This is an oddly fitting pair since Neo Nazis don't want jews in their country. They'll happily receive support so long as the jews stay in their own country.
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Haaretz: Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine
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Israel is a right wing state.
> Nazism has nothing to do with race and nationality. It appeals to a certain type of mind.
The race as a protected nation state is right wing extremism at its core. The constituent needs a scapegoat. In Germany it was Jews, Italy it was Slovenes and Croatians and Easten Europeans, in Israel it is Muslims and Arabs.
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User Banned (5 Days): Conflating civilians with their leadership. History of inflammatory commentary.
Arabia is the only one who didn't choose any of this. The states and Israeli though, their electorate chose this type of leadership. So you can hold them responsible for their actions.
The regime is no different than the Nazi one.
Another person who has no idea how a parliamentary system works.
"Hold them responsible" sounds like the type of nazi shit you would hear from people who justify racism.
For all the talk of Israel not being represented by the actions of Likud, B.B. keeps getting elected and the policy of selling arms as Israel does is hardly new. Maybe someone can explain that? Maybe I'm wrong but Last I checked Israel's more popular parties veer right wing, as does media and print?
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No clue which post you're talking about that would somehow absolve the Azov battallion.
?? That's what I did.
This Rodnovery stuff mirrors the Nazi (both neo and classic) obsession with Norse/Teutonic paganism.
I said in a thread a long while back that "Nazism rubbed off on Israel" or the like and I think someone tried to wag a finger at me.
... Yeah.
... Yeah.
Here is US Assistant Secretary of State under Obama, Victoria Nuland with Neo-Nazi Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok (left), taken while she was deciding who gets to be in the Ukrainian government.
That's this guy:
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People confuse being opposed to Putin/pro EU with being good or virtuous, you can be a terrible person and still be opposed to Putin / Pro EU
okay? always good to highlight the strength of the BDS movement in threads like these
This is a thing.
With all the horrific acts Isreal does, our moderation is quite sensitive when it comes to Isreal.
Anything is fair game if it was Trump though, but becareful if its Isreal.
Also, this is very good advice.
I suggest we take it.
Lol, sorry.
I meant this.
But no Hummus is a part of it.
Why is the phrase "the holocaust wouldn't have happened if jews had guns" keep banging around the inside of my head?
What a stupid headline when in fact 'Human rights activists petition the court to cease Israeli arms exports to Ukraine since some of these weapons reach neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine's security forces'
Israel does not specifically supply Nazis in Ukraine, it supplies Ukrainian armed forces like many other countries do and for good reason.
The Azov battalion's 'Total strength (was) above 1000 officers and men' in 2015. The Ukrainian army's strength is 169,000 as of 2016. Citing wikipedia here.
Its existence is a problem, but when the Ukrainian army was is in disarray those, previously volunteer, battalions stepped up to the plate and held off Russian proxy forces' advance in the Donbas.
In the course of the war, Ukrainian authorities brought the volunteer battalions under control and incorporated them into their armed forces. This also applies to Azov. So while its existence continues to be a blemish on Ukraine's reputation, I don't think they can effectively abolish it with the ongoing war.
So should the West and Israel stop supporting Ukraine because 0.005 percent of its forces is the Azov battalion of which 'Around 10-20% of the unit were Nazis in 2014'?
Israel does not specifically supply Nazis in Ukraine, it supplies Ukrainian armed forces like many other countries do and for good reason.
The Azov battalion's 'Total strength (was) above 1000 officers and men' in 2015. The Ukrainian army's strength is 169,000 as of 2016. Citing wikipedia here.
Its existence is a problem, but when the Ukrainian army was is in disarray those, previously volunteer, battalions stepped up to the plate and held off Russian proxy forces' advance in the Donbas.
In the course of the war, Ukrainian authorities brought the volunteer battalions under control and incorporated them into their armed forces. This also applies to Azov. So while its existence continues to be a blemish on Ukraine's reputation, I don't think they can effectively abolish it with the ongoing war.
