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Muffin

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Oct 26, 2017
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BERLIN/INNSBRUCK, Austria (Reuters) - Germany's interior minister deflected blame on Wednesday for the suicide of an Afghan man among a group deported to Kabul, after opponents called for the immigration hardliner to resign for boasting that the deportations took place on his birthday.
The 23-year-old Afghan man was found dead in Kabul shortly after he was flown back. Afghanistan said he had lived in Germany for eight years, having arrived as a teenager.

He was one of 69 people flown by Germany to Afghanistan last week on interior minister Horst Seehofer's 69th birthday, an event which Seehofer had promoted at a news conference as evidence that he was increasing the pace of expulsions.

Seehofer, whose tough stance on immigration nearly brought down Angela Merkel's government last week, defended himself on Wednesday in Innsbruck, Austria at a migration summit with fellow hardline interior ministers from Austria and Italy.


He said local authorities in the city of Hamburg had put the man who killed himself on the deportation list

"The whole procedure is very regrettable," Seehofer said. "But you have to ask the Hamburg authorities why they suggested him." He refused to comment on his "birthday" remark, saying anything he said would be "misused".

Asked about calls for him to resign, he said: "I have nothing to say to that."

Seehofer is the leader of the CSU, a party which occupies the place of Merkel's conservative CDU in Bavaria, Germany's largest state. The two parties have been aligned almost without interruption since World War Two, but nearly fell out last week over Seehofer's tough line on immigration, potentially bringing down the government.

Gyde Jensen, a lawmaker for the pro-business Free Democrats and head of the parliamentary human rights committee, was one of many politicians who demanded Seehofer's dismissal.

"Anyone who celebrates 69 deportations for his 69th birthday is in the wrong job," she said in a statement.
Last year, after a bombing in Kabul killed at least 80 people, Merkel said Germany would deport to Afghanistan only criminals and people it considers a threat. But Germany has since abandoned those restrictions based on a new assessment of security in Afghanistan, the interior ministry said.

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Full disclosure, it's not in this article, but I'm also reading that the refugee was guilty of a few crimes such as theft and battery.

Still no reason to deport somebody who lived here since he was 15 into a dangerous country they probably barely know how to live in anymore such as Afghanistan.
 

Bedameister

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Oct 26, 2017
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Fuck Seehofer and the entire CSU. They're a disgrace and as a bavarian I would like to apologize. Hope to see the day they get stripped off their power.
 
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Muffin

Muffin

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Oct 26, 2017
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Fuck Seehofer and the entire CSU. They're a disgrace and as a bavarian I would like to apologize. Hope to see the day they get stripped off their power.
People seem to get really tired of him, rightfully so. Found out today that there's a petition for his resignation on change.org going that already reached over 50k signatures.
 

Absent

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Oct 26, 2017
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Germany isn't having a good week at all.

- Guardian: German neo-Nazi Beate Zschäpe sentenced to life for NSU murders.
One of the longest and most expensive trials in German postwar history has ended with a life sentence for the sole survivor of a neo-Nazi terrorist cell, but failed to answer questions raised by victims' relatives.

Beate Zschäpe, a former member of the National Socialist Underground (NSU) group, was on Wednesday sentenced to life in prison for the murder of 10 people, two bombings and several crimes of attempted murder and robbery between 2000-2007. Nine of the NSU's 10 murder victims were immigrants.
The two other known members of the NSU, Uwe Böhnhardt and Uwe Mundlos, were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide after a failed bank robbery on 4 November 2011, shedding light on underground terrorist activity that had gone undetected for 13 years. Many experts question how the trio could have gone undetected for so long without a sizeable support network across Germany.
Many observers of the trial voiced surprise at the leniency of the sentences. "If you look at the sentences for Zschäpe's co-conspirators, this is an unbelievably soft verdict," said Dirk Laabs, the co-author of a book about the NSU. "It's hard to image people accused of supplying weapons and logistics for terrorist activity would have got off so lightly if this had been a trial about an Islamist cell."
Police had for years ruled out a racist motives to the killings, assuming they were related to gang warfare among the country's German-Turkish population.

