The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)

The Deep End · Jul 11, 2018

Some of you need to be more transparent and just say outspoken feminist women shouldn't be held accountable for their actions regardless if others would face same results.

She was an asshole on twitter and got dealt with. How many countless times since twitter or facebook has blown up resulted in people losing their jobs over shit they say on social media over non job related stuff ?

Also celebrating the death of a man dying of cancer for the last few years ultimately assumes that this "person"
lacks even human decency. Should have been fired then.

Psykodoughboy · Jul 11, 2018

Tb was the cynical brit. I'M pretty sure he would agree that dying doesn't make you immune to criticism.

DerpHause · Jul 11, 2018

Relaxed Muscle said:
That's bullshit.

That's reality. Your desire to not accept it is irrelevant.

Khamsinvera · Jul 11, 2018

Khanimus said:
This comparison doesn't work because Price didn't charge him for anything. She made a big thread about the difficulty of a certain aspect of her position, and some dude, who isn't a professional, tells her how to do her job. She responds rudely, but it's hardly surprising when you have countless people already combarding you with criticism or demands for attention, or this ill-assumed "closeness" that validates an unprompted exchange.

This isn't someone being mad about being overcharged for coffee. This is someone going up and telling the person behind the counter how to make their coffee better. Another in a long daily barrage of comments about your work.

The person I was replying to explicitly said that people should not be offended being called an asshat and that they needed to grow a thicker skin.

newmoneytrash · Jul 11, 2018

Janna OP said:
you wore your uniform, which can be publicly identified and traced back to your company, as a somewhat high level position going into a bar and getting into a public verbal argument with someone else that ends with telling them to fuck off, and you don't get fired? i cant tell if you're delusional or if you're just trying to banbait.

You think that should be a fireable offence?

I can't tell if people in this thread are being genuine or not

Also there's a big difference between having a verbal confrontation like this in public and tweeting hey check out this guy mansplaining my job to me. When you have to delve to these kind of false equivilances to reinforce your point you're probably wrong

Kinthey · Jul 11, 2018

BDS said:
Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.

This thread is really something.

Quad Lasers · Jul 11, 2018

I think my base takeaway from this incident is that writer made a weirdly dickish response to a fairly benign comment from someone who was clearly looking to engage and not necessarily "mansplain".

But that the pushback relative to the comment was way disproportionate and that the moment gamergate chuds decided to inject themselves was the moment the criticism to the writer was poisoned. Unless there was a history of infractions with her, there would have been other, smarter ways they could have reprimanded her.

Firing a fellow employee who defended her is just icing on the shit cake.

Terminus · Jul 11, 2018

Nome said:
The above is the opinion of a friend of mine who was the HR lead of a 1000+ employee organization and is now the CPO of another major company.

But Nome, the video games press and notable twitter personalities say they shouldn't have done it. What am I to believe?!

QuiteSomething · Jul 11, 2018

Once again
She didn't get fired because of the mob or GG or 4chan or Russian hackers
She got fired because of her actions. And she is not even sorry

BeeKaine · Jul 11, 2018

Kinthey said:
This thread is really something.

Me: "This woman was fired because her social media activity broke the standards of the company she worked with!"

BDS:

Deleted member 5596 · Jul 11, 2018

galv said:
On an unrelated subject, how do you feel about people who participated in the KKK rallies holding up Tiki-Torches being fired from their workplaces without even a badge representing their workplaces?

I feel that being part of a hate, xenophobic, fascist group that got a person killed is far worse than calling someone an "asshat" on twitter.

But I certainly have my reservations.

Error 52 · Jul 11, 2018

The Deep End said:
Also celebrating the death of a man dying of cancer for the last few years ultimately assumes that this "person"
lacks even human decency. Should have been fired then.

Woah, woah, woah. Hold the phone here. I was mostly nodding along to your post and then you put person in quotation marks. That is more than a little troubling.

Falcon511 · Jul 11, 2018

galv said:
If you are off-work hours, there is no reason to be civil and professional in a public forum. As everyone knows, your affiliation with your company ends the second you leave the office building, (even if you have a badge with the company name on it, the company name is plastered on the Twitter account and the discussion is about your job and work) and no punishments can be given to people who act unprofessionally outside of work hours. People should be free to call their company's customers asshats in public as soon as their work day ends because it is clearly not representative of the company's stance against their customer.

