who hasn't grasped that? most are curious to see what happens after beating all 8 paths
these strawmen lol
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who hasn't grasped that? most are curious to see what happens after beating all 8 paths
these strawmen lol
Seriously this.
It's all the more baffling how some of the people who are yearning for this are simultaneously dismissing the eight stories as alternative based on their quality.
If one thinks that writing and characterization in those is bad, why would that final quest be any better? Wouldn't it be the same quality of writing in a more bog-standard set up? Why would it be the saving grace?
I mean, it's obvious, isn't it? You could theoretically only have recruited four characters the whole time. The writing wouldn't allow all 8 to come together for an epilogue in that case.
Eh, it isn't conclusive unless he says the "final boss theme" belongs to one of the character stories.
At least two of the games from the era and developer that this game homages required beating all characters to fight a real final boss (Rudras and Live a Live.) Even had credit rolls, I think?
But, yeah, the focus is on the individual stories. Any finale would only be like 5% of the game. If somebody doesn't like open world games with a focus on separate plot arcs, this isn't the game for them.
Stop with the strawmen. Speculating on whether there's a final "joint" chapter or not does not mean that you believe the existence of one will be the "salvation" for the rest of the game, it'll simply be a nice extra to what we already know exists.
I think you are just putting way too much weight on the whole "but he didn't finish all 8 stories" thing. The game apparently makes it very clear that the narrative is over for every specific character at a certain point; their story is completely wrapped up and the end game credits roll. That's a pretty universal sign for "this is done". Now you can choose to hope that this is just subversion by the designers and there actually is some secret final chapter where everyone all of a sudden has a common goal/enemy/etc, but the conclusion Jason has come to based on what the game is presenting is absolutely rational.
I've played games where the story keeps going after the credits roll, one of them is called nier
Let me be clear.
This guy wrote: "Towards the beginning, it's a series of vignettes that tell individual stories that hold up on their own, followed by huge payoffs that deal with the ensemble cast."
That is 100% not true. It is misinformation. Whether or not there is some sort of bonus when you've finished all of the characters, this is a game about eight entirely different stories, each with a beginning, middle, and end. To say "towards the beginning, it's a series of vignettes" and "followed by huge payoffs that deal with the ensemble cast" is entirely misleading, no matter what may happen post-credits.
By all means feel free to drive yourself crazy hunting for clues that there's some big mystery here, or you can just listen to someone who has seen the credits of the game and is telling you that the characters' stories all end on very conclusive notes, wrapping up their tales and hitting the emotional beats you'd expect from endings. I wouldn't be totally shocked if maybe you unlock some sort of tough dungeon after beating all eight, but each story has an arc of its own. You will enjoy them far, far less if you are just waiting for them all to intersect.
And with that, I'm done posting in Octopath threads until my review is up - see you guys then.
But does there being 1 boss after completing all the stories really change anything? Tweet was talking about there being a huge payoff at the end, I wouldn't call that a huge payoff.
I have been reading the thread and I haven't seen anyone having a hard time grasping that he's beaten 4 of the 8 paths
I don't know if people are holding on to the fact that this dev plays around with expectations when it comes to secret parts of the game ala Bravely Default, but maybe wait to play it or read a full review before getting despondent. I'm personally still early in the game and my own review won't be out for sometime seeing how long this game is and the fact that my wife gave birth last week :p
All that said, I'm really enjoying the combat system a heck of a lot, the visual style is amazing and the OST is well, I'm sure you know already. But each story is surprisingly engaging and yeah it's odd that they don't interact much and that there might not be an overarching plot but I'm so invested in each of their arcs that for me personally it doesn't matter. I can't say much but, maybe chill a bit lol It's a maddening road to go down overanalyzing a game that's yet to be released. I get that we all have our own expectations but that's the just the nature of video games, sometimes they won't meet it, but who knows it may deliver a pleasant experience you weren't expecting at all.
