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Khalme

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Feb 5, 2018
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I mean it in the sense of it's not the proper channel to offer that feedback. That guy basically found where she'd be hanging around outside of work and made his complaints about what she works on there. It'd be more appropriate to offer those criticisms through a community manager, or an official GW2 forum.

She reacted as she did because she was tired of people finding where she hangs out after work and offering unsolicited advice. The company should be protecting its employees by having internal systems and policies to redirect people to customer-facing representatives when they have complaints. Instead they had nothing and made no attempts to educate her on how they expect her to act in these situations, instead just kind of shrugging and telling employees to deal with it. And when she deals with it like a frustrated person dealing with something outside the scope of their job, she was fired.
You make it like Deroir basically stalked her and followed her to her appartment to ask questions about Guild Wars 2.

She made 20+ tweets essay on a public twitter profile as a follow up of an official Guild Wars 2 AMA session on reddit.

AMAs are literally "Ask me Anything" and she made it clear that her tweets were things that she wanted to say in the AMA but couldn't due to time/other reasons. Of course people are going to react and engage in a discussion, that's the whole point.
 

Pazmatic

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean it in the sense of it's not the proper channel to offer that feedback. That guy basically found where she'd be hanging around outside of work and made his complaints about what she works on there. It'd be more appropriate to offer those criticisms through a community manager, or an official GW2 forum.

She reacted as she did because she was tired of people finding where she hangs out after work and offering unsolicited advice. The company should be protecting its employees by having internal systems and policies to redirect people to customer-facing representatives when they have complaints. Instead they had nothing and made no attempts to educate her on how they expect her to act in these situations, instead just kind of shrugging and telling employees to deal with it. And when she deals with it like a frustrated person dealing with something outside the scope of their job, she was fired.

I strongly suggest you reread what has happened.

Context is needed for this though. She literally finished an AMA on GW2 then went to twitter to provide more discourse about topics she felt she could address. I am not sure about you, but if you continue something like an AMA you should expect people to respond no matter what platform you use.

He was a big fan of the game, a significant member of the community, and a fan of her work. Of course he would want to ask her questions and suggestions and hope of receiving a response.
 

Steak

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Oct 27, 2017
1,327
Context is needed for this though. She literally finished an AMA on GW2 then went to twitter to provide more discourse about topics she felt she could address. I am not sure about you, but if you continue something like an AMA you should expect people to respond no matter what platform you use.

The context is that following on from the AMA she shared more info in a different place, which has different expectations of interactivity. She didn't ask for anyone's input.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If this were true she definitely would not have been fired. If this was a response to her tweets she would have been told to stop doing it. It was a response to the hate campaign.
There have been other female Arenanet devs who were targetted by GamerGate hate campaigns over the years and weren't fired.

This situation has been very specific to Jessical Price and Peter Fries.
 

Birdo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Let's be honest, if it was a man who made the exact same comments as Jessica Price, there would be no controversy about the firing. The only reason people are up in arms is because it must be sexism, not that she's a shitty person or anything.
 

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Context is needed for this though. She literally finished an AMA on GW2 then went to twitter to provide more discourse about topics she felt she could address. I am not sure about you, but if you continue something like an AMA you should expect people to respond no matter what platform you use.

The defining point for me is that she has (had? haven't looked if it changed) "ArenaNet Narrative team" in her Twitter bio. She was speaking about her work on a public twitter account. You are very clearly using your profession and company as part of your online identity at that point, you are defining yourself as part of that company, so the stuff she posted becomes a lot harder to defend. It's not like she had made a clear distinction that this was a private twitter and has nothing to do with her professional life. She invited association with her company.

If this was on a personal or private twitter it would be an entirely different discussion because at that point what she does should be considered completely disconnected from her professional life -- but when you're clearly marking yourself as a representative for your company you have to consider that when you make a tweet. Jessica Price the ArenaNet Employee attacked a partner of the company.

