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Cheers. But really, after sitting in front of some of the execs I've had to in order to advocate for a forecast or show what happened with a title's performance? Like I said, I do this for fun. Want a tough day? Try to explain to a group of 20 high level execs why a game is significantly under plan. Not a whole lot of fun.

haha that's good to hear

always appreciate these info nuggets and how yall have gotten more and more transparent with your data over the years

I remember a time not too long ago when it seemed like people's livelihood was at stake for dropping info
 

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I think it's due to the December release, and it being an exclusive to one platform. If it came out a month earlier and thus would hit Black Friday, it probably would make the Top 10. It still might, I suppose, but with only a few weeks to do so it will be tough.

Right. December release, and we don't track Switch digital (which should be significant for Smash). I think this Smash will do phenomenally well over time, but to get on a top 10 list this year? It's a massive achievement. Just don't think Smash has the time in market to get there, particularly without digital counted for the chart.

I'm a huge believer in it though, should do very well.
 

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I'm very interested in this too. The data suggest that Fortnite has had a big impact to PS4 and Xbox One hardware in 2018. But not only that, it reads pretty clearly to me that Accessories like Headsets and Game Cards have also been pushed higher this year by Fortnite.

Will this carry over to Switch? I think it should, but I won't get any read until mid August due to the database upgrades we're putting into place. And even then June data will be noisy because of the strong trade in promotions at GameStop.
Interess, but still curious what black friday can do. September gonna cagth my attention.

Cheers. But really, after sitting in front of some of the execs I've had to in order to advocate for a forecast or show what happened with a title's performance? Like I said, I do this for fun. Want a tough day? Try to explain to a group of 20 high level execs why a game is significantly under plan. Not a whole lot of fun.

Sry if looks I downplaying you, but here people act like no one could disagree with your prediction. Those first pages are a little example. So much games still to launching this year and I kinda confuse about your prediction. People here just need to understand that if you can be wrong about this. They taking predictions too serious at the point of all contraditory post are 'bad' or 'stop being negative', a mix of hyperboling reaction.
If my post sounds like a downplay to you I apology in advance. Not my intention, just want to remember some folks here. EVERY opinion matter and can be wrong too. Lets just make for fun as always.
 
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I'm not following. What is your criticism?

You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.
 

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You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.
NPD doesn't actually make advertising revenue from their blog. They sell $10,000+ subscriptions to multimillion/multibillion businesses for retailer data and analysis.
 

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You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.

Wow you're really going down the clickbait route...
 
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You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.
Uh that's not what NPD actually does. They aren't ign or something. Mat being here is just for funsies. None of us are going to buy one of their reports just because he talks to us.
 

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I am curious to see if Spider-Man actually gets the #10 spot.

It seems poised to do well, but IIRC Arkham Knight wasn't exactly knocking out 10 million copies (which this structurally seems fairly similar to), and Smash is presumably going to be very large at retail, even with only one month on the chart.

FIFA also puts up a pretty big showing every year.
 

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I am curious to see if Spider-Man actually gets the #10 spot.

It seems poised to do well, but IIRC Arkham Knight wasn't exactly knocking out 10 million copies (which this structurally seems fairly similar to), and Smash is presumably going to be very large at retail, even with only one month on the chart.

FIFA also puts up a pretty big showing every year.

Title ranking predictions are always a mess by the end of the year. A game slips, or an assumed 85 rated game comes out and it gets a 70, some game decides not to spend on marketing, or some other weirdness happens. Of anything, I'm always least confident in the title ranking predictions, but clients always ask for them. Shrug.
 

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I am curious to see if Spider-Man actually gets the #10 spot.

It seems poised to do well, but IIRC Arkham Knight wasn't exactly knocking out 10 million copies (which this structurally seems fairly similar to), and Smash is presumably going to be very large at retail, even with only one month on the chart.

FIFA also puts up a pretty big showing every year.
FIFA always get on the top, at least in Europe. Its Sony making some Spider-Man bundles?
 

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I honestly don't think monster hunter world has a chance to chart higher then mario kart for the year....or am I missing something? do people forgot how much it sells in holyday season?
 

Nirolak

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Title ranking predictions are always a mess by the end of the year. A game slips, or an assumed 85 rated game comes out and it gets a 70, some game decides not to spend on marketing, or some other weirdness happens. Of anything, I'm always least confident in the title ranking predictions, but clients always ask for them. Shrug.
Right, I'm not saying it's a bad prediction. It's just the one I'm pondering the most about since it's a game that equally feels like it could be a major breakout or a """standard""" 5 or so million performer.

