Hollywood Reporter: Billy Dee Williams returning as Lando Calrissian in Episode IX

Captain Goodnight · Jul 10, 2018

Cheebo said:
All of the heroes of the prequel trilogy died. Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, & Padme. Of course most of the OT heroes would die off as well. These posts are weird. It's just how Star Wars goes. Heroes die off as new generations replace them. It's the way of things. It's not like super hero franchises where you always have a Batman, Superman, etc.

The PT was a tragedy. It was the Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. Of course everyone around him would suffer or die eventually.

The OT was a hero's tale (Luke) about redemption and hope. Old mentors passed gracefully and memorably after doing very important things for the story, in ways that were very satisfying to the story.

The ST is about ?????? fan service? MUHNEWCHARACTERS (c)?? Letting the past die? What kind of message is that?

Cheebo said:
Since Leia has to die off I actually think Lando makes it out alive. Kinda cool if he is the only one to make it through this war.

Glad to hear you like that possibility, but to this life-long Star Wars fan, I find that incredibly unsatisfying and a disservice to the original Big Three. Having none of them go out with really satisfying, emotional deaths or passing of the torch is one of the worst bunglings in cinema history, on par with the casting of Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker.

ZeoVGM · Jul 10, 2018

SillyEskimo said:
They already killed the character in Solo.

Nope. He was great in Solo.

Lupercal · Jul 10, 2018

Man, all the salty fans are already ragging on the new movie aswell.

Visanideth · Jul 10, 2018

To this day, I keep debating with myself if the wonderful job they did setting up Rey and making her a great SW character offsets the Assassination of FN2187 or Finn by the Coward Rian Johnson®.

So right, so wrong.

Deleted member 31817 · Jul 10, 2018

WrenchNinja said:
Why didn't they just have her in the movie. Why bring up all the dumb droid slavery bullshit or that dumb conversation between L3 ans Quira. God, I fucking hate Solo, piece of shit movie.

Eh I thought the droid revolution thing was actually kinda cute with the mouse droid walking all over the computers

UntoldDreams · Jul 10, 2018

Cheebo said:
This is a lie. Period, full stop.

Failed to set up popular new ones? The millions of little girls who have dressed up as Rey for Halloween and look at her like little boys did Luke back in the OT era don't count at all for Rey being a popular new character....because why? Because they are young girls and not middle aged dudes?

Rey is just as important to a generation of young kids, in particular young girls as Luke was for you.

Interesting.

So are you saying the people who aren't happy about all this are simply wrong and their opinions don't matter or do you view this as some kind of social injustice which needs fixing?

I harbor no ill will to you or the franchise. I actually want it to thrive, but I think they (Disney) are making a mistake without getting what they want out of it. I'm not sure if a person who "hates on it without logic" or a person who "defends it full stop" is helpful to a discussion.

Final Point: I don't think they have setup the new characters to live beloved like Mickey Mouse does for the next 20 years like Star Wars achieved with the original cast and I think that was a loss on Disney's part. If you love the movie that's fine.
Good on you. If I'm wrong and spouting LIES the truth will come out soon enough. Episode 9, 10, 11, 12...25 which Disney will undoubtedly want to do will happen eventually.

Blader · Jul 10, 2018

Captain Goodnight said:
Glad to hear you like that possibility, but to this life-long Star Wars fan, I find that incredibly unsatisfying and a disservice to the original Big Three. Having none of them go out with really satisfying, emotional deaths or passing of the torch is one of the worst bunglings in cinema history, on par with the casting of Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker.

It's not really Lucasfilm's fault that Carrie Fisher died.

I don't really find Luke's death all that tragic either.

Bonejack · Jul 10, 2018

Watch him survive the movie, it just fits Lando's character, survive against all odds. ^^

Blader said:
I don't really find Luke's death all that tragic either.

I'm certain that Mark Hamill will be around for IX, after joining the ranks of the other force ghost Jedi masters. Someone has to mock Rey if she takes things too literal again in the movie. ^^

Deleted member 5666 · Jul 10, 2018

Lukes death wasnt tragic at all. He went out on top and won.

