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Trump wants NATO countries to spend 4% of GDP on defense, increase from original 2% of GDP goal
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We live in the craziest times when the President of the United States makes insane demands of his allies, bullies and insults world leaders, attacks his government institutions as well as fellow party members on Twitter... but remains tight-lipped and deferential to a porn star that has the legal goods on him.
He's just spouting idiotic numbers knowing well that no one is going to be willing to spend that much. So he can kill NATO for his fuck buddy in the Kremlin
Then we go back to +-16 trillion instead of +-18 trillion gpd, that's still way higher then Russia.
Population wise we drop from 510+ million to 440+ million still 3 times that of Russia
Without NATO/US wanting to push eastwards, does the EU really need to make an enemy of Russia?
We could have a more neutral or friendly relationship, make sure Russia knows that being aggressive will cost them a lot of blood and money.
2% is already too much. How about scaling back your spending Trump? I guess it's hard to do if you have economic interest in wars.
Most NATO countries, including the USA, already have budget issues. 4% is unneeded and will just lead to further budget issues.
The focus should be kept on the 2% target.
The focus should be kept on the 2% target.
It's clear the US is no longer a reliable ally, he'd sooner form a pact with Russia than honor his NATO obligations. The rest of the world needs to unite and form a new alliance, one without the USA.
When the US is the one selling military weapons, most of the 2% will likely come back to the US....
This feels like extortion....
Donald Trump is nothing but a .000002 bit gangster.
This feels like extortion....
Donald Trump is nothing but a .000002 bit gangster.
It's insanity. This is not normal. I mean not just this new crazy demand. We can only hope to get out of his reign with bumps and bruises because he is trying to wreck the world like he does everything he touches.
Yup, our dummy president.
Also, I'm guessing the 4% figure comes from daddy vlady.
More likely just trying to blow up whole NATO Summit and use it as excuse to push his larger "I want US to leave NATO" agenda.
I've wondered if Trump has really bad eyesight but thinks wearing glasses is weak so doesn't bother and being big baby no contacts either. Kinda works for his fear of stairs since he can't see were he is going.
Excuse my ignorance but who are the two top-right men? For that picture to be perfect, top-right should be a Trump/Vlad supporter the the guy below him should be conflicted.
If the other NATO countries have to spend that much on defence, they will just run their own alliance without the US.
Then you can say goodbye to all those European bases and the power projection that comes with them.
(in all likelihood this is an attempt to poison the well so that the negotiations fail).
Then you can say goodbye to all those European bases and the power projection that comes with them.
(in all likelihood this is an attempt to poison the well so that the negotiations fail).
Well, in Germany's case, they could start by spending some of the money they should be spending on defence by fixing their airforce.
4% is (hopefully) just Trump trying to grab headlines, but he's right to light a fire under members for not meeting their 2% existing obligations. It's not just about buying tanks and guns, the EU heavily relies on the US for high-end surveillance and planning - NATO is in a position where if the US did pull out, it wouldn't be able to function.
Defence spending is a hard sell because ultimately it's pouring money into something that you hope to never have to use, when that money could be going on health/education, etc. The problem is, not spending is rolling a dice and hoping there's peace for all NATO members in 5/10/15 years from now if you wait to spend on defence until you need it, it's too late.
I think at this point, it is painfully obvious that he is somehow under Russian influence. He is actively trying to undermine Western alliances and is actively trying to destabilize the world. I wonder how many intelligence services right now are looking for his dirty little secrets. Dude is fucked when Mueller finishes his investigation.
If Germany somehow manages to spend 2% of the GDP then the german army would instantly be the third largest army in the world.
The world doesn't want Germany to have such a huge army and neither do (we) the germans want to have such a huge army.
We would literally need to coat our army vehicles in Euro bills at this point to meet the 2%
A thing that pisses me off with requirement of military spending is that when the US invests in its military, the money mostly goes back into its economy. But when Canada (and many other countries) do, the money goes...into the US economy (or France's or other big weapon manufacturers). So fuck off with your 4% (or even your 2%).
We could use the military budget to upgrade and build infrastructure in east europe to boost trade, uuhm i mean transport troops faster.
But when you have 28 countries all going after their own interests i dont see this happen.
Yeah this is most likely. Some times my brain just wants to go back to normal presidencies.
It boggles my mind how America to this day still lacks Universal Healthcare.
He's ultimately pushing for spending to be at the required levels, as stated by NATO. His other blabbering is typical him..I hate him..but rules are rules, and if NATO says you have to spend X on defense, then spend X on defense.
NATO needs to fire back that the US needs to take care of its own citizens before it lectures Europe.
1. Let's wait and see in what manner the UK actually leaves
2. No talk about UK leaving NATO
3. We need the US in order to save some money on own defense spending, true. PESCO and other things would still be viable replacements if sole purpose is indeed to only keep Russia from being a serious threat to other EU countries.
4. The US also needs NATO. Most obvious example is drone control and many unsinkable supply ships in Germany which by the way is money saved by the US and spent by Germany.
5. On top of 4. , why on earth should the EU and other non-US NATO countries give US continued support in all other international topics? NATO has most of all helped the US being as influential as it has been ever since after WWII because predecessors of Trump did understand the advantages for being a benevolent (!!!) hegemon.
It's not binding. It's just a stated goal. No one is getting kicked out for not reaching the goal.
It's not even a good goal. It's completely backwards considering greece satisfies the goal but contributes little compared to Canada and Germany.
This guy's goal is to crack NATO apart, not strengthen it. Ridiculous demands he knows will cause rifts. This is pure provokatsiya tactics and we all know who employs those.
People who think he is just an idiot are not seeing the whole picture. He is an idiot puppet with marching orders from a foreign power.
People who think he is just an idiot are not seeing the whole picture. He is an idiot puppet with marching orders from a foreign power.