It's certainly one of the more interesting stabs at launching a new (well, licensed, but...) singleplayer only brand these days.

FIFA always get on the top, at least in Europe. Its Sony making some Spider-Man bundles?
NPD would be US only, which is why it's a bit more up in the air.
 
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You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.
Oh my lmao
Also, the bolded part. Lmao
 

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Math done by Ryng Manuel Tolu: (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...ictions-closes-tuesday-june-12th.46649/page-6 post 275)
2018 sales up to May

PS4 ~ 1.53 million
NSW ~ 1.20 million
XB1 ~ 1.13 million

No information on June so far
About:
PS4 - 1.52m
SWI - 1.19m
XB1 - 1.13m

EDIT: Already included above. Note that NPD won't be announcing June results until early August (July results will come a few weeks later).
Thanks =)
 

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You're in the business of getting people to click on your site and generate discussion with these prediction articles, and predicting "continued dominance by PS4" just doesn't move the needle. This Switch prediction has a BIT more credence - though it will also be flat out wrong - but your statement that the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 in 2017 based on Scorpio or ANY metric, was just outright pandering and calls into question the entirety of these predictions.

Yes they are just for fun, but the Xbox over PS4 prediction (who in their right mind would think such a thing for 2017? Maybe 2013/14 when much was unknown I'd see), imo proves there are times you are just trying to be provocative/entertaining, and not necessarily correct. My suspicion is that is the case here as well.
Even if he's wrong, the Switch prediction has a really good chance of happening. That's hardly a provocative prediction unless you're incredibly insecure about who wins in video game sales.
 

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i think 7-10 could slide around a bit. I still think Spider-Man will outsell God of War but it may be close because God of War will be on the market longer.
 
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Even if he's wrong, the Switch prediction has a really good chance of happening. That's hardly a provocative prediction unless you're incredibly insecure about who wins in video game sales.
No, since this prediction doesn't have PS4 as coming out on top, it will be wrong in the end. That's how it works, didn't you know?

EDIT: Okay, the user in question got banned, so I'll drop this now.
 

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Rubber banding (or negative feedback loops) are mechanics designed to close the gap in skill level by punishing good players and rewarding bad players. Like the blue shell in Mario Kart. You can also lower the skill gap by introducing random powerful elements to make it more luck based than skill based. Kart, Party and Smash have these mechanics in spades. Splatoon arguably has a positive feedback loop, where good teams acquire more turf and subsequently also gain more movement perks.
So is Fortnite, one of the biggest games going right now not appealing to casual gamers? Because it doesn't seem to have much of that rubber banding either and yet it's a game embraced by everyone. My point is the lack of such things like items doesn't stop causal gamers enjoying and making up a large part of the player base of BOTW, Splatoon or Rabbids, kids will play such games just because they have Mario, Link and Rabbids in them.

Here's the thing, yes there's QOL aspects to games like Mario Kart and Smash like items that make them a more level playing field and thus appealing to causal gamers, and likewise high level play in other games like Arms can detract players, but that seems to be missing the point I'm making regarding this topic which pertains sales, that being games like Splatoon and Arms are still embraced and played by casual gamers and quoting technicalities doesn't really change that. The audience for the most part doesn't perceive these titles as being less or more casual.

DBZF is a fighting game with all the intricacies that comes with one, and yet its simplified controls and DBZ branding makes it a game that's appealing to causals and the sales figures showed that. Monster Hunter World can be a chore to play and yet causal gamers embraced it, likewise PUBG and Fortnite.

The argument that started the discussion was the notion that this year Nintendo was more focused on the causal audience but my point wasn't necessarily that the games released this year contained features and game design that makes them easier for less skilled players to enjoy but rather that these games don't seem skewed one way or the other, they're games for everybody and last year was no different, the Switch did well last year because it's games appealed to everyone. BOTW has a lot of depth, so does Arms but to insinuate that casuals didn't make up a large portion of purchases of said games is silly, Zelda might be difficult but it's a game casual gamers embraced. If this year is casual focused then so was last year's.
 
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They don't expect pokemon to be in the year end top10?

Interesting.

A combination of no digital for Nintnedo, as well as thw game being split up into 4 skus at retail(Pokemon Eevee, Pokemon Pika, Pokemon Pika+Pokeball, Pokemon Eevee+Pokeball).

Pokemon games usualy sell 55/45 between the two versions, so if these two hit NR11 and NR12 they are out of the top 10, even if combined they could be in the top 5.

Kinda prefer japanese trackers for that reason, since they combine both versions in their reports.
 