Plus he will without question be in IX as well.

Deleted member 5666 · Jul 10, 2018

Anyone trying to push the nonsense claim that none of the new characters are popular or loved needs to crawl back into the hole they came out of. Star Wars isnt made for middle aged dudes. No one at Lucasfilm wants to hear what a guy over 30 wants. Its not about appealing to them first and foremost.

http://i./i/pix/2015/12/12/06/2F4CCA3A00000578-3357062-Meeting_her_match_On_Friday_Daisy_Ridley_was_unable_to_contain_h-a-192_1449901428023.jpg

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

disaster said:
Directed by J.J. Abrams.

This death was way better and more fitting than Luke's

Captain Goodnight · Jul 10, 2018

Sephzilla said:
This death was way better and more fitting than Luke's

And yet it was so lacking in emotional weight and telegraphed that it barely made me feel a thing (and I've loved the character of Han Solo since childhood). Compare this to Qui-Gon, to Obi-Wan, to Yoda, to Vader. All of them were either a surprise or carried great emotional weight. This failed in both of those regards.

The character of Han Solo deserved much better, and considering that this was "better" than Luke's out-of-nowhere and inexplicable ending, Luke deserved so, so much better.

Kyoufu · Jul 10, 2018

Sephzilla said:
This death was way better and more fitting than Luke's

I thought it lacked emotional weight tbh. Plus you could see Kylo doing that from a mile away. So lame. :(

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Captain Goodnight said:
And yet it was so lacking in emotional weight and telegraphed that it barely made me feel a thing. Compare this to Qui-Gon, to Obi-Wan, to Yoda, to Vader. All of them were either a surprise or carried great emotional weight. This failed in both of those regards.

The character of Han Solo deserved much better, and considering that this was "better" than Luke's out-of-nowhere and inexplicable ending, Luke deserved so, so much better.

Kyoufu said:
I thought it lacked emotional weight tbh. Plus you could see Kylo doing that from a mile away. So lame. :(

The fact that it was telegraphed is what I think made the moment better. The moment Han and Leia talk about the possibility of trying to bring back Ben, the seed of "oh god, is Han going to die" is planted in your head and by the time Han steps out onto that bridge you already feel the dread of knowing it's coming.

Kyoufu · Jul 10, 2018

Sephzilla said:
The fact that it was telegraphed is what I think made the moment better. The moment Han and Leia talk about the possibility of trying to bring back Ben, the seed of "oh god, is Han going to die" is planted in your head and by the time Han steps out onto that bridge you already feel the dread of knowing it's coming.

Yeah but I gotta agree with Mark Hamill when he says he should have been there to see it.

What's worse I thought was that right after Kylo Ren takes down one of the most beloved characters in the series he loses a fight with a rookie, so selling him as a bad guy failed because they made him look like a jobber in the end.

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Kyoufu said:
Yeah but I gotta agree with Mark Hamill when he says he should have been there to see it.

What's worse I thought was that right after Kylo Ren takes down one of the most beloved characters in the series he loses a fight with a rookie, so selling him as a bad guy failed because they made him look like a jobber in the end.

It does bug me that nobody has mourned for Han yet

Deleted member 5666 · Jul 10, 2018

Kyoufu said:
Yeah but I gotta agree with Mark Hamill when he says he should have been there to see it.

What's worse I thought was that right after Kylo Ren takes down one of the most beloved characters in the series he loses a fight with a rookie, so selling him as a bad guy failed because they made him look like a jobber in the end.

If Luke was there to see it then he would be there to face Kylo and take away that moment from Rey.

Rey is the focus. Rey is who the series is about. Sticking Luke there at the TFA final battle destroys the focus. This trilogy is about Rey. Nothing should take focus and attention away from her.

She doesn't have her moment with Luke if he is on starkiller base with them.

Sephzilla said:
It does bug me that nobody has mourned for Han yet

Luke did in TLJ. The scene of him alone in the hut.

Chewie did at the end of TFA, that scene of him alone in the dark.

Blader · Jul 10, 2018

Kyoufu said:
Yeah but I gotta agree with Mark Hamill when he says he should have been there to see it.