Thats cute.

I have known people who have gotten fired for some shady shit outside of work. I work at a college and could get fired for calling a student an asshat even during the weekend off hours.

Vela · Jul 11, 2018

PhazonBlonde said:
This thread is really sad.

FyreWulff Just sexism working as intended. We girls have to to be twice as nice and considerate of the feelings of the men here as they're expected to be of us, or else we're "not being civil." I can see why it would be exhausting for some

And if you step out of line with being mean, you deserve to be fired and have a hate mob going after you while onlookers chastise you for using the terrible word 'asshat' against a fellow man

Sabin · Jul 11, 2018

BigJeffery said:
He said in a later post that he's from Germany, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had a more sane track record when it comes to taking away people's livelyhoods for doing dumb but otherwise harmless things.

If he thinks you can't get fired in germany for telling dumb stuff on social media oh boy i have some bad news.

Nairume · Jul 11, 2018

cosmicblizzard said:
They shouldn't. But if they want to appear better than him, they should stay silent when people close to him are still grieving.

It's an astounding leap to say that being moderately unkind about the recently deceased by noting their past actions would make them look as bad as somebody who spent a very significant part of their final years supporting a hate group.

Kinthey · Jul 11, 2018

PhazonBlonde said:
This thread is really sad.

FyreWulff Just sexism working as intended. We girls have to to be twice as nice and considerate of the feelings of the men here as they're expected to be of us, or else we're "not being civil." I can see why it would be exhausting for some

Considering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.

This whole situation would be different if she had dealt with someone who was actually harassing her, she didn't though and so here we are.

nemoral · Jul 11, 2018

Personally, I think devs should just stop talking to gamers. Gamers have shown repeatedly that they can't be civil or reasonable and that the second they get their feelings hurt they start massive campaigns to harass and target people. Very few other mediums put up with allowing their employees to be treated like this routinely. And watching people in here defend this sort of stuff is just depressing, but not unexpected. Gamer entitlement in the guise of consumer rights continues to be one of the worst things that has happened to the industry. No one owes you an explanation. No one owes you a conversation. Buy the game or don't, but the idea that your purchase gives you the right to hound and terrorize developers is one of the most deeply fucked up notions held by a lot of otherwise reasonable people.

Kumquat · Jul 11, 2018

Relaxed Muscle said:
That's bullshit.

You have a choice. You can create a public facing Twitter account for work and keep your private twitter to yourself and not use it for your work. You can also not tee off on a content creator who asked a question and has praised you in the past and praised you in the tweet as well.

Deleted member 1635 · Jul 11, 2018

newmoneytrash said:
You think that should be a fireable offence?

I can't tell if people in this thread are being genuine or not

Also there's a big difference between having a verbal confrontation like this in public and tweeting hey check out this guy mansplaining my job to me. When you have to delve to these kind of false equivilances to reinforce your point you're probably wrong

Of course it can be fireable. Don't wear your uniform or represent your company and tell people to fuck off, especially in relation to someone's opinion about your company's product.

Also, what about the exchange in question made it "mansplaining" in your mind, rather than just objecting and suggesting? Was it merely the gender of the two parties involved?

Deleted member 24907 · Jul 11, 2018

BeeKaine said:
Thank you.

My point being that it is very clearly about one focal point and any stronger question than "should she be fired for being an asshole" is up to speculation, examination of the American workforce, and agendas, but not because it's actually about this.

Case in point, if she wasn't an asshole, none of this would be happening. She'd still have her job, feelings would be spared, sexists would... still be sexists, but that's life.

While Price is responsible for her own actions, ArenaNet are responsible for theirs. Their handling of the situation was outright horrible and the fact that GG shitcocks are rallying around this isn't surprising. Either they knew this and didn't give a shit, or they didn't even think it through. Either way, it's not a good look.

BeeKaine said:
Besides the much moreso desperate, actual GamerGaters? Yes. Yes I do.

The time came out like an explosion and faded just as quickly. Trump got elected, the victims of the movement recovered, everyone moved on, except for the ones who never shut up about it.

I don't know if you're implying that Gators aren't around anymore, but they absolutely are.

The topic of rampant sexism in the industry is very much alive.

