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The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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FYI, major plot spoilers in the Sopranos are in this post, but mostly the third paragraph.

It's up there. If it's not the best ever, then it's in the conversation.

My favorite ever is the Sopranos, because for me, it's just the right mix serial drama but light-hearted at moments, and I feel like you can generally watch any episode of the Sopranos alone or in sequence and still enjoy them. The Wire is great, but I haven't watched it since it came out or shortly after it went off the air, and if you threw me into the middle of Season 3, in a random episode, it'd be really hard to understand what's going on because as the show goes on it becomes more and more difficult to understand what's happening without understanding the sequence of events that led up to it.

I think the Sopranos is mostly unique in that way, especially compared to today where you have really heavily serialized shows that are very tough to follow unless you've stuck with the sequence. The Sopranos was good about making almost every episode have an independent plot within that episode, and so you can watch them either as a serialized show one after the other, or as independent episodes alone. The Wire is not nearly as bad as some contemporary shows (for instance, if you miss even 20 minutes of Westworld, a later episode might make no sense or and other shows have completely abandoned the idea of telling stories within an episode, and every episode of a show is just fodder for the greater story arc of that season).

So, for me, I usually put the Sopranos at #1, and the Wire at #2. I think the Wire might be better but I end up liking the Sopranos more. There are moments in the Wire that have affected me more than in the Sopranos... like Adrianna's death, Chrissy's death, and so on, really got to me in The Sopranos. But, when I talk about the Wire I still say "... fucking Wallace, man..." and "ugh... Dookie..." "Man, stringer..." and I like shake my head when I talk about them. THe WIre, in that way, draws more emotion out of me than most other notable events in the Sopranos perhaps other than Adrianna's murder... which is one of the most memorable moments of media for me, one of those moments where I sat in my chair for like 60 seconds after it happened and was like ".. holy shit."
 
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lucas_hood

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So many of the deaths got to me in that show. Wallace's death destroyed me. Poor kid didn't deserve that. And then, amazingly, Bodies death was tragic too. I hated him when he killed Wallace, but by the end, when he got killed, it also wrecked me. That moment when McNulty, in a fit of mutual respect, says "You're a soldier, Bodie." and Bodie replies "Hell yeah." That's such a badass back and forth. It's basically a eulogy for Bodie. Even took place in a cemetery. His revelation that the game is rigged is so on point. I fucking LOVE the imagery of the scene. Bodie talking about being a pawn on the chess board, and the scene beginning with him literally in the pawn's position, with the king looking down on him.

I knew the show was awesome when Omar and Avon got in that first shootout, and it was tense as hell, and I had no idea who I was supposed to "pull" for. I didn't want either to die in that moment, because I saw both of their perspectives. But they were both awful people. I was just gripped.


"Damn right."
 

rickyson33

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Nov 23, 2017
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it's really hard for me to pick between The Wire and The Simpsons

doesn't help that they're completely different types of show so tough to compare by default
 

Geist

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like seasons 1-3 and the big moments of 4 are worthy of some acknowledgement. The drop off after season 4 is huge sure but the universe has an enormous amount of depth, the production values are the best in history, and the big moments in seasons 1-4 are worth the buildup.

That being said, Hannibal is #1

And every list should have Avatar TLA in the top 5
I'd say the fact that GOT's major drop off in quality really came after the show really diverted from the source material only proves my statement that D&D are hacks. It's not that I don't find GOT entertaining, it's that GOT has far too much competition when it comes to great television. Production value should certainly get a mention, but more like how Suicide Squad got an Oscar for make-up. That doesn't mean it's in the running for Best Picture.

I will agree that Avatar TLA should be in the running though.

But really, anyone who's watched it knows The Leftovers is the greatest television drama ever made.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Absolutely

All that brilliance packed into season 1-4 is unrivaled and all its messages and themes are as significant as ever.
 

Yossarian

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's the best serialised TV show I've ever seen for sure. Brasseye is my favourite outright though.
 

ty_hot

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Dec 14, 2017
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I am sure it isn't the best show ever made, but reading the thread title made me instantly miss Organ is the new black. Went to Netflix and saw that there is a new season of Glow, which is also not the greatest show, but hey, its great. Thanks.
 

Murkas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Probably tied with The Sopranos. Only other show that I would put with them is Rome. They're my trinity. What I probably love the most about these shows is, shit just happens. No typical TV show style dramatic plot twists, character betrayals, cliffhanger cut to commercial endings, dead characters coming back to life out of nowhere crap. Also these shows are hilarious at times, comedies without trying to be a comedy.

Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones (I checked out at around S4) are no where near. Surprised people hold these shows so highly, probably nerd fandom idk.
 

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One of the moments in the wire that sticks out to me the most is when Stringer yells "I don't do this gangster shit anymore!" while facing Omar and Brother Methuselah. He's blinded by "legitimacy." You don't do gangster shit anymore? You tried to order a hit on a senator like a day before!
 

Bo Neslek

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No.