What's worse I thought was that right after Kylo Ren takes down one of the most beloved characters in the series he loses a fight with a rookie, so selling him as a bad guy failed because they made him look like a jobber in the end.

Kylo was shot in the gut before that fight, and I imagine it's much easier for someone with Force powers and a lightsaber to kill someone who doesn't have these things (especially when they're completely open to it) than it is to kill someone who does have those things.

I love Hamill, but by his own admission it has taken him a long time to not see these movies as still starring Luke. Luke is not the hero of this trilogy, Rey is, and it would be hugely jarring - and completely dominate Han's death and the aftermath - to have Luke suddenly appear then and there.

Deleted member 5666 · Jul 10, 2018

Blader said:
Kylo was shot in the gut before that fight, and I imagine it's much easier for someone with Force powers and a lightsaber to kill someone who doesn't have these things (especially when they're completely open to it) than it is to kill someone who does have those things.

Michael Ardnt said it best, if you had Luke in TFA it pulls focus away from Rey which breaks the movie. The movie had to remain Reys story. Rey had to be the one to face Kylo at the end of TFA as her heroic moment of accepting her destiny.

Dan Thunder · Jul 10, 2018

I'll believe it when it's confirmed. I just don't see the point beyond fan service.

He wasn't an essential character in the original trilogy and could have pretty easily been written out so I don't know what would warrant bringing him back beyond a fuzzy feeling of nostalgia.

They've tried in the last two films to push away from the legacy characters and now they're at the point where the new ones are completely at the forefront they're going to suddenly drag another one back out, and a secondary one at that?

sphagnum · Jul 10, 2018

Dan Thunder said:
I'll believe it when it's confirmed. I just don't see the point beyond fan service.

He wasn't an essential character in the original trilogy and could have pretty easily been written out so I don't know what would warrant bringing him back beyond a fuzzy feeling of nostalgia.

They've tried in the last two films to push away from the legacy characters and now they're at the point where the new ones are completely at the forefront they're going to suddenly drag another one back out, and a secondary one at that?

It's the final battle. Why not bring together everyone you can?

Objektivity · Jul 10, 2018

Cheebo said:
This is a lie. Period, full stop.

Failed to set up popular new ones? The millions of little girls who have dressed up as Rey for Halloween and look at her like little boys did Luke back in the OT era don't count at all for Rey being a popular new character....because why? Because they are young girls and not middle aged dudes?

Rey is just as important to a generation of young kids, in particular young girls as Luke was for you. If you don't think Rey is a beloved character like Luke, Obi-Wan, etc, are then you just have your head in the sand.

You might be overestimating the popularity of the new characters just a smidge. I think little girls are way more into Wonder Woman than Rey but that's another topic.

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Dan Thunder said:
I'll believe it when it's confirmed. I just don't see the point beyond fan service.

He wasn't an essential character in the original trilogy and could have pretty easily been written out so I don't know what would warrant bringing him back beyond a fuzzy feeling of nostalgia.

They've tried in the last two films to push away from the legacy characters and now they're at the point where the new ones are completely at the forefront they're going to suddenly drag another one back out, and a secondary one at that?

He blew up the second Death Star and was a general in the Rebellion

FracturedGoat · Jul 10, 2018

Kyoufu said:
Yeah but I gotta agree with Mark Hamill when he says he should have been there to see it.

What's worse I thought was that right after Kylo Ren takes down one of the most beloved characters in the series he loses a fight with a rookie, so selling him as a bad guy failed because they made him look like a jobber in the end.

Well Kylo had a massive injury and his state of mind was completely screwed, so I don't think it made him look like a jobber.

Also at the last Star Wars event last year, Billy looked completely out of it. I do expect him to do a heroic sacrific in the Falcon and would be happy with that. Chewie will probably be the only survivor from the OT characters. (non droids at least).

