FF8 and go to FF9 on those platforms. I really want to experience the game. Last I check, FF8 was more popular than FF9, so it's confusing. Squall is a popular character.

mindatlarge · Jul 10, 2018

I'm not sure what they have in house in terms of development tools, but from playing their past works, they are a very talented bunch. If they had the tools, I don't think they'd disappoint, no matter the IP.

tuxfool · Jul 10, 2018

Shredderi said:
Wait, source code was lost? How and why do so many of japanese devs actually lose this stuff?

It isn't just Japanese developers. A lot of developers from that era and before had surprisingly lax backup strategies.

TheZynster · Jul 10, 2018

Bluepoint would probably actually keep the ATB system in too and not have to change everything for the sake of change. Which means they could probably remake VIII faster than SE is to VII atm.

They probably would fix the awful draw and magic system too.

Batatina · Jul 10, 2018

I don't believe they would be able to do such a huge epic game in any sort of acceptable budget. Final Fantasy 7 is having a huge amount of issues because of the scope, and has recently been turned into an internal project to steer it in the right direction.

I think Bluepoint will likely work on games that are more contained, and Demon Souls is the perfect example.

BasilZero · Jul 10, 2018

finalflame said:
Nah, they should do IX instead.

This but I dont see anything happening at all, remakes? I thought Bluepoint only did remasters.

Edit: nvm, they did SotC PS4 - still cant see them on a Final Fantasy level RPG.

shaneo632 · Jul 10, 2018

Let's wait and see if FF7 Remake actually comes out first.

The Praiseworthy · Jul 10, 2018

Are people forgotten how big and massive FFVIII and FFIX were? Transforming them into big scales full 3D AAA games will not be an easy task.

CRIMSON-XIII · Jul 10, 2018

ZeroX said:
Could they? Sure. But as SE pointed out, remaking these JRPGs is a huge undertaking and it's why FFVIIR is split. It's a big beautiful world and recreating it in 3D would be an immense undertaking that'd take a huge amount of money and time. Colossus was a much more intimate game.

It's one of the more polarizing titles, but it was still very popular, the nostalgia factor is huge and XIII and XV have stolen most of the hatred at this point.

i was thinking because a 1 for 1 perhaps is a bit easier , perhaps with backgrounds being HD and not necessarily 3D camera turning or reimagining as VII remakes full 3d midgar.

So in that sense, i suppose it could be easier. Fixed backgrounds or fixed angles.

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