Yet over the course of the trial it emerged the terrorism cell had repeatedly crossed paths with the intelligence service's paid informants within the neo-Nazi scene.
 
Dec 7, 2017
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"The 23-year-old Afghan man was found dead in Kabul shortly after he was flown back. Afghanistan said he had lived in Germany for eight years, having arrived as a teenager."

Got rejected for asylum after one year and did a lot of crime here. His deportation made sense.

Seehofer's birthday speech was highly unprofessional though.
 

sprinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can we please not headline this with "Germany's Seehofer", this makes me really uncomfortable for some reason. I just hope Seehofer is gone soon (what a vile man) and CSU lose in the upcoming State elections in Bavaria.
 

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Frankly, there are stronger politicians with more of a spine that also wouldn't take blame for this because the poor soul indeed was a (minor) criminal and his future was awful even in Germany. Sad as it is.
The truly disgusting stuff was that there is so much focus on this particular round of deportations to Afghanistan because Seehofer quipped that they happened on his birthday, akin to a present which is just Trump-like. And as a cherry on top, he not only didn't take blame for the suicide, he did not in any way apologize for the quip. That's the truly abysmal part of it.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can we please not headline this with "Germany's Seehofer", this makes me really uncomfortable for some reason. I just hope Seehofer is gone soon (what a vile man) and CSU lose in the upcoming State elections in Bavaria.
It's just short for "Germany's interior minister". Headlines always compress stuff for space. And I assume you won't have to read that for much longer anyway, don't see this German government lasting very long, unfortunately.
 
Apr 1, 2018
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Illegals still get money from the state and it's preposterous saying that being illegal makes you do (violent) crime
You're perpetuating that lie that "dose forayners git free shit", and are not heavily traumatised and discriminated en route and upon arrival there. You are justifying murder by proxy by giving them the choice between killing themselves or going back, which is a death sentence.
 

Johnny Blaze

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Oct 29, 2017
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"The whole procedure is very regrettable," Seehofer said. "But you have to ask the Hamburg authorities why they suggested him."

He was one of 69 people flown by Germany to Afghanistan last week on interior minister Horst Seehofer's 69th birthday, an event which Seehofer had promoted at a news conference as evidence that he was increasing the pace of expulsions.
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He's holding the country hostage with his demands, gets some of them, then goes "you'll have to speak to those guys"
 
Dec 7, 2017
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You're perpetuating that lie that "dose forayners git free shit",
That is not a lie because they get state support, what exactly do you know about German social systems?

"and are not heavily traumatised and discriminated en route and upon arrival there."
Know if that is true in this specific case? Then you know more than the media.

"You are justifying murder by proxy by giving them the choice between killing themselves or going back, which is a death sentence."
Afghanistan is marked as a safe country even in Sweden. Or do you think 100% of Afghans die there everyday?
 
Apr 1, 2018
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Yeah man, it's a total paradise after Europe bombed the living fuck out of it. AfD and swedish nationalists are saying that everything's fine over there so why question that!

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Dark_EMT

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Apr 19, 2018
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well of course they would turn to crime because of the denial. what else could they have done when they were a child and made illegal due to the denial.
Work under the table? Do something that doesn't require an immigration status?
That's a poor excuse to validate his crimes.

You don't have to turn to crime for a living.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That is not a lie because they get state support, what exactly do you know about German social systems?

"and are not heavily traumatised and discriminated en route and upon arrival there."
Know if that is true in this specific case? Then you know more than the media.

"You are justifying murder by proxy by giving them the choice between killing themselves or going back, which is a death sentence."
Afghanistan is marked as a safe country even in Sweden. Or do you think 100% of Afghans die there everyday?



Watch this if you think Afghanistan is in any way 'safe'.
 
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Muffin

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Oct 26, 2017
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Then let's get the entire population of those three countries here. This way those countries will improve a lot.
Nobody is arguing that.

Afghanistan is marked as a safe country even in Sweden. Or do you think 100% of Afghans die there everyday?
Literally a tiny bit of research would show you that Afghanistan is not a country we can just deport people to without putting them in danger.