That, to me, is a big distinction from if Jessica Price the Person said those things.
 

ccieag

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Oct 28, 2017
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If you are on social media commenting on your company's product on a public Twitter account with your face and your company's name on it, you are representing the company. Doesn't matter that you are "off the clock". Go off on a customer and bring the company bad press and expect to get sacked.

It is shocking and sad people in this day and age still don't get that what you say on social media matter both personally and professionally.



Amen. I keep my professional and private lives completely separate for that very reason. Being stupid on SM will get you canned very, very quickly
 

Dongs Macabre

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Oct 26, 2017
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Let's be honest, if it was a man who made the exact same comments as Jessica Price, there would be no controversy about the firing. The only reason people are up in arms is because it must be sexism, not that she's a shitty person or anything.
This is dumb. If she was a man none of this would have happened because the entire context is tied to her being a woman who replied to perceived mansplaining (whether you agree or not with her assessment) resulting in harassment from people who specifically target women and minorities.
 

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Imagine people constantly ask you those questions every day regarding the posts you make about the work you do. "hey have you thought about this?" "why didn't you consider this option?" "I'm not sure that's what I would have done, and here's why." "no but seriously have you thought about this." That seems to be the experience Price has had, and it might also compound what we've heard time and again from women in the gaming industry: coworkers and colleagues checking women's credentials, second-guessing them, making sure they really know their stuff because of subtle, unexamined prejudices about whether women can actually do game dev work or not.

Plus, it's simply exhausting to constantly respond to people's questions about your work. Did she invite discussion by posting her commentary about writing for the player character in MMOs? Or did she just want to say her piece and leave it at that? Stating an opinion does not require you to engage in discussion afterwards. If it did, then we would have laws barring newspapers from closing comment sections.

You saw the one instance where she snapped. And by "snapped" I mean called someone a "rando asshat." What may appear unprovoked to you is not necessarily unprovoked, even if that one person that was the straw that broke the camel's back was genuine and had good intentions.

Does that mean what she did was right? Maybe not. Is it worth maybe offering her the tiniest bit of empathy when it comes to considering whether she should be fired or not? In my view, 100% absolutely goddamned yes.

I think this post is the closest thing to the stance I have on this issue.

I don't like the implication that accidentally being condescending to a woman implies sexism. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it should be possible to be condescending but not be mansplaining to a woman. But I can acknowledge that they probably feel the same to the woman on the receiving end.

Regarding the off the clock/public issue, I think she should've made things clearer. When it comes to Twitter there are people who explicitly aren't looking for feedback (Kamiya) but also people who enjoy interacting with even strangers.

I just don't get why people hate on Deroir for trying to engage in a discussion at all. Is the thought of trying to engage in a discussion on Twitter really so not relatable for people? Likewise, I don't see how you can get angry that people can try to initiate a discussion on a public forum like Twitter based on distributing Tweets to others (RTs) and having conversations around them... There's a reason blogs and the like exist, part of which is that they're designed for people to broadcast their voice, experiences and knowledge over initiating discussions.

E: I forgot to add that I don't agree with the firing in the slightest.
 

Palette Swap

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Oct 25, 2017
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This thread does a really good job of addressing the "She was playing the victim" bullshit and fake civility.

https://twitter.com/beaglerush/status/1017050472681598978?s=19
Read it earlier, it's really solid and well articulated.

Seeing a number of replies here, I assume the crux of the matter for most people is that they absolutely don't see how she could have perceived this as being talked down to by an amateur telling her how it is, and how that was the nth time.
I can at least see why people would just put it on the usual internet Donning-Kruger effect where everyone has an opinion, but in light of the resulting open season for the usual harassers are doing, this should raise more eyebrows than "calling someone an asshat deserves an immediate firing".
 

FF Seraphim

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Oct 26, 2017
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The context is that following on from the AMA she shared more info in a different place, which has different expectations of interactivity. She didn't ask for anyone's input.