All that said, I'm really enjoying the combat system a heck of a lot, the visual style is amazing and the OST is well, I'm sure you know already. But each story is surprisingly engaging and yeah it's odd that they don't interact much and that there might not be an overarching plot but I'm so invested in each of their arcs that for me personally it doesn't matter. I can't say much but, maybe chill a bit lol It's a maddening road to go down overanalyzing a game that's yet to be released. I get that we all have our own expectations but that's the just the nature of video games, sometimes they won't meet it, but who knows it may deliver a pleasant experience you weren't expecting at all.
Maybe you'll get this screen when you've beaten all eight scenarios and sit through the very last credit roll...
I mean, why wouldn't I put weight on that when nobody has ever said that the "final chapter" would appear after doing 4 stories? It's been "there is something after finishing all 8 stories" pretty much this entire time.
That and just because the character's story is over doesn't mean there can't be an extra story after that, NieR, NieR Automata, MGSV, Kid Icarus Uprising all have extra content after their first "conclusive" endings, why would that be impossible here? Again, Schreier's point is simply speculation and his final post in this thread seems to be saying that he doesn't deny the existence of a final chapter, it can't be taken as proof of no final chapter as he's pretty much working on similar speculation to what we're working on here.
I agree that it doesn't change much plot or character-wise. I just want endgame content and dungeons and boss fights that is set at the level that assumes you've done all 8 main quests.
I'm sure plenty feel this way but then why is this 9th story versus J Schreier the thread?
But he never said there isn't a possible final chapter. He said the game isn't a series of smaller stories that snowball into a big one, which is what people were expecting based on the tweet. The individual stories clearly appear to be the majority of the game here and they don't seem to snowball into anything?
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The entire roller-coaster of this thread is "there is a story where they are all together, what J Schreier is saying about player interactions is false, and then "no there isn't in anything I've seen" and then new tweet claims "wait until the end"" It is ping-ponging between a lot of people despairing about a lack of player interactions and inter-connectivity in the story and then an ephemeral final chapter is held in front of people.
You don't see how the two are being held in opposition?
Will post it few hours before JP ver. unlocked, which should be on the midnight of the release.
I appreciate your posting in this thread
however you're still not at a point to call that tweet 100% misinformation. obviously this will be a semantics thing but 8 individual stories that hold up on their own sounds like 8 individual stories with a beginning, middle, and end. that's how I'm taking it, anyway. so if there is a bonus after having beaten all 8 paths then it would follow the individual stories that were said to hold up on their own.
also your post about seeing credits after beating 4 of the 8 paths lends some credence to this tweet
that tweet implies that there is a point in the game where reviewers might feel comfortable jumping off the game and writing their review, after having seen the credits roll, and that there might be something that they will miss if they do that
all of that is to say you very well could be right and these tweets are nothing more than misinformation. distinct possibility. however you aren't at a point where you can say that with any kind of certainty. that's really it. there could be something, there could be nothing.
looking forward to your review and despite my issues with your handling of this thread I appreciate all the work you do
That's clear now but originally it seemed like he was denying the existence of any sort of final chapter. People on both sides of the fence )I took that as the meaning because why wouldn't we? It's just as valid an interpretation based on that original post. Now that he's clarified it I don't see why people are still using it as a definitive answer for why there's no final chapter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not "defending" the game here or anything like that, but I'm just tired of the strawmen arguments that have seemed to pop up when all that's really happening is regular-old speculation.
Honestly at this point, just assume there's nothing and if you enjoy the game well enough to complete all 8 stories, maybe you'll get a pleasant surprise at the end. All the talk over whether there's conclusive word on minor postgame content or not feels so minimal over discussing what we already know is the primary experience of the game.
I wonder, by all accounts the game is shaping to be a success on the strength of pre-orders alone, so if they ever made a sequel in the same style, would they continue doing more with Orsterra, or reconstruct a whole new continent to explore? There's so much focus on the world more than the characters in the game design here and it sounds like everyone in the cast gets some sort of closure, so a sequel would be wide open with possibilites in what kind of stories to tell and where to tell them.
