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BotW took over the Zelda crown pretty quickly didn't it? Also, the majority of HK players knew the game well before the Switch release, although the new player base should definitely help solidifying its legacy as the GOAT.
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Has Hollow Knight dethroned Super Metroid/SotN in the public eye?
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At this point I'm convinced those who complaing about HK's mechanics being obscure (or that a guide is needed) must be the same kind of people who get stuck at Maridia or ask why metroid can't crawl.
HK's is more straightforward with its mechanics than SM or SOTN. Remember the Noob's bridge or the wall-jump "tutorial" in Brinstar. The only thing HK doesn't explicitly explain is pogo-jumping, but that's something most people will intuitively learn.
HK's is more straightforward with its mechanics than SM or SOTN. Remember the Noob's bridge or the wall-jump "tutorial" in Brinstar. The only thing HK doesn't explicitly explain is pogo-jumping, but that's something most people will intuitively learn.
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It's a fun, absolutely gorgeous game (plus I love the soundtrack) but it does slip up a bit towards the end, having to refight bosses to get enough essence to get to the last stage of the game really felt like padding.
It's a great game, but I wouldn't say it's better than the two games listed. Or Zero Mission, the real GOAT of the genre.
It's a great game, but I wouldn't say it's better than the two games listed. Or Zero Mission, the real GOAT of the genre.
SotN is not only the best of its genre but it is one of the best game ever made. So, no.
Nah, that's Brinstar. The big Maridia roadblock is figuring out you need to power bomb the tube (back in lower Brinstar).
The Bridge is in Brinstar. Maridia has the Noob's tube (which is literally shown exploding on the game's intro)
Couldn't finish that game personally. It's kinda strange, i loved how thegame looked visually, the boss fights were kinda entertaining even if nothing special but going through the game felt like such a chore, it wasn't particulary intersting to explore and the room often felt far too wide for no reason, and ultimately one day i just couldn't get myself to launch the game again. I think it's a fine game overall despise me giving up on it but it's probably not one i'd remember fondly or claim dethroned anything.
People calling SOTN the best confound me.
I mean, I love SOTN, but let's not ignore the tons of glaring problems it has. Are we just forgetting the large number of areas that consist of "corridor + 1-2 copypasted enemies"? What about the fact that the RPG stat system is basically worthless outside the start of the game and luck mode (if you don't cheese it)?
I mean, I love SOTN, but let's not ignore the tons of glaring problems it has. Are we just forgetting the large number of areas that consist of "corridor + 1-2 copypasted enemies"? What about the fact that the RPG stat system is basically worthless outside the start of the game and luck mode (if you don't cheese it)?
I'll have you know I painstakingly forced myself to slog through every level of Dark Souls 2 just so I could yell at people who even mentioned it in the same conversation as Dark Souls 1.
I agree, yes.
It's better than anything I've played in the Metroid or Castlevania series. Hollow Knight is the new King.
It's better than anything I've played in the Metroid or Castlevania series. Hollow Knight is the new King.
When people bring up the soundtrack as a negative... just what.
How about these two tunes evoking a melancholic atmosphere.
How about these two tunes evoking a melancholic atmosphere.
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Or two kickass boss tracks.
Or two kickass boss tracks.
Dark Souls 2 isn't that bad. I also intend to go back and try to get into HK.
Can you not do that? It's pretty insulting, and anyone could just easily throw that back at you.
Sigh, no.
Well, that's true, but that's what it's going for. Might as well complain that Super Metroid environments are also dark and damp, and bleak and alien.
Uh, OK. I mean, you asked...?
Your attitude is not very good yourself. You've just come into this thread to insult people who like the game and insinuate that those who like the game "shit" on the classics and insult "the fanbase".
...Also, I played SotN recently. It's still great. I think Hollow Knight is probably better since it improves on just about every aspect of SotN. *shrug*
Nope. People largely love HK because they are fans of SotN and Super Metroid.
What is complex about Hollow Knight?
Hollow Knight has way more "crazy hidden stuff" than SotN does.
I tried so damn hard to get into this game. I wanted to love it. Heard so much good from a vocal fanbase.
Didn't click. Don't exactly know why, it's hard to articulate.
Didn't click. Don't exactly know why, it's hard to articulate.
It definitely deserves to be part of the same conversation as Metroid (NES) and SotN--much more so than any other game in the genre--but I wouldn't call it "better."