I agree with this to an extent. However, the way social media is being viewed and used is changing each day. This gets even more complicated due to the fact she had her job/position labeled in her profile and was still talking about the game and work done to it. You can see why people would respond or ask questions.
It may not be a work related account, but it is a public account that anyone can see and you are talking about your work while having your position shown clearly to everyone who can view it.
 

freakybj

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think both sides were at fault. Jessica for how she responded to the guy on Twitter and Arenanet for the way they were fired. I really feel bad for the guy that lost his job for defending a colleague though. But no one really knows the whole situation so I can't have a strong opinion either way. I don't think satirical posts like what's in the OP help the situation at all though since the full story isn't known and it pretends that Jessica was blameless in the matter.
 

Trace

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Birdo

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This is dumb. If she was a man none of this would have happened because the entire context is tied to her being a woman who replied to perceived mansplaining (whether you agree or not with her assessment) resulting in harassment from people who specifically target women and minorities.
The context is tied to her being unnecessarily rude to a customer. It's irrelevant in what manner it was done.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly cannot find myself agreeing with this individual's response whatsoever.

Sorry, I just don't agree with his view.
Agreed.

It's the internet. Every opinion or experience or thought you put on the internet is going to have someone react with both their opinion on the subject and their opinion on your opinion. I'm going to get opinions on this post that I maybe am not interesting in getting. My post is an opinion you might not want to receive.

Deroir's feedback was literally as polite and respectful as humanly possible.
 

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This seems like a disingenuous and unfair take on what happened. A developer responded to a polite post about Guild Wars 2 with outright hostility. Did she deserve to be sacked immediately? I would say that that was unfair of anet, but it is well within their right to fire an employee for representing the company in a way that makes the company unhappy.

Keep lying about this, but it's untrue.

A developer rolled her eyes at a disrespectful post, he blew up, and she uses this to point out to show how sexist asshats like him keep doing this exact pattern. Then gamers freak out, because a woman DARED to complain about blatant sexism.

The tweets are right there.
https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096
He lectures her, *explains* it to her (thats not asking for her opinion, that's telling her how it is, and then finishing the conversation with "Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread!"

She rolls her eyes at him, with a simple "thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9"

Then he reacts:
"You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it."

Not only does he go mental immediately, when she doesn't appreciate his """"insight"""", he then immediately tries to turn it around, claiming she is mad (even though all she said were 12 words and a 9_9), and delivers a fake apology.

She uses that as an example, since it's a typical pattern from sexist gamers that women in the industry experience daily: These gamers lecture a woman, get a shrug, and then freak out like this.


Only someone with pretty big sexist issues would even see her as "disrespectful" here. Calling him an asshat for his behavior here is kind. Not only is he a sexist little shit, he keeps fake apologizing like a five year old, tries to lecture her on sexism, and tries to drag in his crowd - who are known for being exactly the kind of gamer that then started harassing her.
 

FF Seraphim

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I think both sides were at fault. Jessica for how she responded to the guy on Twitter and Arenanet for the way they were fired. I really feel bad for the guy that lost his job for defending a colleague though. But no one really knows the whole situation so I can't have a strong opinion either way. I don't think satirical posts like what's in the OP help the situation at all though since the full story isn't known and it pretends that Jessica was blameless in the matter.

Oh man that guy got screwed over for trying to help a friend. Is anyone even really talking about him?
 

Kinthey

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Oct 27, 2017
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No, it doesn't become your "job" specially when she said no one told her it became her job and there was guidelines to follow, and she didn't wanted to engage with him, that's the problem.
If she didn't want to engage with him she could have done exactly that, not engage. That insulting your customers will have consequences should be common sense.
 

Trace

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Oct 25, 2017
4,690
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Some viewpoints are bullshit and wrong.

Did you not see the Twitch clip last time of Deroir calling Price a literal goddess one day before all this happened? He didn't mean to attack her or be passive aggressive about it, he was being a fanboy and wondering if she considered a particular viewpoint. The entire premise that he was "mansplaining" to her is faulty.
 