I suppose if you really think "GamerGate" is a thing that's not a "thing" anymore, this really just looks like a rude lady on Twitter. I'd point out the fact that this a controversy for a reason.

Heckler456 · Jul 11, 2018

Funyarinpa said:
The biggest reasonable reaction, at MOST, to this should've been people calling for a boycott of ArenaNet or something.

I can see the point of wanting insulting customers to have consequences.

But that consequence shouldn't be getting fired.

I fear for a world in which working for a company means you're eternally bound to be agreeable to people just because they're customers.

People should be free to speak as they wish, which includes their workplace.

A reasonable compromise between this and holding people accountable for their behavior through work would've been calling for a boycott. At most.

People can make impassioned speeches to their defense without calling other people names. She would have been able to defend herself without being absolutely vile towards the person she was responding to for no reason. Why are people so quick to defend what is by all accounts an asshole? It's like some of you people are starting off with the viewpoint "firing her is wrong", and are pulling every straw imaginable to justify this point of view.

ChrisJSY · Jul 11, 2018

Relaxed Muscle said:
That's bullshit.

So you've never had a job that has policies like this? My one has that right now, it's a real thing.
Some of you are so naive when it comes to PR and Public Perception.

newmoneytrash · Jul 11, 2018

Thorn said:
opinions and thoughts violently hurled?

The guy gave some polite criticism/suggestion after a public AMA....

Nobody here is defending the bullshit GG was spewing on twitter, but the initial criticism that kickstarted this mess was anything but "violently hurled."

Yeah, have you never been shouted at through a megaphone against your will? I'm going to assume no considering you think it's the same as looking at a tweet

He did give polite criticism, but it was unasked for criticism that was explaining her job to her from someone with no experience in that field. All she did was dismiss it, and not even *that* rudely. If you read this thread without seeing the tweets you would assume she told this dude to kill himself

Butt-shot Katana · Jul 11, 2018

DerpHause said:
No, we're not saying that at all. We've been saying no response would not have resulted in this outcome for many pages. That wouldn't
"extend or withdraw" anything.

But apparently by isolating to a small subset of arguments then expanding it to a major position you can argue against is par for the course.

The ability for this to happen is part for the course with regard to private property.

That it doesn't always happen is circumstantial. Every day, someone may have the abiltity to murder you without consequence, and they often choose not to.

The point is rather that the ability for this to happen at all shouldn't exist. At the very least, the ability to deprive someone of a secure existence should reside within a much greater community than a group of owners of private property.

This argument is much closer to an argument about whether a slave owner should or should not have beaten or killed a slave. It's on that same moral and structural level.

On a completely disregarded level would be a conversation about whether the master-slave relationship is one that should continue to exist.

I don't see that level of argument about this case. There's room for it, though.

Vela · Jul 11, 2018

Kinthey said:
Considering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.

Your concern trolling is very cute

PhazonBlonde · Jul 11, 2018

BoukObelisk said:
And if you step out of line with being mean, you deserve to be fired and have a hate mob going after you while onlookers chastise you for using the terrible word 'asshat' against a fellow man

The nerve of that woman. Using the word asshat! She totally deserves gator scum going after her and her family.

newmoneytrash · Jul 11, 2018

Zefah said:
Of course it can be fireable. Don't wear your uniform or represent your company and tell people to fuck off, especially in relation to someone's opinion about your company's product.

Also, what about the exchange in question made it "mansplaining" in your mind, rather than just objecting and suggesting? Was it merely the gender of the two parties involved?

She wasn't representing her company, she was just exisiting

The part where an unqualified man told a qualified woman how her job works after she just explained it

That's like the dictionary definition of mansplaining lmao

Gasoline · Jul 11, 2018

Sabin said:
If he thinks you can't get fired in germany for telling dumb stuff on social media oh boy i have some bad news.

There are layers my dude, Heiling on twitter will probably get you fired

"asshat" will not

DerpHause · Jul 11, 2018

BoukObelisk said:
You're not getting it if you think this is about being called a Gamergater. Read fyrewulfs post:

And purely using that reasoning ignores any possible agency on the part of Anet to manage and, if they determine it's needed, terminate its employees.

Saying she was her own undoing isn't ignoring that gamergate was trying t influence the situation, but I'm willing to bet any actual influence is overstated on both the part of this firing as well as the landscape of game devs as a whole and female devs specifically.