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I still think PS4 will be the best selling since it has outsold the Switch every single month since January 2018
 

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Alright, last couple for now, gotta go do some work stuff for a bit...

They said 17.5mi for all of them.

All hardware, including all consoles and portables.

So Nintendo has the best-selling console of the year but doesn't manage a single top 10 seller for the year?

That's kinda fascinating.

Well, we don't track digital software sales data on Nintendo platforms which impacts this list. If we did, I think Smash would make this list, for example.
 

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Well, we don't track digital software sales data on Nintendo platforms which impacts this list. If we did, I think Smash would make this list, for example.

I'm confused, is Smash really the kind of game that has a digital/physical rate big enough to make this kind of change in 3 weeks ?
I mean, I remember people predicting the Smash and Spider-man sales to be close, with a september release date for Smash, so that seems really high for smash. Or am I underestimating the game ?
 

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That's saying something the top 4 video game sellers of the year all haven't been released yet.
 

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A combination of no digital for Nintnedo, as well as thw game being split up into 4 skus at retail(Pokemon Eevee, Pokemon Pika, Pokemon Pika+Pokeball, Pokemon Eevee+Pokeball).

Pokemon games usualy sell 55/45 between the two versions, so if these two hit NR11 and NR12 they are out of the top 10, even if combined they could be in the top 5.

Kinda prefer japanese trackers for that reason, since they combine both versions in their reports.
That makes a sense. I was definitely wondering how Let's Go wouldn't be projected to crack the top 10.
 

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We'll see. If reviewed favourably I can see Spiderman shifting a lot of PS4's in the holiday season.
 

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I'm not really sure what that is meant to mean? Yes it's a prediction and yes predictions can be wrong, otherwise Mat would be a very rich man by now if he got everything right. It's just his personal opinion on how he thinks sales will play out for the rest of the year.

From the first page and OP when someone disagreed with Matt's prediction.

You definitely know more than the experts.


I have to imagine that has been accounted for.

In general, if Era or the stock market say something about Nintendo, expect the exact opposite.

But truly it's everyone else is a fanboy and has an agenda for not agreeing switch will end up selling the most this year.


I see posters with thinly veiled agendas are here to try and imply fanboyism and what not here.
Pro tip, guys: the only fanboys are you. You just get mad when others are not fanboys of the same things as you.
 
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From the first page and OP when someone disagreed with Matt's prediction.





But truly it's everyone else is a fanboy and has an agenda for not agreeing switch will end up selling the most this year.
When your post amounts to "lol nah, PS4 will sell more", yes I will call it out.
Notice that more reasonable arguments about why the PS4 may sell more in this thread were not contested by me.
Wait, why would you.
 

Andri

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What's the ballpark for Nintendo digital anyways? 10-15%?

Total digital rate for Nintendo(though it is across all platforms, meaning the 3DS where it is lower, the Switch where it is higher, and the WiiU which is dead) is at 17.3% as of March 31 2018.

You can find that number in the Suplementary Information they release alongside their earnings release every quarter, though i think that is a new thing they only just added in more recent reporting.
 

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Total digital rate for Nintendo(though it is across all platforms, meaning the 3DS where it is lower, the Switch where it is higher, and the WiiU which is dead) is at 17.3% as of March 31 2018.

You can find that number in the Suplementary Information they release alongside their earnings release every quarter, though i think that is a new thing they only just added in more recent reporting.

i always find that interesting, considering, especially for day 1 games, there is a "tax" in comparison to the ... pours out some beer... best buy GamerClub, and Amazon Prime. Especially on Nintendo platforms where first party games are rarely on sale physically or digitally, the only way I can keep buying is because I have a year left in GamersClub.

Don't get me wrong, having the ability to just boot up a game without dealing with a cart, especially for a handheld, is definitely worth a bit of an increase over the 20% physical discount, but i can't justify it all the way.
 

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When your post amounts to "lol nah, PS4 will sell more", yes I will call it out.
Notice that more reasonable arguments about why the PS4 may sell more in this thread were not contested by me.
Wait, why would you.
That's cool but the agenda thing can be said to anyone. Some will disagree. Personally I think it'll be so close that it won't even really matter all that much. Sony will be happy just meeting targets, they already know the Switch is on fire and only going to ramp up closer to those big games.

But a $200 Spider-Man/GOW bundle just has a ridiculous amount of potential. They'll sell everyone they ship. Same with the eventual LGP bundle. I don't know what MS gon do, maybe a GP bundle, or just keep current bundles and drop the price?