OP
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Keep lying about this, but it's untrue.

A developer rolled her eyes at a disrespectful post, he blew up, and she uses this to point out to show how sexist asshats like him keep doing this exact pattern. Then gamers freak out, because a woman DARED to complain about blatant sexism.

The tweets are right there.
https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096
He lectures her, *explains* it to her (thats not asking for her opinion, that's telling her how it is, and then finishing the conversation with "Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread!"

She rolls her eyes at him, with a simple "thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9"

Then he reacts:
"You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it."

Not only does he go mental immediately, when she doesn't appreciate his """"insight"""", he then immediately tries to turn it around, claiming she is mad (even though all she said were 12 words and a 9_9), and delivers a fake apology.

She uses that as an example, since it's a typical pattern from sexist gamers that women in the industry experience daily: These gamers lecture a woman, get a shrug, and then freak out like this.


Only someone with pretty big sexist issues would even see her as "disrespectful" here. Calling him an asshat for his behavior here is kind. Not only is he a sexist little shit, he keeps fake apologizing like a five year old, tries to lecture her on sexism, and tries to drag in his crowd - who are known for being exactly the kind of gamer that then started harassing her.
his response was classic male fragility
 

HellofaMouse

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread does a really good job of addressing the "She was playing the victim" bullshit and fake civility.

https://twitter.com/beaglerush/status/1017050472681598978?s=19

"hey, let me first give you the full, completely objective context" then how come i was able to tell what your stance was from the 3rd tweet on?

"Deroir, took the opportunity to contradict her and say "It's actually not that hard, just do this.""
Really? he said "its actually not that hard" huh? Thats not what he said at all.

at. all.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Now I'm seeing people on my feed calling Deroir a harasser...this is going to get ugly

Who needs a feed? We have this right here.

Only someone with pretty big sexist issues would even see her as "disrespectful" here. Calling him an asshat for his behavior here is kind. Not only is he a sexist little shit, he keeps fake apologizing like a five year old, tries to lecture her on sexism, and tries to drag in his crowd - who are known for being exactly the kind of gamer that then started harassing her.
This is wild. I don't even know how to respond to this.
 

Blade Wolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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Did you not see the Twitch clip last time of Deroir calling Price a literal goddess one day before all this happened? He didn't mean to attack her or be passive aggressive about it, he was being a fanboy and wondering if she considered a particular viewpoint. The entire premise that he was "mansplaining" to her is faulty.

Agreed. Not only he meant no harm, he was being very respectful.

Firing her was a bit too much but she is definitely at fault here, her response was incredibly rude and unprofessional. I am not defending Arena Net though, they could've just ask her to apologize.
 

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He blew up? lmao, ridiculous.

No, exactly true.

She said this:
thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9

He then immediately freaked out:
You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it.

That's a tantrum worthy of a ten year old.
"You got mad at me! I only wanted dialogue! Discussion! Why are you not spending more time on long replies with me! I am sooooo sad. But I'll also add a line that you can do whatever you want, to pretend ,my tantrum is fine. I'll also add a classic fake apology on top of it that, in its wording, is classic"

hen how come i was able to tell what your stance was from the 3rd tweet on?

If you are convinced that a woman is evil because she dared to not immediately kneel in front of an internet nobody lecturing her, of course you'll close your eyes at a thread like this. It's expected. Gamers gotta gamer.
 

Jebusman

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Oct 27, 2017
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Keep lying about this, but it's untrue.

he blew up.
The irony of calling out people for lying about it and then immediately misrepresenting what little tweets he made. You even linked them in your post!

There is no way in hell you can argue that

You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it.

is him blowing up. Just full stop. How do you interpret that as going "mental"? Does any level of disagreement with you seem like someone losing their shit? How is this freaking out?

Edit: Okay based on the above post you're actually crazy. You absolutely refuse to approach this issue with anything but a predetermined "he's a piece of shit and you're all gamergaters for defending him" attitude that belittles any attempt you had at making a sound argument.

