Genuine question, is there a distinction between racism and hate speech? Because I would assume that the two are joined at the hip.
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Reddit CEO Tells User Banning Hate Speech is Too Hard; Reddit Bans User For Posting Conversation
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Racism is hate speech but not all hate speech is racism. Because you could also attack someone on the basis of other factors such as religion, disability, orientation, etc.
Hate speech is just the overall header that includes those things.
No thank you. Nothing being done to racists, bigots, homophobes, etc is even close to what they would like to do to me, and people who look like me.
Keep playing Devil's Advocate if you would like, but with your religious background, maybe you should question why the Devil needs your help.
I know what the author's intent is but Twitter is still submerged in racism/sexism/homophobia. YouTube has had issues with homophobic ads and Tumblr has racists/sexist/etc. and as a "bonus" pedophiles rebranding themselves as MAPs and/or as a part of MOGAI. Defining hate speech does not mean much if you do not actively eliminate it from the platform.
But it does create an avenue fur the kind of cleaning out that you're talking about.
Once you have defined hate speech, you can develop a protocol for action, such as banning. Having those tools in place makes it possible to take this kind of action at all, even if the current leadership isn't making {proper} use of them, their existence is important because any better future leadership would need them to carry out the kind of work we need. Don't you agree?
It definitely doesn't eliminate it. With an open platform of that many users it becomes unmanageable after a certain point. There's no easy blanket way to just make it disappear.
But it does make it a lot easier for those in authority to take action against it if rules are in place. Some action is better than no action. Facebook is also filled with trash people, but if someone gets reported enough times, the hate speech rules are enforced and they get banned (either temporarily or permanently depending on amount of infractions). It doesn't catch everybody but it helps set the tone.
I know first hand because I enjoy reporting my redneck trash cousins >:)
Over time they've learned that they can't get away with that shit and can only be trash on the DL.
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I agree that Reddit should define hate speech. I am just frustrated that other social media platforms just define it, as if that solves the issue, versus going after users engaging in hate speech.
Here's another example with twitter:
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018...t-problem-exists-because-the-CEO-doesn-t-care
"On Tuesday morning, actor Seth Rogen revealed he's been having a private conversation with Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey about the platform's continued verification of white supremacists. After a few months of exchanges, Rogen says what was already abundantly clear to anyone who's taken even a slightly close look at Twitter's hypocrisy: Jack Dorsey just. doesn't. care."
Ah, gotta love these techno libertarian fuckers. Silicon valley is full of shit heels.
I believe you! I just thought what you said sounds a bit familiar. I've seen it happen to communities I love, and it breaks my heart every time.
Silicon Valley is infamous for being left-leaning in every regard except for when it comes to capitalism. They fund much of the Democratic party.
Spez has a point. Whilst Reddit facilitates a lot of hate, it also enables a lot of shared interests, common goals and forward-thinking from freedom of expression. I've seen many members of ResetEra flex that freedom of expression multiple times in various subs I'm also in, where they're not allowed to here on this site. Ultimately in my opinion it's up to the people themselves to decide "that's not for me" and step away from the hate.
Spez has a point. Whilst Reddit facilitates a lot of hate, it also enables a lot of shared interests, common goals and forward-thinking from freedom of expression. I've seen many members of ResetEra flex that freedom of expression multiple times in various subs I'm also in, where they're not allowed to here on this site. Ultimately in my opinion it's up to the people themselves to decide "that's not for me" and step away from the hate.
as a site with the tag line (if they still have it) "front page of the internet" i personally dont care if they ban or dont hate speech. shit is awful but its (unfortunately) human and a huge part of the internet, but whatever I dont run that shit so whatever.
Lets say they do wanna do something about it. Instead of saying its hard to define or whatever and then still going after shit tho they should fucking take a minute to step back and think and put in place a new rule that takes place on x date and stick with it. This "ehh its hard so we dont have a rule but still enforce it in some areas" shit is just stupid.
Lets say they do wanna do something about it. Instead of saying its hard to define or whatever and then still going after shit tho they should fucking take a minute to step back and think and put in place a new rule that takes place on x date and stick with it. This "ehh its hard so we dont have a rule but still enforce it in some areas" shit is just stupid.
He's neither. He's a capitalist. Alt-righters use his website, he's not going to change because he likes money. He doesn't really care about freeze peach or thought policing or any of that shit, he cares about money. With t_d as big as it is, he'll never crack down on hate speech.
If you enable nazis you are either one of them or agree with them. There is no middle ground.
The truth is likely more along these lines. It's reaching to jump straight to claims that he's a secret hitler fanboy in disguise. In reality, he probably just wants to make the least amount of people angry to get the most amount of clicks and doesn't want to deal with any retaliation the site might receive from taking an actual stance.
Apathy is a stance, too.
I'm not saying it's a good or respectable one, but it's a thing that exists. Money is a big cause of apathy. You don't have to be a fan to be a spineless sell-out. You just have to like lazy money more than you like morals.
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Caring more for capitalism as opposed to those who live with it is pretty much the definition of being a right-leaning shithead.
Yup. Reddit and other social media outlets have shown that they're willing to ban people calling problems. The issue is they're thinking short term with some of their users.
Sure t_d is beneficial to Reddit now, but what about once advertisers start taking a closer look or the toxicity hits a breaking point and users start leaving? Then it will be too late and Reddit will suffer for it.
If I let a group of neo nazis hold a fundraiser on my lawn, but they gave me a cut of their shitty apparel sales*, I doubt people would be so kind as to simply label me as a "capitalist."
