He knew exactly what he was doing when he attempted to mansplain her own profession to her. Knowing how she has reacted to shitty entitled men in the past, he knew she would blow up.
DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE GAME.
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The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)
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He knew exactly what he was doing when he attempted to mansplain her own profession to her. Knowing how she has reacted to shitty entitled men in the past, he knew she would blow up.
DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE GAME.
This really is not what I asked you.
I get her response but I'm also not berating her for getting into a twitter squabble so it's not like I have said she's wrong.
You said framing his comments as polite is disingenuous and I really do not get that point. Speaking out of turn doesn't make speech malicious.
honestly i don't mean this as a hot take but it is mind(numbing-ly)blowing how many here can't grasp that behaving the way she did, on a twitter account where she directly communicates with customers (and yes, these are customers) as a representative of her company, stating she works for said company, would be grounds for being fired. i work in a completely different field doing complete different things but even i was given a comprehensive guide during my position orientation about how to behave on social media (and in person) whether i am acting explicitly as a representative of my company at that moment or in passing. if i'm talking to a client who is making suggestions about my work and i call him an asshat, i'm screwed but maybe could squeeze out of it (aka in a dm on twitter). if i end the call and turn around to my twitter, where it states i work for said company, and publicly shame the client and call him an asshat, my ass is for sure canned depending on the client.
Absolutely
No,I said framing them as a polite question is disingenuous. It was politely condscending
Honestly the whole mess is too much to summarize succinctly. You'd probably be better served just going through everything posted here and elsewhere or checking out some YouTube videos explaining the situation.
As for what's happening in this thread, some people have decided to take it upon themselves to decree that anyone who dares suggest that Jessica Price's, and by extension, Peter Fries's firing was anything less than a vile attack upon the very foundations of feminism itself must be a gator in disguise and at some point all traces of civility were thrown out the window, replaced by people trying desperately to one-up each other's hot takes.
Literally any other developer on Twitter would do the same thing she did and would not be reprimanded for it.
If you feel that invested in the justification of telling someone how to do their job on Twitter then idk what to tell you?
Did he suck so bad that it's warranted to be happy about him literally dying of ass cancer? Just... yikes.
But that's not what happened at all.
A respected community leader of an MMO went to a writer that he called the prior day a "god" and offered up some advice.
This is extremely, extremely common and every successful MMO will receive this interactions with welcome.
What ensued afterwards was entirely out of his control, yet the focus is less on whatever opportunistic wave that rode off the firing of Price, but of affirming the man's status as enabling the harassment of female game devs and perpetuating the idea that he's misogynistic.
Try to find a stance that isn't "maybe women should just act how gamergate wants them to so they won't get mad."
The people who bring up Total Biscuit while completely ignoring his role in GG are blatantly transparent.
Anyway, instead of acting like the actions of corporations towards their employees is automatically normal and good, let's consider the consequences of their actions.
Scenario 1(what actually happened): A company instantly fires a woman for being rude online, empowering the hate mob that was after her from the beginning and making all female devs afraid to ever share opinions online.
Scenario 2: They don't fire her, leading to... Women occasionally being rude to men online?
Gee I wonder which scenario is worse.
Anyway, instead of acting like the actions of corporations towards their employees is automatically normal and good, let's consider the consequences of their actions.
Scenario 1(what actually happened): A company instantly fires a woman for being rude online, empowering the hate mob that was after her from the beginning and making all female devs afraid to ever share opinions online.
Scenario 2: They don't fire her, leading to... Women occasionally being rude to men online?
Gee I wonder which scenario is worse.
Lmao do you know ANYTHING about the guy? Theres a twitch vod of him praising Price before this mess.
Guess he was playing the long con.
Man we've got some quality specimens of humanity posting here.
There what is?
I don't think this is the smoking gun you think it is lmao
I don't know many non-misogynists who have to mainsplain a woman's own profession to her. He was 100% a misogynist.
The account who has your real name, data and photo....is yours.
Sure, you're right. That's why I do it here and I don't go to Tabata twitter and tell him he's a hack and that I could do his job much better.
I don't think he's a good director, but in no fucking way I could do a better job
Ever heard of gaslighting? Its a very common tactic with the alt-right. He was probably very aware of it.
That isn't what happened. A generally well respected streamer wanted to have a discussion on twitter. She wasn't happy about it so he bowed out.
Her reaction got picked up by the GW2 community that had a problem with it. It spiraled from there.
Also, if you are easily provoked on twitter or otherwise cannot abstain from exploding at customers in a very public way, how is her firing invalid?
God, the amount of people who think she was fired strictly because of what she said are LUDICROUS. If that was the case the other dude wouldn't have been let go because all he did was stick up for his co-worker. That shit isn't normal. They certainly don't do it and then label them as enemies of the community.
How anyone is not able to see this as a company buckling to pressure from an internet mob is insane to me. FFS they purposefully did all of this within less then 12 hours. No investigation, no attempt to actually look into what's going on. They swept it under the rug as quickly as possible to settle the internet mob because they have no fucking idea what they're doing.
And then they proceeded to vilify the ex-employees to wash their hands of it and justify what they did. Now the mob has the right to do whatever they want. Good job, now anyone else that works there knows their company doesn't have their backs.