Yourfawthaaa · Jul 10, 2018

ViewtifulJC said:
"Let the past die...wow a powerful message...hope JJ took the criticism of TFA rehash feel to heart for IX"

*Old ass Lando wheeled out*

"Fuck"

Lmao

But yeah dont kill lando

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

Awesome to hear that BDW might be back. I've got to imagine that the sudden attack of Starkiller Base on Hosnian Prime system and then the immediate blitzkrieg on the galaxy by the First Order has thrown shit into disarray and made it extremely difficult for any of Leia's allies to respond in any significant way to her distress call from Crait. Hopefully Lando is a part of a collective gathering of allies now in the aftermath of TFA/TLJ and I'd love to see him play a significant role as a returning General.

Dan Thunder · Jul 10, 2018

Sephzilla said:
He blew up the second Death Star and was a general in the Rebellion

They could quite easily have had the character killed off after betraying Han at Cloud City and Leia/Chewie somehow escape through their own efforts. The rest of his contributions could have passed onto a different character without a great deal of effort. As I said straight after the bit you quoted he could have easily have been written out of the films.

He was good for a side character and Billy Dee Williams brought a lot of charisma to him but in the scheme of things there's no real need or reason to bring Lando back.

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

P.S. Lando is arguably the biggest hero of the Rebellion. Dude rescued Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker from capture by the Empire, helped rescue Han Solo from Jabba, and blew up the second Death Star.

ZeoVGM · Jul 10, 2018

I don't believe this is going to be some large role like with Han, Luke and Leia.

Dan Thunder · Jul 10, 2018

sphagnum said:
It's the final battle. Why not bring together everyone you can?

Like I said, I don't see the point beyond having the audience saying "OMG LOOK, LANDO'S BACK!"

The three protaganists from the original trilogy had a connection and purpose with the new leads, which Lando doesn't.

Now if JJ Abrams has a cunning plan on how to use the character beyond a nod to the original films I'll happily admit I was wrong but for now I just don't see a story reason to have him appear.

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

ViewtifulJC said:
"Let the past die...wow a powerful message...hope JJ took the criticism of TFA rehash feel to heart for IX"

*Old ass Lando wheeled out*

"Fuck"

Ah yes, the movie that tries to push the message of "let the past die" before ending the movie with an AT-AT attack on Salt Hoth

Gustaf · Jul 10, 2018

Dan Thunder said:
Like I said, I don't see the point beyond having the audience saying "OMG LOOK, LANDO'S BACK!"

The three protaganists from the original trilogy had a connection and purpose with the new leads, which Lando doesn't.

Now if JJ Abrams has a cunning plan on how to use the character beyond a nod to the original films I'll happily admit I was wrong but for now I just don't see a story reason to have him appear.

lando is finn's dad so there is you connection

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

Lando potentially has a special connection with Ben, as a stand in uncle, maybe even godfather. I can't really see his role being this significant or what circumstances would lead to Lando speaking to Kylo but can you imagine if Lando had a role in either ending Ben or saving him? I know that will probably be the role more likely for Luke ghost and Rey but man Lando could be a key there too.

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Dan Thunder said:
Like I said, I don't see the point beyond having the audience saying "OMG LOOK, LANDO'S BACK!"

The three protaganists from the original trilogy had a connection and purpose with the new leads, which Lando doesn't.

Now if JJ Abrams has a cunning plan on how to use the character beyond a nod to the original films I'll happily admit I was wrong but for now I just don't see a story reason to have him appear.

Part of the reason Lando might be coming back is because of Carrie Fisher's death, to be honest. No Leia in episode 9 means we have no old guard general to mentor the new generation through the final battle with the First Order. And given that Lando was a general in the Rebellion, it's possible that he might be the highest ranking surviving member of the New Republic at this point.

Plus for all we know Lando could also be Kylo Ren's Godfather.

MagicHobo · Jul 10, 2018

Lando is a recognizable face and, presumably, one of Leia's closest allies. He isn't important enough to fill the Han, Leia, or Luke roles, but he's big enough that it would be weird if he didn't show up to help the good guys in the end.

I can't imagine him playing a prominent role, but he's the kinda guy to have resources and connections. Not unlike Maz Kanata in VIII, except on a much larger and more immediately beneficial scale. Maybe a deal will be going south, then Lando shows up, winks at Rey/Finn/Rose and gets it done. Then as they are walking away Finn says "I wanna be that guy" and Rey is like "he was so charming" and then Rose is like "guys, that was LANDO CALRISSIAN" then Finn and Rey echo their fangirling when they met Han.