As I said back when the PC version came out, Hollow Knight is so incredible in so many ways and adds so many key tweaks to the genre's long-standing conventions that the genre should now be called the "Metroidvania Knight" genre. But that's assuming subsequent games in the genre follow its lead.
As I said back when the PC version came out, Hollow Knight is so incredible in so many ways and adds so many key tweaks to the genre's long-standing conventions that the genre should now be called the "Metroidvania Knight" genre. But that's assuming subsequent games in the genre follow its lead.
Personally I didn't love Hollow Knight but I can appreciate the scope of it. The visuals bored me, the pacing was bad, the OST was too ambient (a common trend these days it seems), and the map system bothered me to no end.
Metroid Fusion, Circle of the Moon, and Aria of Sorrow are still my old favorites. I don't know if it counts as a metroidvania but I absolutely loved Iconoclasts, my GotY so far personally with Celeste being 2nd.
Metroid Fusion, Circle of the Moon, and Aria of Sorrow are still my old favorites. I don't know if it counts as a metroidvania but I absolutely loved Iconoclasts, my GotY so far personally with Celeste being 2nd.
So their experience is no good then? Your experience as someone who loves a thing is no more valuable than someone who dropped it.
Played both Super Metroid and SotN multiple times, dropped Hollow Knight after the second boss so that's a no from me.
It's a complete mess of a game design-wise, stealing the Super Metroid template whole but misunderstanding that design and adding all sorts of junk... but with beautiful presentation, great atmosphere and loads of content. So people for whom presentation is everything love it, people for whom heaps of content is everything (the type who loves 'loot' games) love it. It also has very simplistic combat design (grindy slash slash) with faux-complexity via multiple weapons, so it appeals to grindy dungeon crawl fans too. But if you're discerning about level design, game progression design, or combat design, it's a very weak Metroid clone.
But I can understand that. I love Wind Waker best of all 3D Zeldas (until BOTW) because for me the world building, story, lore and sense of place and character is so great. It is objectively a weaker Zelda game on a design level than the other 3D games, but those things are less important to me in a Zelda game that what WW does well.
Don't feel like Hollow Knight is much like Super Metroid at all other than being continuous world sidescrollers. Super Metroid is one of my favorite games of all time whereas I couldn't get into Hollow Knight. The moment to moment gameplay is very different.
Super Castlevania IV ain't no Metroidvania, it's a linear platformer in the style of the first game without even the branching paths of Castlevania III. I mean, it's great, no arguing there, but a "Metroidvania" is a game that in nearly all cases consists of one interconnected game-world, and paths are typically gated by requiring you to find abilities or items before you can access them. The new God of War for example is a Metroidvania
SotN has a completely different game hidden in it if you name your profile Richter. There's not many games that can come close to SotNs secrets.
Multiple endings, multiple secret bosses, tons of hidden paths and chambers and areas, tons of hidden NPC side-quests (some of which are really obscure)... SotN had some mindblowing stuff too, like the inverted castle and playing as Richter, but it still doesn't compare IMO.
I think it would get more flak if it didnt work so well.
Ive never played a Souls game btw.
PLEASE.... THIS TOPIC IS A JOKE.. we get it you love Hollow Knight a lot of people do, but its called metroidvania for a reason. those are recognizable games to everyone so its easy to understand how Hollow Knight plays. its more nostalgia then anything else. There is no throne.
Yeah, that's kinda the thing. It's a really good setup for lore-based games where you explore a lot so it's hard to fault. The similarities are little distracting but it's not the end of the world
yeah
I finished it yesterday, I'd say it's by every definition a Metroidvania and a rather big departure from the previous games
you can clearly see the Metroidvania influence and the inspirations taken from Souls series and cinematic narrative-driven games in the vein of The Last of Us. It's like a strange mix of elements from various games and genres that works surprisingly well
SOTN has a staggering amount of content, but not all of it is quality content.
There's a lot of little hidden rooms and secrets, but a lot of the stuff you get are neat novelty items with no real use because the balance is so fucked up.
Maybe ill pl.. (((({OCTOPATH TRAVELER}))))
..ill check it out sometime.
No, but my experience as someone who's fought every boss and seen every area is more valuable than some who's fought 4/30 bosses and seen 3/10 areas. Especially in a game like Hollow Knight where one of the most common criticisms even by people who love the game is that it starts slow and the combat doesn't get its wonderful complexity until you have most of the upgrades.