Yes smartass, I know how advertising works and know that this isn't a 1:1 metaphor
I mean... yes, it is literally pretty damn hard?
In where hard = expensive. They have... let's see... yep, 530 million visitors per month. #6 most used website on the planet.
How many hundreds of paid staff would they need to review all the flagged posts? It's much more profitable to wash their hands off.
No one expects them to punish every single instance of hate speech. People want clear rules and to see enforcement of them. Sure other companies don't do a perfect job, but at least they make an effort, however small.
I looked up some usage stats (view count, activity, user base) TD is consistently in the top 10 of sub reddits.
That's it really, $$ talks, lip service makes users exposing their CEO walk.
These admins either don't realize how the internet's been weaponized and are stuck in 2006 or they don't care.
That's it really, $$ talks, lip service makes users exposing their CEO walk.
These admins either don't realize how the internet's been weaponized and are stuck in 2006 or they don't care.
User Banned (Permanent): Trolling, tone policing victims of bigotry and hate, repeatedly posting thinly veiled defenses of bigotry and hate.
Why not?
I want to thank you for actually taking some time to respond to me, and I want to have a conversation with you if that's okay. Can I ask that you reiterate your first statement? I find it difficult to understand what you're saying. Are you saying that such people would hardly ever do nothing to you and those that look like you, and as such you should also do the same by not doing nothing? To that I have a few comments. As I stated, I can emphasize with you and see your reasoning, that they wouldn't be kind to you and as such you have no reason to be kind to them. That's perfectly fine and I can understand that, fighting fire with fire or having people earn your kindness and such. I just personally disagree with it and don't think that's the way to go, I feel it just promotes a cyclical and perpetual cycle of hatred on everyone's part. Also, generally, though I do not doubt that they most certainly might have a lot against you and perhaps might even hate you, I do doubt the notion that they would be able to physically hurt or do anything to you without suffering criminal/civil consequences from a legal perspective.
The second part was quite clever, but once again I apologize since I can't realky understand what you are trying to say. If the Devil in this case is a metaphor for all those evil people, then yeah I can agree that generally there is a reason why the Devil is looked at with such disdain and why he would need help. I'm not arguing that the Devil isn't evil, but rather that the notion of evil being completely evil seems a bit far fetched to me. I would say that the Devil has some positive characteristics (such as being good at persuasion), or that he at least has a purpose and reason for being out and about in the wild. After all, the Devil needs approval by God before doing anything and as such his wrongdoing is not without a greater purpose. If he was to just disappear entirely and all that was left was good, good would just become neutral and the norm since there would be nothing to compare it to. So I guess the Devil needs help because he is at risk at becoming nonexistent (or rather perhaps he'd still be there but everyone would just kind of try to eliminate the value of anything he might do, because once again I disagree that evil is something that inherently lacks any value), and from my perspective I believe more harm can come from that than by just tolerating his existence and purpose. This was all a bit of an elaborate metaphor on my part but I hope you can understand the point I'm trying to make. But once again I appreciate you for having a response that I can discuss and for proposing your own argument and reasons for your beliefs.
How is it trash? Could you elaborate? It's fine if you think that's the case but I would like to know why.
In any case, once again, it's fine if you think that that is trash, but someone reached out to me in DMs and spoke about how my words resonated with them and how they appreciated someone providing a reasonable dissenting opinion and going against the grain, so I will continue to do so in the hope that others can also feel impacted and inspired to do the same.
How do you expect to fix a problem if you refuse to understand how the problem began and why it still exists?
I pretty much only use Reddit for porn and there is a lot of hate festering in the porn subreddits. Usually report the really heinous shit but idk if they do anything.
Are you familiar with the denazification of Germany post WW2?
Actually that isn't true. They certainly don't want leftist views on the site.
Of course white libertarian tech bros would not bother stopping hate speech cause it doesn't affect them.
Similar to what happened to a mod, albeit worse. This crap just went down in the past few days:
https://old.reddit.com/user/N8theGr...ly_2018_the_day_reddit_starting_caring_about/
It's incredible how inept Spez is in acknowledging why hate speech is really disgusting while these attacks against one mod were able to go on.
https://old.reddit.com/user/N8theGr...ly_2018_the_day_reddit_starting_caring_about/
It's incredible how inept Spez is in acknowledging why hate speech is really disgusting while these attacks against one mod were able to go on.
Still feeling pretty good about deleting my Reddit account since the last time site ownership stanned for racists.
More saying he is complicit in circulating it. I think spineless makes him look like a victim, when he's not
Nah. Id say spineless sums up most republicans and they aint victims.
This feels like an odd way to sidestep my point seeing as I said nothing regarding the specific cause of this problem.
I've talked to Spez a fair bit about this sort of thing, he's very misguided. His whole opinion boils down to "I gave them a voting system, the site should mostly police itself", it's incredibly frustrating but it's never going to change because changing would defeat the entire vision of the platform. When he created it I think he though it was as simple as "hate speech will be filtered out by downvotes", it is decidedly not. I saw what happened with n8thegr8 too and that is bullshit, people were even trying to doxx him for that. Provable brigading all over the place, nothing will be done.
I joined Reddit last year, because there's a somewhat active Let It Die community. The welcome wasn't warm, as this was an answer to one of my early posts there, which was simply a question about a strategy against one of the Forcemen.
I reported the guy, but the admins did nothing about it. Since then, he's routinely made similar remarks to my posts, and those of others as well. On top of that, his rude and childish behaviour is actually applauded by some. There's a plenty of nice people, but the place really needs more strict moderation.