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

Does Last Shot cast any light as to what Lando did after ROTJ? Didn't he return to Cloud City in the Aftermath books?

Quiksaver · Jul 10, 2018

UntoldDreams said:
Interesting.

So are you saying the people who aren't happy about all this are simply wrong and their opinions don't matter or do you view this as some kind of social injustice which needs fixing?

I harbor no ill will to you or the franchise. I actually want it to thrive, but I think they (Disney) are making a mistake without getting what they want out of it. I'm not sure if a person who "hates on it without logic" or a person who "defends it full stop" is helpful to a discussion.

Final Point: I don't think they have setup the new characters to live beloved like Mickey Mouse does for the next 20 years like Star Wars achieved with the original cast and I think that was a loss on Disney's part. If you love the movie that's fine.
Good on you. If I'm wrong and spouting LIES the truth will come out soon enough. Episode 9, 10, 11, 12...25 which Disney will undoubtedly want to do will happen eventually.

Wish I could make profitable mistakes like those.
Seriously, what do you think Disney wants out of this? The respect of random dudes on the internet?
That's not bread, man
And you are not spouting truth or LIES, that's just your opinion

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

MagicHobo said:
Lando is a recognizable face and, presumably, one of Leia's closest allies. He isn't important enough to fill the Han, Leia, or Luke roles, but he's big enough that it would be weird if he didn't show up to help the good guys in the end.

I can't imagine him playing a prominent role, but he's the kinda guy to have resources and connections. Not unlike Maz Kanata in VIII, except on a much larger and more immediately beneficial scale. Maybe a deal will be going south, then Lando shows up, winks at Rey/Finn/Rose and gets it done. Then as they are walking away Finn says "I wanna be that guy" and Rey is like "he was so charming" and then Rose is like "guys, that was LANDO CALRISSIAN" then Finn and Rey echo their fangirling when they met Han.

That would be a great way to do it. I'd love something more substantial for him, but more likely than not it's a small thing like you describe.

Blunoise · Jul 10, 2018

Cheebo said:
Anyone trying to push the nonsense claim that none of the new characters are popular or loved needs to crawl back into the hole they came out of. Star Wars isnt made for middle aged dudes. No one at Lucasfilm wants to hear what a guy over 30 wants. Its not about appealing to them first and foremost.

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i guess star wars is Rey Wars....no one talks about Finn and Poe.....oh right because they butcher their roles and made them less important in the story instead of creating them all on equal grounds. Finn background could have been so much if they went through his family history, like how he was captured from his family or born in it, he could had been anti-social and gradually eas up being around rey in the first 2 movies, maybe he had his own self discovery journey, even if he wasnt force-sensitive it would still had made him a more competent, interesting and awesome character (btw he looks so good with a saber in his hands)

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Lando should just show up asking for the Falcon back

The Almighty Tria · Jul 10, 2018

I hope he doesn't get recast in Episode X as Tommy Lee Jones

SELIG · Jul 10, 2018

Oh shit, I can't wait for the Lando reunion with Nien Nunb

Captain Goodnight · Jul 10, 2018

Cheebo said:
If Luke was there to see it then he would be there to face Kylo and take away that moment from Rey.

Rey is the focus. Rey is who the series is about. Sticking Luke there at the TFA final battle destroys the focus. This trilogy is about Rey. Nothing should take focus and attention away from her.

She doesn't have her moment with Luke if he is on starkiller base with them..

Cheebo said:
Michael Ardnt said it best, if you had Luke in TFA it pulls focus away from Rey which breaks the movie. The movie had to remain Reys story. Rey had to be the one to face Kylo at the end of TFA as her heroic moment of accepting her destiny.

They bent over backwards to write the story to showcase the new characters and sacrificed the integrity of the old beloved characters to do so.

They've outright admitted that they authored the OT character's stories and screentime to make sure to not get in the way of new characters. That is not, not, NOT how you write a good story, particularly a story that includes beloved characters that have been fleshed out by three full movies.