I know I'm getting ahead of myself with that, but I'd rather speculate there over this game's final hour.
I wonder, by all accounts the game is shaping to be a success on the strength of pre-orders alone, so if they ever made a sequel in the same style, would they continue doing more with Orsterra, or reconstruct a whole new continent to explore? There's so much focus on the world more than the characters in the game design here and it sounds like everyone in the cast gets some sort of closure, so a sequel would be wide open with possibilites in what kind of stories to tell and where to tell them.
I know I'm getting ahead of myself with that, but I'd rather speculate there over this game's final hour.
Maybe you'll get this screen when you've beaten all eight scenarios and sit through the very last credit roll...
The tweet implies many things. This is a non-statement until said person clarifies their stance in more detail.
I don't even know why a journalist would say that. He just wants to lay the groundwork for people to fling shit at journalists regardless of what they say.
God damn watching Schreier get egg on his face over and over in this thread is fun
I also think it was pretty clear that the 8 stories wouldn't directly intersect and the final story (if any) would be hinted at throughout the stories rather than a culmination of everything to that point. Still feeling some kind of evil god superboss, it's still a damn JRPG
And and most people won't beat all 8 stories regardless of secret final chapter
I also think it was pretty clear that the 8 stories wouldn't directly intersect and the final story (if any) would be hinted at throughout the stories rather than a culmination of everything to that point. Still feeling some kind of evil god superboss, it's still a damn JRPG
And and most people won't beat all 8 stories regardless of secret final chapter
also a possibility, reading through the tweet thread it does seem like that person has a problem with how reviews for longer jrpgs are done. cites problems with xenoblade, persona 5, and ff15 reviews.
either way my point was more of a non point, none of us can really say anything definitively right now and until schreier beats all 8 paths neither can he
so we wait
Ys 8 is fantastic. You'll get your $60 worth out of that for sure. I've only played it on the PS4, but I'm sure the Switch version is similar in quality. I know they've been patching it a bunch so look into that before anything.
It depends on what type of combat system you're in the mood for.
I have no idea what's going on in this thread. People are disappointed with early impressions of the game?
On the contrary, previews have been great. We're all just getting bent out of shape over things that may or may not happen at the ending that we have no proof as of yet one way or the other and existence is futile and heat death will someday consume the universe.
No everyone likes the game. We just want to know if you get to fight god at the end of it.
I had a really cool moment yesterday playing the demo.
I started with Cyrus and so had his scrutinise ability, I then went and got Tressa and then Olberic.
When I got to the town with Olberic in it I went around with Cyrus first scrutinizing everyone, this unlocked a hidden item in one of the houses that was blocked by a villager.
So I started the first chapter of Olberic's story, beat the shit out of the villager (and everyone else, no wonder they get raided by bandits) got into the house and picked up the item which turned out to be a very strong spear for Olberic.
I liked the synergy between their 2 abilities and how it unlocked something by using both
I started with Cyrus and so had his scrutinise ability, I then went and got Tressa and then Olberic.
When I got to the town with Olberic in it I went around with Cyrus first scrutinizing everyone, this unlocked a hidden item in one of the houses that was blocked by a villager.
So I started the first chapter of Olberic's story, beat the shit out of the villager (and everyone else, no wonder they get raided by bandits) got into the house and picked up the item which turned out to be a very strong spear for Olberic.
I liked the synergy between their 2 abilities and how it unlocked something by using both
I for one find it interesting that we'd have an rpg with separate stories that don't necessarily intersect. The world is a big place, not everyone will necessarily interact together.
But if the game is fun, why does it matter?
This.
it doesn't we just aren't playing the game yet and have to talk about something
It doesn't, and I'm fine with either outcome. This is all just arguing for the sake of arguing.
No idea what you fight but the final boss theme is amazing.