So should the West and Israel stop supporting Ukraine because 0.005 percent of its forces is the Azov battalion of which 'Around 10-20% of the unit were Nazis in 2014'?
So it's cool to brag about having a representative democracy, but don't like it when someone points out this means you should be held responsible for your vote. There's a reason there is a voting age, it's because it is an adult decision and adults' choices have consequences that come with them.
So what are you saying is, there is a large disconnect between what the majority of the Israeli citizens want and how their government do things? Is that it? You are saying that the current (or the past too perhaps, since you are saying it's the "system") Israeli government is not at all representative of the majority of the Israel?
If so, what does the majority of Israel citizens actually want in terms of their government? If there is a large disconnect, what can be done to fix that? Is it even possible to fix that? I mean, you seem highly knowledgeable about how things work in Israel, so educate me and the rest of us "who has no idea" as well.
People in this thread are actually dead ass trying to argue that less than 25% of israelis voting for likud means that vast majority of israeli citizens are responsible for their government.
Numbers, how do they work? Damn near half of the US voting population voted for donald trump, y'all gonna take some responsibility and flog yourselves for immigrant children being locked up?
Holy fuck, you can't be this ignorant.
Let's rip this shit up one by one.
Sorry if I'm not interested in punishing civilians for the crimes of their government. Will you be starting up the Iran and Russia sanctions threads though too?
Numbers, how do they work? Damn near half of the US voting population voted for donald trump, y'all gonna take some responsibility and flog yourselves for immigrant children being locked up?
Holy fuck, you can't be this ignorant.
Let's rip this shit up one by one.
Sorry if I'm not interested in punishing civilians for the crimes of their government. Will you be starting up the Iran and Russia sanctions threads though too?
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comparing the israeli government to nazis is the most disgusting and antisemitic comparison imaginable
you see, they are only ARMING actual nazis. big difference!
you see, they are only ARMING actual nazis. big difference!
Before I start, LOL
Gosh those god damn israelis sure are pushing for likud and right wing governments!
So what you're saying is that 75% of israelis should be held responsible for likud getting 23.40% of the vote, even though the knesset not only became more left due to likud losing votes, but combined the vast majority of Israelis didn't vote for likud.
Numbers, how do they work?
Well seeing as how only 23.40% voted for likud and the rest got split between liberal and centrist parties, y'all Imma say that maybe you don't have an idea of how things work in a parliament system or what the majority of Israeli citizens want.
I realize doing a semblance of research is hard, but god damn it's not difficult to google shit.
Not even including the fact that majority of other parties who got high votes are actually centrist to left and Knesset went left as a result.
Google, read, and don't ask non-rhetorical questions where you try and make a point but are failing at it because you didn't research.
Gosh those god damn israelis sure are pushing for likud and right wing governments!
So what you're saying is that 75% of israelis should be held responsible for likud getting 23.40% of the vote, even though the knesset not only became more left due to likud losing votes, but combined the vast majority of Israelis didn't vote for likud.
Numbers, how do they work?
Well seeing as how only 23.40% voted for likud and the rest got split between liberal and centrist parties, y'all Imma say that maybe you don't have an idea of how things work in a parliament system or what the majority of Israeli citizens want.
I realize doing a semblance of research is hard, but god damn it's not difficult to google shit.
Not even including the fact that majority of other parties who got high votes are actually centrist to left and Knesset went left as a result.
Google, read, and don't ask non-rhetorical questions where you try and make a point but are failing at it because you didn't research.
People are turning an article that is critical of where Israeli weapons end up into a "SEE THE JEWS ARE HYPOCRITES AND NAZIS! BLOOD LIBEL THE FUCKS!"
I literally don't understand where people are getting that Israel is purposing supplying nazis when the article says itself
You see the part that says they are part of the Ukraine armed forces? Even the freaking op quoted this and still gets it wrong.
Can a mod change this shit title?
Yeah, this ban and the type of users that often get banned in these threads makes it incredibly fucking transparent in which direction at least one moderator leans.