How anyone is not able to see this as a company buckling to pressure from an internet mob is insane to me. FFS they purposefully did all of this within less then 12 hours. No investigation, no attempt to actually look into what's going on. They swept it under the rug as quickly as possible to settle the internet mob because they have no fucking idea what they're doing.
And then they proceeded to vilify the ex-employees to wash their hands of it and justify what they did. Now the mob has the right to do whatever they want. Good job, now anyone else that works there knows their company doesn't have their backs.
If that's really how he felt then he could have done a lot more to defuse the situation.
Listen to yourself holy shit. This guy has been RECORDING LIKING THIS LADY AND HER WORK.
Im being trolled aren't I.
Im out.
Is that unique or like a "pay 20 bucks and we have a deal" situation?
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I know exactly what happened. Do you assume i wouldn't because of my gender?
What is disingenuous about it? Unless you are going to harp about it not being a question (obviously he wasn't asking a question, more trying to have a dialogue) I don't get the condescension.
Okay, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I wholeheartedly believe that that sort of thinking is the wrong way to go in terms of equality and acceptance. I think, if you want equality, you have to be willing to assume that not everything is about prejudice/bigotry.
the dude left a wake of hurt and misery across some of the most vulnerable communities in the industry, it's at least warranted to not be celebratory of his legacy and to wish he'd lived to be able to atone for the pain he caused, yeah
Easily provoked? She suffered harassment since she was presented as a new team member....
I take back everything I said, she should have rolled out the red carpet for him. He has an NPC named after him.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:NPCs_named_after_community_members
Here's the list of all of them. I highly doubt ArenaNet put them in for any reason other than their status within the community
I'm not defending him, or his naive statements, just stating facts. He is a well respected community leader who was honored with a role within the game itself.
ArenaNet management handled this situation quite poorly.
In this case, a CEO that is aware of the "political" environment in which this situation occurred as the ArenaNet CEO appears to be should: (a) make a statement similar to the one that was put out to Polygin regarding the expectations of community interaction and that the company will conduct an internal assessment before making a decision, (b) initiate a "cooling off" period to speak with the parties involved in order to make an informed decision that does not have the appearance of giving in to the braying mob, and (c) execute that decision accordingly, including termination if necessary.
All of that could easily be accomplished by the beginning of this week at the latest and would be seen as a circumspect, reasonable course of action that provides enough separation from the immediacy of the inferno.
In this case, a CEO that is aware of the "political" environment in which this situation occurred as the ArenaNet CEO appears to be should: (a) make a statement similar to the one that was put out to Polygin regarding the expectations of community interaction and that the company will conduct an internal assessment before making a decision, (b) initiate a "cooling off" period to speak with the parties involved in order to make an informed decision that does not have the appearance of giving in to the braying mob, and (c) execute that decision accordingly, including termination if necessary.
All of that could easily be accomplished by the beginning of this week at the latest and would be seen as a circumspect, reasonable course of action that provides enough separation from the immediacy of the inferno.
Women are constantly condscended to by men, but consciously and subconsciously. Whether this was gendered or not I won't blame her for interpreting it as such
this is way too edgy and is not the way the real (working) world works. you can't piss on your potential consumer base while representing a company that has both self-preservation and growth as its interests. grown ass adults get treated rudely by customers, coworkers, and bosses all the time and there is an appropriate response to it. calling them an asshat and publicly shaming them is not it. but this guy wasn't even being bluntly rude, and even he was, the onus is on her to react appropriately because she is acting on behalf and in the context of who she works for which is a point many are skating right over.
people here are mixing up the need to respond appropriately because she's a woman (sexism) when in reality and in this context she should have because of her representing her company, thus she didn't and was let go.
If that is as black and white as it is, how does anyone explain reviews or journalist blog pieces that can tear apart devs/games or figureheads for their work or what their output is?
It's a creative industry so there will be criticism and feedback. If it's given in a reasonable way then that is simply part of being in a creative industry.
Yes, and? In this case, it also prominently displays the employer's name and the person's role at that employer and the contents of this "personal Twitter" contain a lot of detail about the person's job.
Is this a real post or a parody? I can't tell anymore.
You don't need to be an asshole to be ignorant. You don't need to be actively toxic to be toxic.
That seems like how its going apparently. Dont know about you guys but every job contract Ive signed has a clause about social media and how you act can impact decisions in regards to your employment. Now these are just jobs in the tech industry with very little social media interaction. Now lets take on the games industry with high social interaction, there would most definitely be a clause in there. She was skating on thin ice before this situation and she escalated something that was nothing with a community member and customer thats a solid basis for a firing in most jobs with any social media interactions. I mean sure some jobs you can get away with defending yourself if the person is harrassing you or just being a dickhead but that wasnt the case here at all.
There was nothing sexist or misogynistic about her firing, its what came after from fuckwits else where that went into those two categories.
I mean, there's plenty of non-misogynists who just so happen to give feedback at some point? I don't exactly see where this happens to particularly transform into mansplaining, or how this 100% makes him a misogynist.
Wait, now you're suggesting that he knowingly was gaslighting people for years in anticipation for this one exchange in which she blew his advice up as misogynistic and would later culminate in her quick firing?
Jesuss Christt
Edgy? It's not edgy to push back against behaviour you don't approve of and no one is obligated to nurture a community that treats them in a way they don't want to be treated
Exactly. You don't have to do something on a conscious level for it to be the wrong way of speaking to someone