Mainly because as everyone notes, this harassment is not even remotely new.

Butt-shot Katana said:
The ability for this to happen is part for the course with regard to private property.

That it doesn't always happen is circumstantial. Every day, someone may have the abiltity to murder you without consequence, and they often choose not to.

The point is rather that the ability for this to happen at all shouldn't exist. At the very least, the ability to deprive someone of a secure existence should reside within a much greater community than a group of owners of private property.

This argument is much closer to an argument about whether a slave owner should or should not have beaten or killed a slave. It's on that same moral and structural level.

On a completely disregarded level would be a conversation about whether the master-slave relationship is one that should continue to exist.

I don't see that level of argument about this case. There's room for it, though.

No, you're conflating at will contracts entered into willingly by both parties albiet with a lopsided power structure to literal slavery in which one side has no option to terminate that contract without consequence or retaliation. Those are not comparable.

I also take issue with the statement that a violation of policy becomes more viable should the ability to terminate become crowdsourced, which would be the real end game here. Ownership doesn't matter as much as the power of immediate supervision.

Khamsinvera · Jul 11, 2018

Relaxed Muscle said:
That's bullshit.

Exhibit A: Trump's twitter account

Can you imagine Trump saying "THAT WAS MY PERSONAL TWITTER ACCOUNT AND NO ONE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH ME ON IT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME BECAUSE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY"

BeeKaine · Jul 11, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
While Price is responsible for her own actions, ArenaNet are responsible for theirs. Their handling of the situation was outright horrible and the fact that GG shitcocks are rallying around this isn't surprising. Either they knew this and didn't give a shit, or they didn't even think it through. Either way, it's not a good look.

I agree, but if it isn't surprising, why is everyone acting like somehow this is going to ruin the lives of countless women and employees.

No, let's think of this: in response to a morally ambiguous, definitely bad-looking PR movie, GG is going to... intentionally antagonize women, as they've always been doing, to justify them being mean to them on the internet? Is this how this works?

I don't know if you're implying that Gators aren't around anymore, but they absolutely are.

Yeah, they're called racists, sexists, bigots, alt-righters, etc.

Fucking bigotry didn't begin in 2015.

I call it an obsession because you like every game-related act of bigotry specifically to this movement.

I suppose if you really think "GamerGate" is a thing that's a "thing" anymore, this really just looks like a rude lady on Twitter.

If it looks like a duck...

I'd point out the fact that this a controversy for a reason.

That's because the first few articles ran with "Brave lady fired for fighting against mansplaining" when that wasn't at all the case.[/QUOTE]

Heckler456 · Jul 11, 2018

PhazonBlonde said:
This thread is really sad.

FyreWulff Just sexism working as intended. We girls have to to be twice as nice and considerate of the feelings of the men here as they're expected to be of us, or else we're "not being civil." I can see why it would be exhausting for some

You know, I agree with you, but I don't think it really applies here. First and foremost, a guy was fired too. But aside from that, there is still a line where women should be held accountable for their actions. And that line was crossed with the behavior exhibited by Jessica in this particular case.

Deleted member 5596 · Jul 11, 2018

Kumquat said:
You have a choice. You can create a public facing Twitter account for work and keep your private twitter to yourself and not use it for your work. You can also not tee off on a content creator who asked a question and has praised you in the past and praised you in the tweet as well.

So the solution is to create a fake twitter profile or have your real name and profile kidnapped by the company you work for? I know that's how it is, but I'm kinda hoping people realizes how bullshit it is and because "it is how it is" makes it totally ok

Jimnymebob · Jul 11, 2018

BoukObelisk said:
And if you step out of line with being mean, you deserve to be fired and have a hate mob going after you while onlookers chastise you for using the terrible word 'asshat' against a fellow man

Deserves to be fired. Definitely doesn't deserve a hate mob.
It's honestly that simple.

PhazonBlonde · Jul 11, 2018

Kinthey said:
Considering that Dreoir was being super polite I'm not sure how it's an insane request to expect similar civility from her.

This whole situation would be different if she had dealt with someone who was actually harassing her, she didn't though and so here we are.

Hey if you'd had things mansplained to you your whole life you'd probably be on edge too. Not saying it was right, but this isn't where the focus should be clearly. I guess it's about ethics in asshats now or something.