How dare the mods ban someone for putting the responsibility of a government on the people who didn't even vote for said government.
The irony if you're from a western country will be lost on you.
When you think about it, aren't saudi citizens responsible for not stopping their government? I mean, they do make a majority and they could easily overwhelm the military if every man, woman, and child fought.
That's how logical you people sound.
There was a lot of talk of this intersection in the "Russia Stronk" media circles a few years ago. I think they do have evidence to show that moderate Europhiles at least fraternised with far-right neo-Nazis.
You're not answering any of my questions. What do they really want then? What makes it possible for Netanyahu to become the longest running PM in the history of Israel if, just like you're heavily implying in here, that the government is not representative of the will of the majority Israel citizens? What have been done to rectify that misrepresentation? Surely such a thing can't be left unfixed in a country calling itself a democratic entity?
The headline is obviously misleading. You would notice that if you actually read the article.
Israel licensed some rifle types to be manufactured in Ukraine, by Ukrainian manufacturers for the Ukrainian army of which 0.005% is in the Azov battalion.
How do you arrive at the headline that Israel is 'Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine'?
Like Front National, Lega Nord, AfD, FPÖ, UKIP or Golden Dawn Svoboda is a far right to fascist party. The radicalization varies by member or period in its existence. However in contrast to its European counterparts it doesn't have any actual sway in Ukrainian politics. Latest election results and current polls put them at 1% and 2%.
However, from 2012 to the Ukrainian revolution they held around 10% of the seats in parliment and since Nuland met with all of the opposition parties represented on Maidan, she also had to meet the Svoboda leader.
Of course anamika frames that just like the 'Russia Stronk' media would do for reasons unknown to me.
So Israel is not a democracy, and doesn't have a voting system? So you're saying they're really no better than those evil Arab countries, right?
Also nice of you to resort to whataboutism, because you don't have the brains to be able to defend this shit in any genuine manner. I forgot why I had you on my ignore list, now I remember. Because you're a shill for a government that's enacting apartheid-style policies and has no problem murdering unarmed civilians. "You people" are beyond pathetic.
actions peaks louder than legal systems, the US also has a voting system and democracy and trump was voted in; and people in israel continue to vote for leaders that are committing ethnic cleansing and making Palestinian lives more hellish by the conditions they've forced them under, doesn't mean everyone in israel condones this or anything, but the reality of the situation can't be ignored
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I guess calling an electorate to take responsibility for the government they elect is a bannable offense, after all.
Those who don't vote or protest vote against Hillary are often also blamed for Trump being elected to become the president. It is a sentiment widely accepted here in ResetEra. If what Aaron said is true in that only a small amount of Israel citizens actually voted (and thus the government is not a representation of the majority as he claimed), then surely those who don't vote or don't care to vote--which seems to br the majority if Aaron is to be believed---can also receive the share of the blame for their indifference, just like what happened to Trump?
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Careful now, you'll get yourself banned for daring to point out the obvious.
It does seem to selectively apply to certain countries and not others at this point. I think some clarity would be good. Moderators have gone on record about comparing Israel to Nazis though. Whether you agree or not, it's bannable.
All of these are irrelevant to my point.
Why would I answer them? What type of strawman is this?
does choosing an arguably questionable headline make this israeli newspaper anti-semitic?
User Banned (Permanent): Long history of hostility towards others.
So when the fuck are you going to take responsibility for your country's actions or should we skip the bullshit and put you up against the wall.
It's not questionable. It's factual. Israeli weapons are getting into the hands of nazis.
What isn't factual is that israel is providing them the weapons. The weapons are going to tge ukraine armt, of which the nazis are apart of.
I see, so that's how you want to do it.
Well it's fine, it's not like I expect much in the first place anyways.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Less than one million voted for Likud. The rest of the votes were split between liberal and centrist parties. The parliament became more liberal as a result.
The difference between likud winning and losing literally came down to a few percentages.
So yeah I'm fucking taking exception to people like you who just salivate at the thought of jews being blamed.