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gozu

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dead souls

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I've had it on my list (and DVR) for a while since I'm a "computer guy" but that "low" IMDB rating has dissuaded me from watching it. Can you convince me otherwise?

Season one is pretty weak, but seasons two through four are some of the best television that has aired in the past decade. I'd say it's neck and neck with Better Call Saul to be the second best AMC show of all time (after Breaking Bad).
 

sph3re

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Oct 28, 2017
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Do you seriously think that Full Metal Alchemist is the pinnacle of Japanese animation?

Follow-up question - Are you a fourteen year old boy?
We're talking about television series, not movies. Anime movies are some dope shit, I honestly haven't seen a televised anime series better than FMA: Brotherhood and even that isn't even remotely good as something like Breaking Bad.
 

Amnixia

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Jan 25, 2018
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My personal favorite is still Lilyhammer. Shame Netflix cancelled it, but both The Wire and The Sopranos are really great shows.
 

MDSVeritas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Funniest post of the thread :)


I've had it on my list (and DVR) for a while since I'm a "computer guy" but that "low" IMDB rating has dissuaded me from watching it. Can you convince me otherwise?

As dead souls mentioned, it's probably the first seasons scores dragging it down. Season one is still incredibly entertaining, but it's decidedly more uneven than the later seasons.

The magical thing about it, though, is the show uses that unevenness as a place to grow from. The unlikable things about the characters from season one are directly brought into the light and addressed as they're growing. The show is built on a foundation of about five characters and takes place over a total course of ten years, and each character by the end is so shockingly different from the one at the beginning, but with a distinct through-line that makes it clear they're still the same person, but defined by the intervening events of the show's four seasons.

The thing about HaCF is that it's about computers and such for sure (every season is satisfying to watch as an enthusiast because they touch on various real tech developments from 1984-1994 in pretty accurate ways) but it's less just about computers, it's about the people who are compelled to be part of the next big things, the people who want so desperately to build, to create, to be on that bleeding edge. No single show captures the struggle, suffering, and absolute thrill of what it means to be part of the driving force of the future. Even knowing that somebody will come along to do the next big thing after. And the people you're in the trenches with then can just as easily by your best friends or worst enemies, and this show understands that incredibly well.

I don't think any show has handled the concept of time in a storyline so well either. Rarely have I seen a story that handles the feeling of seeing someone who has been both a confidant and tense rival years and years after you both interacted and the storm of conflicted but faded feelings that brings, or the feeling of looking back at who you were ten years before and coming to terms with all you've done and all that's been done to you in that time.

Halt And Catch Fire is about trying to stay in the moment, to try to catch the future and hold onto it, about the relationships that are created and destroyed in that process, and about the way that time is both cruel and kind to our relationships and our dreams. Definitely give it a look if you get the chance!
 

gozu

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it's less just about computers, it's about the people who are compelled to be part of the next big things, the people who want so desperately to build, to create, to be on that bleeding edge. No single show captures the struggle, suffering, and absolute thrill of what it means to be part of the driving force of the future. [...]

I don't think any show has handled the concept of time in a storyline so well either. Rarely have I seen a story that handles the feeling of seeing someone who has been both a confidant and tense rival years and years after you both interacted and the storm of conflicted but faded feelings that brings, or the feeling of looking back at who you were ten years before and coming to terms with all you've done and all that's been done to you.[...]

Halt And Catch Fire is about trying to stay in the moment, to try to catch the future and hold onto it, about the relationships that are created and destroyed in that process, and about the way that time is both cruel and kind to our relationships and our dreams.

You have convinced me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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HBO television is the best thing going. I've liked or loved every single thing I've watched and I still have so much to catch up on. The Wire is genius but so aren't so many others of theirs. Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul belongs in the GOAT discussion too.
 

karmaforgotme

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think my top 3 runs like this:

The Wire
Mad Men
Sopranos

The order of 2nd and 3rd could change, but The Wire is always first. Also I will point out that Simon's Treme doesn't get enough love. It was really great.

Six Feet Under, you mean?

I love Six Feet Under, but season 4 wasn't that good at all and season 5 was half and half. Also it doesn't hold up as strong on a rewatch (I originally watch it when it aired).
 

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The Wire didn't cick with me. Might that be because I am European? I wasn't able to build a connection to any character on neither side.
 

The Unsent

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Oct 25, 2017
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Greatest, I wouldn't say that, but I have no doubt the greatest crime thriller set in Baltimore is Hannibal.
 

Zojirushi

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Oct 26, 2017
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Watching right now for the first time., Season 4 at the moment. I like it a lot. Some aspects regarding the female cast would probably be considered "problematic" (ugh) today but I think that's true for a lot of shows. Like I was watching Friends for the first time not too long ago and boy...
 

Rangerx

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah it is and by a considerable margin. Its themes still resonate heavily today. Add great writing,memorable characters and layers of sociological depth leaves one with a show leagues ahead of anything else. Also season two is the best one.
 

Arjen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Doing a rewatch right now because our local streaming service just added it.
One scene that really got me this time is between Rawls and McNulty in the hospital after Kima has been shot.
Such a great moment between those characters.