Like stop, breathe, take a step back, realize that not every man on the earth is out to put the woman down. This guy seems like he made a genuine good faith attempt at sending his comments, and even dropped it after the first dismissive reply. If you genuinely think that's "going mental" there's no fucking hope for you. You're swung too far in the other direction.
 
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Leek

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This thread does a really good job of addressing the "She was playing the victim" bullshit and fake civility.

https://twitter.com/beaglerush/status/1017050472681598978?s=19

The fifth post claims that ArenaNet fired her in response to the anger. That doesn't match up with the official statement, which claims they were planning action immediately but couldn't because it was a holiday. In the meantime the story blew up on Reddit.

The context is that following on from the AMA she shared more info in a different place, which has different expectations of interactivity. She didn't ask for anyone's input.

She didn't ask for anyone's input, but that doesn't give her the right to be rude to people who offer it. If it offended her so much, the right thing to do would have been to simply not reply. Employees generally aren't allowed to take their frustrations out on customers in any profession, even if the frustration is caused by the customers themselves.
 

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We've gone past bullshit and straight into "Deroir is a sexist little shit" based on a few Twitter posts and wild speculation. Some of these posts are nuts.

Worst part is you can still think firing was excessive without trying to hold Price up as blameless or portray Deroir as sexist but maybe that's not sexy enough
 

Trace

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No, exactly true.

She said this:
thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9

Gonna stop you right here. This right here is offensive. It's condescending, and "my dude 9_9" you can basically change out with asshat, moron, idiot, etc and you'll get the same effect. It is not an appropriate way to talk to a customer.

Worst part is you can still think firing was excessive without trying to hold Price up as blameless or portray Deroir as sexist but maybe that's not sexy enough

I don't agree with the firing at all. I think that Price needs to cool her jets on Twitter when interacting with customers/the public but what she said isn't worth getting fired over. There's probably some background info with ANet that we don't know about because I'd be surprised if they fired her over just this.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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No, exactly true.

She said this:
thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9

He then immediately freaked out:
You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it.

That's a tantrum worthy of a ten year old.
"You got mad at me! I only wanted dialogue! Discussion! Why are you not spending more time on long replies with me! I am sooooo sad. But I'll also add a line that you can do whatever you want, to pretend ,my tantrum is fine. I'll also add a classic fake apology on top of it that, in its wording, is classic"



If you are convinced that a woman is evil because she dared to not immediately kneel in front of an internet nobody lecturing her, of course you'll close your eyes at a thread like this. It's expected. Gamers gotta gamer.
That seems more dejected and crestfallen than "Tantrum", which are usually characterized by things like insults like calling people "ass hat".
 

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Keep lying about this, but it's untrue.

A developer rolled her eyes at a disrespectful post, he blew up, and she uses this to point out to show how sexist asshats like him keep doing this exact pattern. Then gamers freak out, because a woman DARED to complain about blatant sexism.

The tweets are right there.
https://twitter.com/DeroirGaming/status/1014280605599748096
He lectures her, *explains* it to her (thats not asking for her opinion, that's telling her how it is, and then finishing the conversation with "Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread!"

She rolls her eyes at him, with a simple "thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9"

Then he reacts:
"You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it."

Not only does he go mental immediately, when she doesn't appreciate his """"insight"""", he then immediately tries to turn it around, claiming she is mad (even though all she said were 12 words and a 9_9), and delivers a fake apology.

She uses that as an example, since it's a typical pattern from sexist gamers that women in the industry experience daily: These gamers lecture a woman, get a shrug, and then freak out like this.


Only someone with pretty big sexist issues would even see her as "disrespectful" here. Calling him an asshat for his behavior here is kind. Not only is he a sexist little shit, he keeps fake apologizing like a five year old, tries to lecture her on sexism, and tries to drag in his crowd - who are known for being exactly the kind of gamer that then started harassing her.
How is his response "going mental"?

I agree with your point about Price's response being fully understandable.