SurrenderDorothy · Jul 11, 2018

PhazonBlonde said:
The nerve of that woman. Using the word asshat! She totally deserves gator scum going after her and her family.

Who is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?

This thread..

kyorii · Jul 11, 2018

Nome said:
The above is the opinion of a friend of mine who was the HR lead of a 1000+ employee organization and is now the CPO of another major company.

Chiming in as someone here that also works in Labor Relations and in fact for unions. While this could have been reduced to a final warning or something, based off the facts and merits of the case, it could have gone either way. But ultimately, the employer really did have Just Cause here and I would have declined Hope's case if she tried to appeal.

As someone said, this is the reality of HR/Corporations.

Dynheart · Jul 11, 2018

Right when you think I think I have the world figured out at age 40, all I have to do is come into one of these threads.

Mansplaining. I honestly had no idea what the fuck this was. I asked my wife, and she looked like I was from another planet; so we looked it up (gave her some examples from this thread).

Mansplaining:
(of a man) explain (something) to someone, typically a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.

This is what I get from the dictionary. However, going through this thread, there seems to be hundreds of different meanings that make absolutely no sense. The definition from the dictionary is pretty straight forward, and makes sense. No hidden meanings. No weird context to worry about. Just when a man, addresses/explains in a condescending/patronizing manner to a person/female.

With that said, I did not detect any of those qualities in the streamers tweets. However, people are going to read text and interrupt the message their own way no matter how articulate the person may write, as 2/3 of the way we communicate is missing. Body language/eye contact, and voice. These factors can make an offensive message, innocent, which is why I still prefer to communicate face to face.

Draconis · Jul 11, 2018

ChrisJSY said:
So you've never had a job that has policies like this? My one has that right now, it's a real thing.
Some of you are so naive when it comes to PR and Public Perception.

I'm getting the feeling that a lot of comments trending towards that view that repurcussions should not be faced have not worked in the states or other countries that have policies like this amongst the companies therein.

Either that, or it is possible they work in environments that are not corporate in nature and have little experience with Company Social Media policies.

I mean, those policies exist because companies can get into a crap ton of Legal Trouble just from a single employee flying off the handle in a bad way on social media or even in public. One reason amongst many.

It sucks yes in many ways, but that is our world in the social media environment we are in.

newmoneytrash · Jul 11, 2018

Khamsinvera said:
Exhibit A: Trump's twitter account

Can you imagine Trump saying "THAT WAS MY PERSONAL TWITTER ACCOUNT AND NO ONE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH ME ON IT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME BECAUSE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY"

are you really comparing a game developer to the fucking president?

like what purpose does this post serve

The Deep End · Jul 11, 2018

Error 52 said:
Woah, woah, woah. Hold the phone here. I was mostly nodding along to your post and then you put person in quotation marks. That is more than a little troubling.

I did that because when I read her tweet about Total Biscuit around the time of his death... when many in the industry, twitch and in gaming in general were mourning his passing. She and a few others were relishing the passing of man who has struggled these last few years along. Seeing a close member of my family go through cancer treatment and still struggling makes me think this woman is a not even human for tweeting something like that. Like who does that ?
With this firing she still hasn't apologized to Deroir who did nothing wrong , most likely the same with the TB tweet.

take_marsh · Jul 11, 2018

Super Corpse Soldier said:
If you don't want to respond to a comment... don't respond to a comment?

Sure, you can do that.

Kinthey · Jul 11, 2018

BoukObelisk said:
Your concern trolling is very cute

lol, sure.

AuthenticM · Jul 11, 2018

FyreWulff said:
Price was the target of a misogynistic hate campaign. The @s towards here and other female devs is 99% GamerGaters and about 1% Guild Wars players. This is their standard mode of operation, they suddenly show up no matter the size of the community when they finally corner a target they've been chasing.

Anyone claiming GamerGate has no involvement here is either hopeless naive, or a GamerGater runniing the ol' "wasn't me" script. It'd be great if the administration here didn't allow the second one to be done, but for a forum founded around the concept of believing woman that have been harassed, it sure seems to have turned it's back on them already and now you have to carefully manage what you say along the lines of the ol "Republicans buy shoes too" shlock. Interesting how in women's issues threads, the women here have to fucking do everything themselves with a bunch of men telling them something isn't happening, with no help from the administration, and the result is Era is losing multiple long time women posters every week because they are fucking tired of having to "careful" with their honesty and viewpoints so that it doesn't hurt the feelings of Era's ad clickers.