Technically Obi-Wan had 3 movies leading up to Episode IV --- so did Anakin Skywalker (Vader) and Yoda. Luke, Leia and Han were the new characters. Did George Lucas write Obi Wan's and Vader's stories for Episode IV - VI strictly to make sure Luke, Leia and Han got the limelight?

NO --- Obi-Wan, Vader and Yoda got the story that they deserved in a way that was amazingly satisfying and true to their character arcs. They got the screentime that the story (a damn good story) demanded, NOT the screentime that was required to make sure that Luke, Leia and Han remained at the forefront.

The entire ST should have been different. Here are the major things that needed to be different about the approach that Abrams, Kasdan etc. took when writing the story:

- Write the story that should be told. Don't bend that story and twist the screentime and character arcs of beloved old characters just to make sure that they don't get in the way of your precious new characters.

- Don't approach the character arcs feeling that you need to do something that defies expectations, just for the sake of defying expectations.
Fans think Han and Leia are still together? We'll show them!
Fans think Luke is a great, wise Jedi Master? HAH! I know what will surprise them!!!
Fans think Snoke is Plagieus? WOW, they will never believe the true answer, that his character is so trivial and expendable that his backstory never needs explaining --- they will be so surprised!!!
Fans are interested in Rey's parents? Hmmm.....what would be the answer that no one would guess (Rian Johnson actually admits to this being his central motivation while brainstorming Rey's backstory).............her parents are nobody-no-names!!! Junk traders that abandoned her! WOW, fans will be #SOSURPRISED .

Deleted member 4034 · Jul 10, 2018

Visanideth said:
To this day, I keep debating with myself if the wonderful job they did setting up Rey and making her a great SW character offsets the Assassination of FN2187 or Finn by the Coward Rian Johnson®.

So right, so wrong.

sigh ...

Dan Thunder said:
Like I said, I don't see the point beyond having the audience saying "OMG LOOK, LANDO'S BACK!"

The three protaganists from the original trilogy had a connection and purpose with the new leads, which Lando doesn't.

Now if JJ Abrams has a cunning plan on how to use the character beyond a nod to the original films I'll happily admit I was wrong but for now I just don't see a story reason to have him appear.

Did the TLJ not end with a call for help to most of the Galaxy. Is it that hard to imagine that Lando heard that call and went, yeah, sure.

BigWinnie1 · Jul 10, 2018

Gustaf said:
lando is finn's dad so there is you connection

If he is I'm going to fucking rage like no other. Like do all the black people in the universe have to be related. We have like 3. 2 of which aren't related and are cool but weren't main characters.

So when we get a black main character and they have to make him related to the only other black guy we know?

They hopefully wont be that stupid.

Visanideth · Jul 10, 2018

Shin Bobo Dakes said:
sigh ...

C'mon, you can like or dislike TLJ but everyone agrees that Finn was done dirty. He deserved more.

Deleted member 4034 · Jul 10, 2018

Visanideth said:
C'mon, you can like or dislike TLJ but everyone agrees that Finn was done dirty. He deserved more.

Character assassination. I'm sighing at your dramatics.

I don't even think the people who disliked the first Mission Impossible bitched this hard, and they actually had a reason to be upset.

Sephzilla · Jul 10, 2018

Shin Bobo Dakes said:
Character assassination. I'm sighing at your dramatics.

I don't even think the people who disliked the first Mission Impossible bitched this hard, and they actually had a reason to be upset.

TLJ kind of did sideline Finn pretty hard though

sphagnum · Jul 10, 2018

SELIG said:
Does Last Shot cast any light as to what Lando did after ROTJ? Didn't he return to Cloud City in the Aftermath books?

He returned to Cloud City and founded a droid manufacturing company. He's also treated as Ben's uncle (Ben calls him Uncle Wanwo).

Deleted member 4034 · Jul 10, 2018

Sephzilla said:
TLJ kind of did sideline Finn pretty hard though

Side line /= character assassination

Also, he carried a third of the movie. You all just didn't like that third.

There's a difference.

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