But I don't get how a guy literally withdrawing himself from the discussion after figuring out he's not wanted is "freaking out". Dude's even expressed that he sincerely looks up to Price beforehand. Is he not allowed to feel disappointed that he got blown off and couldn't have a discussion, badly phrased as it was? Should he have been open to discussing (with others) as to why Price responded thus? Yes.

But it seems like people here expect men to be perfect at expressing themselves as well. Because there's no way someone can express disappointment, and in fact if they do it somehow immediately implies they're sexist or some level, as if people are never (even accidentally) condescending if they're not sexist.

(And again, none of this is anywhere as overblown as the reaction to Price, but still.)
 

atbigelow

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Oct 29, 2017
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This is not a disingenuous article because it's exactly what happened.

What is this fascination with PROMINENT MEMBERS OF COMMUNITIES? To use one of my favorite responses to dick-riding: "they aren't going to fuck you".
 

Kinthey

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HellofaMouse

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If you are convinced that a woman is evil because she dared to not immediately kneel in front of an internet nobody lecturing her, of course you'll close your eyes at a thread like this. It's expected. Gamers gotta gamer.

what im convinced of is that there is a little diffnerence between not kneeling in front of somebody and punching them right in the face.
 

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Gonna stop you right here. This right here is offensive. It's condescending, and "my dude 9_9" you can basically change out with asshat, moron, idiot, etc and you'll get the same effect. It is not an appropriate way to talk to a customer.



I don't agree with the firing at all. I think that Price needs to cool her jets on Twitter when interacting with customers/the public but what she said isn't worth getting fired over. There's probably some background info with ANet that we don't know about because I'd be surprised if they fired her over just this.

Yeah, considering how long she'd been with them it's weird but sometimes game companies aren't on the ball with HR stuff
 

Draconis

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No, exactly true.

She said this:
thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9

He then immediately freaked out:
You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it.

That's a tantrum worthy of a ten year old.
"You got mad at me! I only wanted dialogue! Discussion! Why are you not spending more time on long replies with me! I am sooooo sad. But I'll also add a line that you can do whatever you want, to pretend ,my tantrum is fine. I'll also add a classic fake apology on top of it that, in its wording, is classic"



If you are convinced that a woman is evil because she dared to not immediately kneel in front of an internet nobody lecturing her, of course you'll close your eyes at a thread like this. It's expected. Gamers gotta gamer.



I honestly feel like you are blowing this entire thing way out of context. Deroir was a fan of Jessica Price. There is even a snippet of a stream where he was praising her to a very high level the day before this incident.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Turning Deroir into a villian akin to those harassers...
giphy.webp
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Agreed.

It's the internet. Every opinion or experience or thought you put on the internet is going to have someone react with both their opinion on the subject and their opinion on your opinion. I'm going to get opinions on this post that I maybe am not interesting in getting. My post is an opinion you might not want to receive.

Deroir's feedback was literally as polite and respectful as humanly possible.

The tweets that got Price fired were also opinion, so wouldn't that go both ways?
 

Trickster

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No, exactly true.

She said this:
thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9

He then immediately freaked out:
You getting mad at my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion with you, instead of just replying that I am wrong or otherwise correct me in my false assumptions, is really just disheartening for me. You do you though. I'm sorry if it offended. I'll leave you to it.

That's a tantrum worthy of a ten year old.
"You got mad at me! I only wanted dialogue! Discussion! Why are you not spending more time on long replies with me! I am sooooo sad. But I'll also add a line that you can do whatever you want, to pretend ,my tantrum is fine. I'll also add a classic fake apology on top of it that, in its wording, is classic"



If you are convinced that a woman is evil because she dared to not immediately kneel in front of an internet nobody lecturing her, of course you'll close your eyes at a thread like this. It's expected. Gamers gotta gamer.

That is not what freaking out looks like, regardless of how much you try and twist it.

And I guess we're back to calling one of the community figures of the game she was working on a nobody too huh?