And save me the ol' "the team here has ____ on it and we care". Words don't mean fuck all. Actions do. It's been tracked for a while now that this forum cares more about throwing out warnings for console wars posts, but does weird shit like only ban misogynistic for 3 days. You can be more transparent without also allowing people to metagame you like Kasparov playing a 5 year old in Tic Tac Toe.

That people even offering the idea that her firing occuring in a vacuum not only receives oxygen here on Era, let alone results in honest call outs of that resulting in decent posters getting warned for it, speaks to how much this forum has failed those it supposedly cared about when founded. I am in the thick of this in twitter right now; male devs going hard against these people do not get a mob on us, even when we're VERY blunt, but female devs that literally just have their company in their bio are getting DMs, mail and email and voice mails sent to their employers at them, hoping to get lucky and another spineless CEO will toss them. Women like Hazel were under the radar, and GamerGate didn't lock onto her until they started keyword searching for tweets supporting Price

So, let's review:

- There is an active, prolonged campaign against women in the games industry.
- This campaign is actively managed and participated in by GamerGate, and can be confirmed by simply searching their subreddit.
- ERA has done a really, REALLY poor job of not giving GamerGate a free megaphone here, proved by facts and community feedback in the relevant community threads, because your "process" is so easily metagamed that I've almost wanted to become a troll account just to prove how broken it is because your moderators hands are so fucking tied not even Houdini could ban an obvious troll account
- Developers are not your property, are not on the clock 24/7, do not owe you a smile, and do not owe you the response you think you deserve
- The things people are claiming these devs on twitter owe them can all be obtained through the company's official support methods, you don't need to go after devs personally
- Critiquing games is okay, constructive critcism is great. Asking for someone to be fired because your feelings got hurt is bullshit, especially when male devs do it all the time and don't get a peep, and a bunch of people actually praise or like smartass male devs (see how many people brag about being blocked by Kamiya) while female devs doing the same are "misrepresenting their company" makes you immediately suspect as to your actual reasons for supporting Price's firing. As it should.

Thanksfully, the industry is about 90% on Price's side on this matter. O'Brian has done more damage to the industry as a whole than the mob could have ever done to his company. It's so fucking ironic that people want devs to be more open and "honest", and when they are, they want them to go back to being PR-laden call center script interactions because some people can't seem to remember that gaming is a hobby, not a goddamn identity and lifestyle.

fantastic post

PhazonBlonde · Jul 11, 2018

SurrenderDorothy said:
Who is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?

This thread..

It's telling where people's focus is at. Like if the first reaction a person has after reading the story is "well it was her fault!" that kinda is sad

Opto · Jul 11, 2018

Women need to thank me for my non-expert opinion on game narratives. Do women even play video games?

Deleted member 4021 · Jul 11, 2018

The Deep End said:
Some of you need to be more transparent and just say outspoken feminist women shouldn't be held accountable for their actions regardless if others would face same results.

She was an asshole on twitter and got dealt with. How many countless times since twitter or facebook has blown up resulted in people losing their jobs over shit they say on social media over non job related stuff ?

Also celebrating the death of a man dying of cancer for the last few years ultimately assumes that this "person"
lacks even human decency. Should have been fired then.

"Person" huh. Might want to be careful, your whistle is becoming fairly audible.

Deleted member 5596 · Jul 11, 2018

Khamsinvera said:
Exhibit A: Trump's twitter account

Can you imagine Trump saying "THAT WAS MY PERSONAL TWITTER ACCOUNT AND NO ONE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH ME ON IT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME BECAUSE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY"

Trump is the GODDAMN president of a country. That's why he can't block people on his account.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ment-free-speech-naomi-buchwald-a8366216.html

The ruling from Judge Naomi Buchwald said that discussions arising from Mr Trump's tweets should be considered a public forum, as the messages are "governmental in nature".

Deleted member 15326 · Jul 11, 2018

I guess people think th only reason she was disciplined was because of gamergate pressure and not because she very publicly insulted a customer

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